Guest Roger Kint Posted April 18, 2013 Share Posted April 18, 2013 Swap deals almost never happen anyway, the idea is total bullshit of the worst kind. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cronky Posted April 18, 2013 Share Posted April 18, 2013 If he wasn't from here no one would even mention him. I think that's right. He hasn't suddenly turned into Ibrahimovic, and he's not the only possible target. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRon Posted April 18, 2013 Share Posted April 18, 2013 If he wasn't from here no one would even mention him. He's played some fantastic football for us, I think that's the reason more than his geographic origin. He's been pretty ordinary since he left which we tend to gloss over because of his geographical origin. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tooj Posted April 18, 2013 Share Posted April 18, 2013 If he wasn't from here no one would even mention him. He's played some fantastic football for us, I think that's the reason more than his geographic origin. He's been pretty ordinary since he left which we tend to gloss over because of his geographical origin. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest icemanblue Posted April 18, 2013 Share Posted April 18, 2013 If he wasn't from here no one would even mention him. He's played some fantastic football for us, I think that's the reason more than his geographic origin. He's been pretty ordinary since he left which we tend to gloss over because of his geographical origin. I don't think anyone has actually glossed over this. Most saying they'd have him back, have acknowledged that he's yet to recapture the form he displayed here. However, at the minute, it looks as if he's going some way to doing just that. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tooj Posted April 18, 2013 Share Posted April 18, 2013 Most seem to think that him coming back here would automatically mean he'd regain that form as he'd put that extra effort in. Yet they're completely ignoring his off the field lifestyle and his dedication to being a professional athlete, who should have the motivation of justifying that price-tag as enough for him, yet he's went the complete opposite way. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
colinmk Posted April 18, 2013 Share Posted April 18, 2013 Most seem to think that him coming back here would automatically mean he'd regain that form as he'd put that extra effort in. Yet they're completely ignoring his off the field lifestyle and his dedication to being a professional athlete, who should have the motivation of justifying that price-tag as enough for him, yet he's went the complete opposite way. Exactly how I see it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest icemanblue Posted April 18, 2013 Share Posted April 18, 2013 Most seem to think that him coming back here would automatically mean he'd regain that form as he'd put that extra effort in. Yet they're completely ignoring his off the field lifestyle and his dedication to being a professional athlete, who should have the motivation of justifying that price-tag as enough for him, yet he's went the complete opposite way. I don't think anyone is that naïve, really. Although, for arguments sake, at £7-10m, I'd be more than happy with him in the form he's showing right now. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRon Posted April 18, 2013 Share Posted April 18, 2013 Most seem to think that him coming back here would automatically mean he'd regain that form as he'd put that extra effort in. Yet they're completely ignoring his off the field lifestyle and his dedication to being a professional athlete, who should have the motivation of justifying that price-tag as enough for him, yet he's went the complete opposite way. I don't think anyone is that naïve, really. Although, for arguments sake, at £7-10m, I'd be more than happy with him in the form he's showing right now. Previously when we had Carroll here we tended to look for the long ball as an easy get out and Krul was also blasting the ball 50 yards towards his head. I'm pretty sure that if he comes back that will happen again, and we can forget about any strides we've made towards moving to a passing game. These type of strikers tend to change the way you play. In fact when he moved to Liverpool I predicted that might happen. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Parky Posted April 18, 2013 Share Posted April 18, 2013 Which is one of the main reasons he will be coming back. If Pardew is the long term answer then we might as well give him some Stoke type players, I agree. It's the ideal Pard transfer. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gallowgate Toon Posted April 18, 2013 Share Posted April 18, 2013 8 million is about his true value. I've said since he left that I wouldn't want him back but with our current manager he'd be a useful player. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
wormy Posted April 18, 2013 Share Posted April 18, 2013 Most seem to think that him coming back here would automatically mean he'd regain that form as he'd put that extra effort in. Yet they're completely ignoring his off the field lifestyle and his dedication to being a professional athlete, who should have the motivation of justifying that price-tag as enough for him, yet he's went the complete opposite way. I don't think anyone is that naïve, really. Although, for arguments sake, at £7-10m, I'd be more than happy with him in the form he's showing right now. Previously when we had Carroll here we tended to look for the long ball as an easy get out and Krul was also blasting the ball 50 yards towards his head. I'm pretty sure that if he comes back that will happen again, and we can forget about any strides we've made towards moving to a passing game. These type of strikers tend to change the way you play. In fact when he moved to Liverpool I predicted that might happen. Because those strides towards the expansive pass and move style have been so overwhelming. I'm unfortunately tipping towards the idea that if we're so resigned to keeping Pardew, we might as well get the sort of players in to make his disgusting attempt at football viable. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRon Posted April 18, 2013 Share Posted April 18, 2013 Most seem to think that him coming back here would automatically mean he'd regain that form as he'd put that extra effort in. Yet they're completely ignoring his off the field lifestyle and his dedication to being a professional athlete, who should have the motivation of justifying that price-tag as enough for him, yet he's went the complete opposite way. I don't think anyone is that naïve, really. Although, for arguments sake, at £7-10m, I'd be more than happy with him in the form he's showing right now. Previously when we had Carroll here we tended to look for the long ball as an easy get out and Krul was also blasting the ball 50 yards towards his head. I'm pretty sure that if he comes back that will happen again, and we can forget about any strides we've made towards moving to a passing game. These type of strikers tend to change the way you play. In fact when he moved to Liverpool I predicted that might happen. Because those strides towards the expansive pass and move style have been so overwhelming. I'm unfortunately tipping towards the idea that if we're so resigned to keeping Pardew, we might as well get the sort of players in to make his disgusting attempt at football viable. We had a spell at the end of last season where Pardew stumbled upon a 4-3-3 formation where we really looked like a team that could go places with some slick passing football. I would rather we get a manager who can tap into those resources which are here in spades. It will be the difference between challenging for Europe and becoming a mid table side again. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ronaldo Posted April 18, 2013 Share Posted April 18, 2013 Why must we always arrive at extremes? Can't we just admit we need a lot more physical presence in the side without mentioning Stoke? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
wormy Posted April 18, 2013 Share Posted April 18, 2013 Most seem to think that him coming back here would automatically mean he'd regain that form as he'd put that extra effort in. Yet they're completely ignoring his off the field lifestyle and his dedication to being a professional athlete, who should have the motivation of justifying that price-tag as enough for him, yet he's went the complete opposite way. I don't think anyone is that naïve, really. Although, for arguments sake, at £7-10m, I'd be more than happy with him in the form he's showing right now. Previously when we had Carroll here we tended to look for the long ball as an easy get out and Krul was also blasting the ball 50 yards towards his head. I'm pretty sure that if he comes back that will happen again, and we can forget about any strides we've made towards moving to a passing game. These type of strikers tend to change the way you play. In fact when he moved to Liverpool I predicted that might happen. Because those strides towards the expansive pass and move style have been so overwhelming. I'm unfortunately tipping towards the idea that if we're so resigned to keeping Pardew, we might as well get the sort of players in to make his disgusting attempt at football viable. We had a spell at the end of last season where Pardew stumbled upon a 4-3-3 formation where we really looked like a team that could go places with some slick passing football. I would rather we get a manager who can tap into those resources which are here in spades. It will be the difference between challenging for Europe and becoming a mid table side again. Don't get me wrong, if it was down to us then I'm in full agreement. Shift Pardew on and get a manager in that can utilise the technical players we have at our disposal. However, Pardew is going nowhere. And you said it yourself, he stumbled upon that 433. It's plain to see he's not going to use it unless he's in absolute dire straits and there's no other option. So we might as well get a few players in that will actually make his style of 'football' look slightly effective. It's not that I'm actively advocating resigning Carroll. It's more resignation and trying to find a silver lining to it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ryan_Taylor Posted April 18, 2013 Share Posted April 18, 2013 Why must we always arrive at extremes? Can't we just admit we need a lot more physical presence in the side without mentioning Stoke? Because then we wouldn't qualify for sponsorship from Bipolar Awareness? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRon Posted April 18, 2013 Share Posted April 18, 2013 Most seem to think that him coming back here would automatically mean he'd regain that form as he'd put that extra effort in. Yet they're completely ignoring his off the field lifestyle and his dedication to being a professional athlete, who should have the motivation of justifying that price-tag as enough for him, yet he's went the complete opposite way. I don't think anyone is that naïve, really. Although, for arguments sake, at £7-10m, I'd be more than happy with him in the form he's showing right now. Previously when we had Carroll here we tended to look for the long ball as an easy get out and Krul was also blasting the ball 50 yards towards his head. I'm pretty sure that if he comes back that will happen again, and we can forget about any strides we've made towards moving to a passing game. These type of strikers tend to change the way you play. In fact when he moved to Liverpool I predicted that might happen. I'm re-posting that for the benefit of Ronaldo in answer to the question about Stoke and the need for physical presence. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barnes23 Posted April 18, 2013 Share Posted April 18, 2013 I reckon Carroll coming back could well signal a statement of faith in Pardew by the board and a return to 4-4-2.I'm surprised by the turnaround in opinion about having him back. Might make the tactics we currently employ temporarily more effective, but it will only serve to stunt the progress of the team long-term. If Carroll is the answer, you're asking the wrong question. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlanSkÃrare Posted April 18, 2013 Share Posted April 18, 2013 If he wasn't from here no one would even mention him. He's played some fantastic football for us, I think that's the reason more than his geographic origin. He's been pretty ordinary since he left which we tend to gloss over because of his geographical origin. I don't think anyone has actually glossed over this. Most saying they'd have him back, have acknowledged that he's yet to recapture the form he displayed here. However, at the minute, it looks as if he's going some way to doing just that. It might be an illusion and foregone conclusion that some cling onto, yes. Another take on it would be this: we're the only set of fans who's truly seen what Andy Carroll on form is capable of, game in and game out. In 2010, he was a monster from that game at WBA until we sold him. Of course his performances since have casted doubts over what his actual ability and contribution is, but we know there's a player in there that most fans haven't seen. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ronaldo Posted April 18, 2013 Share Posted April 18, 2013 Most seem to think that him coming back here would automatically mean he'd regain that form as he'd put that extra effort in. Yet they're completely ignoring his off the field lifestyle and his dedication to being a professional athlete, who should have the motivation of justifying that price-tag as enough for him, yet he's went the complete opposite way. I don't think anyone is that naïve, really. Although, for arguments sake, at £7-10m, I'd be more than happy with him in the form he's showing right now. Previously when we had Carroll here we tended to look for the long ball as an easy get out and Krul was also blasting the ball 50 yards towards his head. I'm pretty sure that if he comes back that will happen again, and we can forget about any strides we've made towards moving to a passing game. These type of strikers tend to change the way you play. In fact when he moved to Liverpool I predicted that might happen. I'm re-posting that for the benefit of Ronaldo in answer to the question about Stoke and the need for physical presence. Cheers, very insightful. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Incognito Posted April 18, 2013 Share Posted April 18, 2013 He is a good link man and something we havent got now, which is an out ball. Hatem and his ilk would receive the ball further up the pitch with Carroll, and surely that benefits us. Id take him in a heartbeat.10-12 million, no danger. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
timnufc22 Posted April 18, 2013 Share Posted April 18, 2013 How many times does Hatem skin his man and stand the ball up to the back post with his right foot? Carroll will just peel off and dominate defences. Wing backs with Carroll and Cisse up front with Hatem in behind is the future. This for me, Haidara & Debuchy down the wings, Sissoko & Cabaye in the middle with Ben Arfa a little further ahead benhind Carroll & Cisse. It would play to the strengths of most the players and there' be a brilliant balance to the side. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tooj Posted April 18, 2013 Share Posted April 18, 2013 You expect our manager who struggles to get basic levels of performance from his team to all of a sudden turn into a great and pragmatic manager to make that work? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ryan_Taylor Posted April 18, 2013 Share Posted April 18, 2013 You expect our manager who struggles to get basic levels of performance from his team to all of a sudden turn into a great and pragmatic manager to make that work? Not this manager Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
themanupstairs Posted April 18, 2013 Share Posted April 18, 2013 How many times does Hatem skin his man and stand the ball up to the back post with his right foot? Carroll will just peel off and dominate defences. Wing backs with Carroll and Cisse up front with Hatem in behind is the future. This for me, Haidara & Debuchy down the wings, Sissoko & Cabaye in the middle with Ben Arfa a little further ahead benhind Carroll & Cisse. It would play to the strengths of most the players and there' be a brilliant balance to the side. That's mouthwatering to be honest. But the CB's need to be bloody good, as they will not have too much protection. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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