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West Ham agree fee in region of £15m with Liverpool for Andy Carroll


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Why the hell would Carroll agree to being made out to be a dick, if all your conspiracies are right?

 

Why would he be willing to be made the bad guy?

 

Liverpool turned Carrolls head with far more money.

Ashley has made no attempt to match their valuation in terms of contract etc, as he wants the cash

Carroll is put into a position of turning down a massive pay increase

Carroll wants pay increase & is told by Ashley he has to put in a transfer request to achieve move

Andy Carroll does so.

 

Mike Ashley wins, Andy Carroll wins to an extent

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Well that's it then. Would like to know the full tale of how this went down. Got a feeling we didn't get as much money as is report. I'm not buying the Carroll transfer request thing, I would imagine he would be giving up a sizable wedge if that happened. Although it would make sense as the "Loyality" bonus he would have been due, is now saved by NUFC so that means more of the transfer fee in Ashley's pocket.

 

Now we move on, how do we replace him, unfortunately I don't trust Pardew to do the right thing. Crouch will be here for a ridiculously high fee no doubt.

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a) Why would we reject a bid if we wanted to sell.

b) If Andy Carroll didn't want to leave, why would he tow the line and risk his reputation in his hometown  forever by being forced out?

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The other thing to be weighed up is that there are lifestyle issues with Carroll which may block him from fulfilling his full potential. Liverpool are taking a risk because he's not yet a £35 million player.

 

True.

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The fact we've rejected an offer and then accepted after the request suggests to me he wanted to go, absolute knob.

 

We rejected an offer to get a price. It's called negotiating. When we got our price, we were willing to sell him, but Ashley didn't want to alienate the fans, which he would have done for the umpteenth time. So he told Carroll to stick a transfer request in, and now he can say 'look, I rejected a bid and he handed a transfer request in so I just made sure Liverpool paid good money for him'. It's PR, man. You're daft if you think this stuff doesn't happen regularly.

 

Why would Carroll, as a Newcastle fan and a Geordie himself, ever agree to that though?

 

Exactly. I wouldn't, you wouldn't. He wouldn't.

 

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The fact we've rejected an offer and then accepted after the request suggests to me he wanted to go, absolute knob.

 

We rejected an offer to get a price. It's called negotiating. When we got our price, we were willing to sell him, but Ashley didn't want to alienate the fans, which he would have done for the umpteenth time. So he told Carroll to stick a transfer request in, and now he can say 'look, I rejected a bid and he handed a transfer request in so I just made sure Liverpool paid good money for him'. It's PR, man. You're daft if you think this stuff doesn't happen regularly.

 

Why would Carroll, as a Newcastle fan and a Geordie himself, ever agree to that though?

 

£££

 

It doesn't make him a bad person and it doesn't mean he wanted to leave the club. Like I said, when the club tacitly accepted the bid, it was like saying 'we'll be better off without you'. Carroll's obviously not going to cry and say he wants to stay, man. He's a confident, young striker who feels like he's king of the world. He's going to say 'fuck you Ashley, I'm off'. He might not even feel like he's deserting the club, but just saying fuck you to the owners. How can you see things as so black and white? It's not 'player wants to stay, player stays'. Things happen. Money talks.

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The fact we've rejected an offer and then accepted after the request suggests to me he wanted to go, absolute knob.

 

We rejected an offer to get a better price. It's called negotiating. When we got our price, we were willing to sell him, but Ashley didn't want to alienate the fans, which he would have done for the umpteenth time. So he told Carroll to stick a transfer request in, and now he can say 'look, I rejected a bid and he handed a transfer request in so I just made sure Liverpool paid good money for him'. It's PR, man. You're daft if you think this stuff doesn't happen regularly.

 

And you're daft if you think Carroll would roll over and accept it. "Oh yeah, of course I'll make myself look like a dick Mike. See ya."

 

£3.5m lump sum +

Treble his ages +

Massive profile/exposure +

Agent Pressure.

 

= Morals out of the window

 

Of course, he's a greedy fecker. No loyalty.

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