Oakie Doke Posted February 2, 2011 Share Posted February 2, 2011 I have a feeling that this Carroll transfer is going to be a bit like Bellamy's. By that I mean.... we (N-O members) will go on and on about him for years to come! Aye, this one will run and run. Unlike Shola. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
chicago_shearer Posted February 2, 2011 Share Posted February 2, 2011 He's a football player, not some comic book hero. And football players are almost all thick, young and greedy. NUFC were his employer, not his 'family'. A squad shouldn't be held together through fairy dust and local sentiment. The people that run the club have to demonstrate that they are serious about success by keeping the players (and the manager) responsible for making it possible. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thespence Posted February 2, 2011 Share Posted February 2, 2011 Liverpool were not going to let Torres go until they got AC. We let AC go so we could get the cash in. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdckelly Posted February 2, 2011 Share Posted February 2, 2011 Agree with Gemmil. I dont really understand the bitterness towards Carroll really to the extent that some on here have it. Its crap that he agreed to go, but put in his position all footballers would make that choice. Thats the world they live in. As I've said, I don't have a problem with him thinking Liverpool is a good move. But leave it at that, he shouldn't go whinging that he didn't want to go. I'm not in love with the fact that he's whinged on, but he's a 22 year old kid who wants to save face with his mates etc. And I suspect there is some truth to how he claims he was treated. It ended up being a good deal for all parties, but without the club wanting to sell him he would still be here. The bid rejections whilst allowing the player and his agent to talk to Liverpool ffs - only one thing gonna happen there. Pardew does say "Events took over and the size of the fee was a big part of it." The fee was the biggest part for me, they cashed in. there isn't a club owner in the country that wouldn't have taken that mental fee Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thespence Posted February 2, 2011 Share Posted February 2, 2011 He's a football player, not some comic book hero. And football players are almost all thick, young and greedy. NUFC were his employer, not his 'family'. A squad shouldn't be held together through fairy dust and local sentiment. The people that run the club have to demonstrate that they are serious about success by keeping the players (and the manager) responsible for making it possible. Love the American sports phrase "Franchise player" for me Carroll was ours. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Loven11 Posted February 2, 2011 Share Posted February 2, 2011 Liverpool were not going to let Torres go until they got AC. We let AC go so we could get the cash in. It's all the fat bastard is bothered about. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jayson Posted February 2, 2011 Share Posted February 2, 2011 I dont believe he did want to go. He couldnt quite easily turn down such a massive wage increase & the differences in valuation of his worth as a player from both clubs. We made no attempt to keep him and basically told him to leave. He wasnt literally forced out no, but he probably feels like he was forced to change his mind as to whether he wanted to stay here. And Carroll knows we're not paying the sort of wages Liverpool were going to offer him anymore. Liverpool offered big money and the wages he thinks he deserves, we can't afford that anymore unfortunately. One of those things. We dont know that we needed to match their wages to get him considering things. Either way, it was our choice to sell him fullstop. Just dont accept the offer and hes ours, hes not going to cause issues when half the team are his mates & he's playing for his local club. The team spirit was great. Just tell him his contract will be renegotiated in the summer & reject any offers. Simple. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thespence Posted February 2, 2011 Share Posted February 2, 2011 Agree with Gemmil. I dont really understand the bitterness towards Carroll really to the extent that some on here have it. Its crap that he agreed to go, but put in his position all footballers would make that choice. Thats the world they live in. As I've said, I don't have a problem with him thinking Liverpool is a good move. But leave it at that, he shouldn't go whinging that he didn't want to go. I'm not in love with the fact that he's whinged on, but he's a 22 year old kid who wants to save face with his mates etc. And I suspect there is some truth to how he claims he was treated. It ended up being a good deal for all parties, but without the club wanting to sell him he would still be here. The bid rejections whilst allowing the player and his agent to talk to Liverpool ffs - only one thing gonna happen there. Pardew does say "Events took over and the size of the fee was a big part of it." The fee was the biggest part for me, they cashed in. there isn't a club owner in the country that wouldn't have taken that mental fee There is that myth that Ashley rejected the bid iirc. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest BooBoo Posted February 2, 2011 Share Posted February 2, 2011 Liverpool were not going to let Torres go until they got AC. We let AC go so we could get the cash in. Difference really between an ambitious club and an unambitious one. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Gemmill Posted February 2, 2011 Share Posted February 2, 2011 He's a football player, not some comic book hero. And football players are almost all thick, young and greedy. NUFC were his employer, not his 'family'. A squad shouldn't be held together through fairy dust and local sentiment. The people that run the club have to demonstrate that they are serious about success by keeping the players (and the manager) responsible for making it possible. Yup. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crumpy Gunt Posted February 2, 2011 Share Posted February 2, 2011 JUDAS CARROLL Succinct, accurate and straight to the point. (The prematch banner) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Gemmill Posted February 2, 2011 Share Posted February 2, 2011 I'm away. Night night N-O. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted February 2, 2011 Share Posted February 2, 2011 It's too simplistic to talk about him turning his back on the club. It's a short career, and if he's to be believed he's being told he's not wanted by his current employer, and there's a prospective employer prepared to pay £35m for him and almost treble his wage. £14m over 5 years. He knows that contract negotiations at Mike Ashley's Newcastle are going to be few and far between, and that if he scored 25 goals a season for the next 4 year, he'd still not get £80k a week out of Ashley. Which makes his decision a no brainer, once they told him they wouldn't open up negotiations with him. And whether he was told he was not wanted is up for debate, but having seen Lambias's crack in the paper today, it wouldn't surprise me at all. These blokes are despicable c***s and I don't understand how ANY Newcastle fan can give them the time of day. Whilst all that obviously is true, people are still entitled to be upset about the manner/timing of him leaving. And it's far too simplistic to just assume that means support for the board. Laying the blame solely with the player is mental imo. Whether it indicates support for the Board or not. Is there any blame anywhere? We accepted a massive offer for a player we couldn't afford to keep in terms of wage demands, Carroll took a massive contract at a good club. Maybe we could have replaced him but then again it took 6 months to replace Andy Cole leaving us with Paul Kitson under Hall & Keegan, and we took 4 months to replace Woodgate leaving us with O'Brien, Bramble & Ronnie Johnsen under Shepherd & Robson. These things happen in football, and has happened to us under much better chairmen & managers. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frazzle Posted February 2, 2011 Share Posted February 2, 2011 He's a football player, not some comic book hero. And football players are almost all thick, young and greedy. NUFC were his employer, not his 'family'. A squad shouldn't be held together through fairy dust and local sentiment. The people that run the club have to demonstrate that they are serious about success by keeping the players (and the manager) responsible for making it possible. Yup. Exactly and it's not like the club stuck by him with court cases hanging over his head or anything like that. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guinness_fiend Posted February 2, 2011 Share Posted February 2, 2011 The poll on this thread tells a story though. Same old story then... laying any blame on Carroll = support for the owners Laying the blame exclusively on Carroll, as 44% have done, shows an inability to assess the situation at best. Support for the owner at worst. You are an accountant? 44% = exclusive? Interesting thought process. (edit, re-read it, though there is a problem with the question. Personally I lay the blame with Carroll more than the other options having seen Mac, Waddle etc leave. At least they had an excuse. Carroll is a greedy cock. The lad is c***. So is the owner One-up fail. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
chicago_shearer Posted February 2, 2011 Share Posted February 2, 2011 He's a football player, not some comic book hero. And football players are almost all thick, young and greedy. NUFC were his employer, not his 'family'. A squad shouldn't be held together through fairy dust and local sentiment. The people that run the club have to demonstrate that they are serious about success by keeping the players (and the manager) responsible for making it possible. Love the American sports phrase "Franchise player" for me Carroll was ours. The concept of a "franchise" player is also contractual. US sports teams can basically prevent certain important players from being transferred through free agency. It would never be allowed in English football because the UK media have decided that there are 4 or 5 real football clubs and the rest are feeders. Can you imagine if English clubs could actually keep the talent they discover or produce? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guinness_fiend Posted February 2, 2011 Share Posted February 2, 2011 He's a football player, not some comic book hero. And football players are almost all thick, young and greedy. NUFC were his employer, not his 'family'. A squad shouldn't be held together through fairy dust and local sentiment. The people that run the club have to demonstrate that they are serious about success by keeping the players (and the manager) responsible for making it possible. The concept of a "franchise" player is also contractual. US sports teams can basically prevent certain important players from being transferred through free agency. It would never be allowed in English football because the UK media have decided that there are 4 or 5 real football clubs and the rest are feeders. Can you imagine if English clubs could actually keep the talent they discover or produce? Love the American sports phrase "Franchise player" for me Carroll was ours. It's nothing to do with the press. The EU courts would be all over it in seconds. What clubs should do is sue any player that submits a transfer request prior to the expiration of their current contract (and assuming that it is a unilateral request) for breach of contract. That way, even if they do leave (the club mitigating some of its loss by selling the player), it may be awarded additional costs (shirt sales etc). Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
CPL Posted February 2, 2011 Share Posted February 2, 2011 Probably been mentioned already anyone else have the calender and found his pic for February Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Incognito Posted February 2, 2011 Share Posted February 2, 2011 Agree with Gemmil. I dont really understand the bitterness towards Carroll really to the extent that some on here have it. Its crap that he agreed to go, but put in his position all footballers would make that choice. Thats the world they live in. the problem is he cries in the chronicle and to wraith i didn't want to go oh woe is me etc etc when he could have quite easily not gone there is no way he could have been forced out I dont believe he did want to go. He couldnt quite easily turn down such a massive wage increase & the differences in valuation of his worth as a player from both clubs. We made no attempt to keep him and basically told him to leave. He wasnt literally forced out no, but he probably feels like he was forced to change his mind as to whether he wanted to stay here. He was told they'd renegotiate his contract in the summer,which 3 months after signing a new one seems reasonable to me tbh. I'd not even heard that, but assuming it's true, would you believe it? Derek Lambias and Mike Ashley sat grinning at you and telling you "Don't worry Andy, we'll deal with this little matter in the summer." On top of all of their other lies? I'm assuming that there would have had to have been something signed legally to ensure negotiations in the summer would take place. What is unforgivable by Ashley and Llambias is that instead of strengthening an already paper-thin squad,they weakened it.We were patently obvious short of quality up front and he effectively moved 2 strikers on,without replenishing and strengthening further. I hope it doesn't cost us our Premiership place,but adding injury to insult with Shola crocked until the middle of March at least,it easily could. People say that Carroll's sale was planned,I don't buy that.Would he really have let Xisco and Routledge go if that was the case? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mick Posted February 2, 2011 Share Posted February 2, 2011 Probably been mentioned already anyone else have the calender and found his pic for February Its still January in my house. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Geordie Posted February 2, 2011 Share Posted February 2, 2011 Why has he let both of them go, regardless of Carroll being sold? Another unanswered question. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted February 2, 2011 Share Posted February 2, 2011 Made his debut against Pamerlo apparently. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
CPL Posted February 2, 2011 Share Posted February 2, 2011 Made his debut against Pamerlo apparently. When was it out of interest, might be a bit childish and draw on his face Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Posted February 2, 2011 Share Posted February 2, 2011 Would have scored at least two tonight (for them). Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ryan_Taylor Posted February 2, 2011 Share Posted February 2, 2011 Fucking class hole we've dug ourselves into here... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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