Optimistic Nut Posted February 2, 2011 Share Posted February 2, 2011 Tell you one thing, I bet he's impressed at seeing how a proper club is run. Only because they were lucky enough to get new owners. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frazzle Posted February 2, 2011 Share Posted February 2, 2011 Carroll didn't have to go regardless of the owner's stance. I hate Ashley and now I hate Carroll. Hope his career nosedives. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jayson Posted February 2, 2011 Share Posted February 2, 2011 Agree with Gemmil. I dont really understand the bitterness towards Carroll really to the extent that some on here have it. Its crap that he agreed to go, but put in his position all footballers would make that choice. Thats the world they live in. the problem is he cries in the chronicle and to wraith i didn't want to go oh woe is me etc etc when he could have quite easily not gone there is no way he could have been forced out I dont believe he did want to go. He couldnt quite easily turn down such a massive wage increase & the differences in valuation of his worth as a player from both clubs. We made no attempt to keep him and basically told him to leave. He wasnt literally forced out no, but he probably feels like he was forced to change his mind as to whether he wanted to stay here. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Gemmill Posted February 2, 2011 Share Posted February 2, 2011 Agree with Gemmil. I dont really understand the bitterness towards Carroll really to the extent that some on here have it. Its crap that he agreed to go, but put in his position all footballers would make that choice. Thats the world they live in. As I've said, I don't have a problem with him thinking Liverpool is a good move. But leave it at that, he shouldn't go whinging that he didn't want to go. I'm not in love with the fact that he's whinged on, but he's a 22 year old kid who wants to save face with his mates etc. And I suspect there is some truth to how he claims he was treated. It ended up being a good deal for all parties, but without the club wanting to sell him he would still be here. The bid rejections whilst allowing the player and his agent to talk to Liverpool ffs - only one thing gonna happen there. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Gemmill Posted February 2, 2011 Share Posted February 2, 2011 Tell you one thing, I bet he's impressed at seeing how a proper club is run. Probably why he can't wipe the smile off his face. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Optimistic Nut Posted February 2, 2011 Share Posted February 2, 2011 Agree with Gemmil. I dont really understand the bitterness towards Carroll really to the extent that some on here have it. Its crap that he agreed to go, but put in his position all footballers would make that choice. Thats the world they live in. the problem is he cries in the chronicle and to wraith i didn't want to go oh woe is me etc etc when he could have quite easily not gone there is no way he could have been forced out I dont believe he did want to go. He couldnt quite easily turn down such a massive wage increase & the differences in valuation of his worth as a player from both clubs. We made no attempt to keep him and basically told him to leave. He wasnt literally forced out no, but he probably feels like he was forced to change his mind as to whether he wanted to stay here. And Carroll knows we're not paying the sort of wages Liverpool were going to offer him anymore. Liverpool offered big money and the wages he thinks he deserves, we can't afford that anymore unfortunately. One of those things. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Incognito Posted February 2, 2011 Share Posted February 2, 2011 Agree with Gemmil. I dont really understand the bitterness towards Carroll really to the extent that some on here have it. Its crap that he agreed to go, but put in his position all footballers would make that choice. Thats the world they live in. the problem is he cries in the chronicle and to wraith i didn't want to go oh woe is me etc etc when he could have quite easily not gone there is no way he could have been forced out I dont believe he did want to go. He couldnt quite easily turn down such a massive wage increase & the differences in valuation of his worth as a player from both clubs. We made no attempt to keep him and basically told him to leave. He wasnt literally forced out no, but he probably feels like he was forced to change his mind as to whether he wanted to stay here. He was told they'd renegotiate his contract in the summer,which 3 months after signing a new one seems reasonable to me tbh. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
M4 Posted February 2, 2011 Share Posted February 2, 2011 It's too simplistic to talk about him turning his back on the club. It's a short career, and if he's to be believed he's being told he's not wanted by his current employer, and there's a prospective employer prepared to pay £35m for him and almost treble his wage. £14m over 5 years. He knows that contract negotiations at Mike Ashley's Newcastle are going to be few and far between, and that if he scored 25 goals a season for the next 4 year, he'd still not get £80k a week out of Ashley. Which makes his decision a no brainer, once they told him they wouldn't open up negotiations with him. And whether he was told he was not wanted is up for debate, but having seen Lambias's crack in the paper today, it wouldn't surprise me at all. These blokes are despicable cunts and I don't understand how ANY Newcastle fan can give them the time of day. Whilst all that obviously is true, people are still entitled to be upset about the manner/timing of him leaving. And it's far too simplistic to just assume that means support for the board. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thespence Posted February 2, 2011 Share Posted February 2, 2011 Agree with Gemmil. I dont really understand the bitterness towards Carroll really to the extent that some on here have it. Its crap that he agreed to go, but put in his position all footballers would make that choice. Thats the world they live in. the problem is he cries in the chronicle and to wraith i didn't want to go oh woe is me etc etc when he could have quite easily not gone there is no way he could have been forced out I dont believe he did want to go. He couldnt quite easily turn down such a massive wage increase & the differences in valuation of his worth as a player from both clubs. We made no attempt to keep him and basically told him to leave. He wasnt literally forced out no, but he probably feels like he was forced to change his mind as to whether he wanted to stay here. He was told they'd renegotiate his contract in the summer,which 3 months after signing a new one seems reasonable to me tbh. There were stories flying around the club were going to give him a new deal in Jan. Will try & find one. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Gemmill Posted February 2, 2011 Share Posted February 2, 2011 Agree with Gemmil. I dont really understand the bitterness towards Carroll really to the extent that some on here have it. Its crap that he agreed to go, but put in his position all footballers would make that choice. Thats the world they live in. the problem is he cries in the chronicle and to wraith i didn't want to go oh woe is me etc etc when he could have quite easily not gone there is no way he could have been forced out I dont believe he did want to go. He couldnt quite easily turn down such a massive wage increase & the differences in valuation of his worth as a player from both clubs. We made no attempt to keep him and basically told him to leave. He wasnt literally forced out no, but he probably feels like he was forced to change his mind as to whether he wanted to stay here. He was told they'd renegotiate his contract in the summer,which 3 months after signing a new one seems reasonable to me tbh. I'd not even heard that, but assuming it's true, would you believe it? Derek Lambias and Mike Ashley sat grinning at you and telling you "Don't worry Andy, we'll deal with this little matter in the summer." On top of all of their other lies? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dinho lad Posted February 2, 2011 Share Posted February 2, 2011 I have a feeling that this Carroll transfer is going to be a bit like Bellamy's. By that I mean.... we (N-O members) will go on and on about him for years to come! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jayson Posted February 2, 2011 Share Posted February 2, 2011 Agree with Gemmil. I dont really understand the bitterness towards Carroll really to the extent that some on here have it. Its crap that he agreed to go, but put in his position all footballers would make that choice. Thats the world they live in. the problem is he cries in the chronicle and to wraith i didn't want to go oh woe is me etc etc when he could have quite easily not gone there is no way he could have been forced out I dont believe he did want to go. He couldnt quite easily turn down such a massive wage increase & the differences in valuation of his worth as a player from both clubs. We made no attempt to keep him and basically told him to leave. He wasnt literally forced out no, but he probably feels like he was forced to change his mind as to whether he wanted to stay here. He was told they'd renegotiate his contract in the summer,which 3 months after signing a new one seems reasonable to me tbh. Its reasonable yes, but sometimes you have to meet someone in the middle when theyre being slightly unreasonable if theyre of massive worth to you Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Gemmill Posted February 2, 2011 Share Posted February 2, 2011 It's too simplistic to talk about him turning his back on the club. It's a short career, and if he's to be believed he's being told he's not wanted by his current employer, and there's a prospective employer prepared to pay £35m for him and almost treble his wage. £14m over 5 years. He knows that contract negotiations at Mike Ashley's Newcastle are going to be few and far between, and that if he scored 25 goals a season for the next 4 year, he'd still not get £80k a week out of Ashley. Which makes his decision a no brainer, once they told him they wouldn't open up negotiations with him. And whether he was told he was not wanted is up for debate, but having seen Lambias's crack in the paper today, it wouldn't surprise me at all. These blokes are despicable cunts and I don't understand how ANY Newcastle fan can give them the time of day. Whilst all that obviously is true, people are still entitled to be upset about the manner/timing of him leaving. And it's far too simplistic to just assume that means support for the board. Laying the blame solely with the player is mental imo. Whether it indicates support for the Board or not. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BONTEMPI Posted February 2, 2011 Share Posted February 2, 2011 We had all month to bring in players. If we had spent the money and got a quality striker in and a winger I think he would have stayed. Instead we pissed around trying to get cheap fucking deals for very average players. Not surprised he left with the sham that runs the club. Or should that be ruin. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thespence Posted February 2, 2011 Share Posted February 2, 2011 Agree with Gemmil. I dont really understand the bitterness towards Carroll really to the extent that some on here have it. Its crap that he agreed to go, but put in his position all footballers would make that choice. Thats the world they live in. As I've said, I don't have a problem with him thinking Liverpool is a good move. But leave it at that, he shouldn't go whinging that he didn't want to go. I'm not in love with the fact that he's whinged on, but he's a 22 year old kid who wants to save face with his mates etc. And I suspect there is some truth to how he claims he was treated. It ended up being a good deal for all parties, but without the club wanting to sell him he would still be here. The bid rejections whilst allowing the player and his agent to talk to Liverpool ffs - only one thing gonna happen there. Pardew does say "Events took over and the size of the fee was a big part of it." The fee was the biggest part for me, they cashed in. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oakie Doke Posted February 2, 2011 Share Posted February 2, 2011 I have a feeling that this Carroll transfer is going to be a bit like Bellamy's. By that I mean.... we (N-O members) will go on and on about him for years to come! Aye, this one will run and run. Unlike Shola. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
chicago_shearer Posted February 2, 2011 Share Posted February 2, 2011 He's a football player, not some comic book hero. And football players are almost all thick, young and greedy. NUFC were his employer, not his 'family'. A squad shouldn't be held together through fairy dust and local sentiment. The people that run the club have to demonstrate that they are serious about success by keeping the players (and the manager) responsible for making it possible. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thespence Posted February 2, 2011 Share Posted February 2, 2011 Liverpool were not going to let Torres go until they got AC. We let AC go so we could get the cash in. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdckelly Posted February 2, 2011 Share Posted February 2, 2011 Agree with Gemmil. I dont really understand the bitterness towards Carroll really to the extent that some on here have it. Its crap that he agreed to go, but put in his position all footballers would make that choice. Thats the world they live in. As I've said, I don't have a problem with him thinking Liverpool is a good move. But leave it at that, he shouldn't go whinging that he didn't want to go. I'm not in love with the fact that he's whinged on, but he's a 22 year old kid who wants to save face with his mates etc. And I suspect there is some truth to how he claims he was treated. It ended up being a good deal for all parties, but without the club wanting to sell him he would still be here. The bid rejections whilst allowing the player and his agent to talk to Liverpool ffs - only one thing gonna happen there. Pardew does say "Events took over and the size of the fee was a big part of it." The fee was the biggest part for me, they cashed in. there isn't a club owner in the country that wouldn't have taken that mental fee Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thespence Posted February 2, 2011 Share Posted February 2, 2011 He's a football player, not some comic book hero. And football players are almost all thick, young and greedy. NUFC were his employer, not his 'family'. A squad shouldn't be held together through fairy dust and local sentiment. The people that run the club have to demonstrate that they are serious about success by keeping the players (and the manager) responsible for making it possible. Love the American sports phrase "Franchise player" for me Carroll was ours. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Loven11 Posted February 2, 2011 Share Posted February 2, 2011 Liverpool were not going to let Torres go until they got AC. We let AC go so we could get the cash in. It's all the fat bastard is bothered about. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jayson Posted February 2, 2011 Share Posted February 2, 2011 I dont believe he did want to go. He couldnt quite easily turn down such a massive wage increase & the differences in valuation of his worth as a player from both clubs. We made no attempt to keep him and basically told him to leave. He wasnt literally forced out no, but he probably feels like he was forced to change his mind as to whether he wanted to stay here. And Carroll knows we're not paying the sort of wages Liverpool were going to offer him anymore. Liverpool offered big money and the wages he thinks he deserves, we can't afford that anymore unfortunately. One of those things. We dont know that we needed to match their wages to get him considering things. Either way, it was our choice to sell him fullstop. Just dont accept the offer and hes ours, hes not going to cause issues when half the team are his mates & he's playing for his local club. The team spirit was great. Just tell him his contract will be renegotiated in the summer & reject any offers. Simple. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thespence Posted February 2, 2011 Share Posted February 2, 2011 Agree with Gemmil. I dont really understand the bitterness towards Carroll really to the extent that some on here have it. Its crap that he agreed to go, but put in his position all footballers would make that choice. Thats the world they live in. As I've said, I don't have a problem with him thinking Liverpool is a good move. But leave it at that, he shouldn't go whinging that he didn't want to go. I'm not in love with the fact that he's whinged on, but he's a 22 year old kid who wants to save face with his mates etc. And I suspect there is some truth to how he claims he was treated. It ended up being a good deal for all parties, but without the club wanting to sell him he would still be here. The bid rejections whilst allowing the player and his agent to talk to Liverpool ffs - only one thing gonna happen there. Pardew does say "Events took over and the size of the fee was a big part of it." The fee was the biggest part for me, they cashed in. there isn't a club owner in the country that wouldn't have taken that mental fee There is that myth that Ashley rejected the bid iirc. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest BooBoo Posted February 2, 2011 Share Posted February 2, 2011 Liverpool were not going to let Torres go until they got AC. We let AC go so we could get the cash in. Difference really between an ambitious club and an unambitious one. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Gemmill Posted February 2, 2011 Share Posted February 2, 2011 He's a football player, not some comic book hero. And football players are almost all thick, young and greedy. NUFC were his employer, not his 'family'. A squad shouldn't be held together through fairy dust and local sentiment. The people that run the club have to demonstrate that they are serious about success by keeping the players (and the manager) responsible for making it possible. Yup. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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