Guest neesy111 Posted February 1, 2011 Share Posted February 1, 2011 Any chance that Carroll's head has been turned at all during his short time with the England squad ? Would not surprise me, considering the conversations will be all about who has the flashiest car etc. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
J7 Posted February 1, 2011 Share Posted February 1, 2011 The fact is though with the amount of money we draw in from TV and Gate receipts we should be able to compete for europe eventually. I've said this, Liverpool are not much better off than us in terms of 1st team squad. Granted they have a better strike force now, their defence is woeful and think we have the better midfield when ben arfa is back. They'll still be lucky to qualify for EL this season. Thats what gets me. Its all about mentality. I agree with Merlin, and Alex Ferguson who has said similar (Newcastle always sell their best players), but I don't see why it needs to be the case. We were on par with Liverpool in 2004 with pretty similar resources. They went forward, we went back. All about decisions made at the top. So frustrating. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
indi Posted February 1, 2011 Share Posted February 1, 2011 Got a feeling VI has spent his night filling in several Spanish forums in as to who Andy Carroll is. Surely they should already know the name of the global mega-star who commanded the 8th highest fee of all time! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest firetotheworks Posted February 1, 2011 Share Posted February 1, 2011 I think everyone's aware that we're just one of the dozens of clubs who mostly populate the lower ranks of the Premiership, occasionally piece together a jammy European run, and provide talent for the 5~6 teams at the top. No need to over-dramatize it, that's just what most Premiership clubs are right now. We shouldn't be, that's the point. Our ambition should match our size, income and fanbase. We're a team that should always be aiming to be the very best that it can be. We're no different to any other team, except that our income, fanbase and size should put us near the top 1/3rd of the league. Obviously it's not an ideal world, and Abramovich has changed all of that, but we should be looking to be a progressive, aspiring and ambitious club. Anyone getting their hands on us would have an absolute goldmine of potential success, adulation, undying loyalty, income and undoubted fun. We get called deluded, but f*** it, I've lived elsewhere, in this country and abroad, and I have never come across anywhere remotely like Newcastle when it comes to just how much football means to a city and it's people. Don't tell me not to over-dramatise it, we're Newcastle United, not f***ing Blackburn Rovers. Thanks. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
madras Posted February 1, 2011 Share Posted February 1, 2011 The fact is though with the amount of money we draw in from TV and Gate receipts we should be able to compete for europe eventually. I've said this, Liverpool are not much better off than us in terms of 1st team squad. Granted they have a better strike force now, their defence is woeful and think we have the better midfield when ben arfa is back. They'll still be lucky to qualify for EL this season. unless ashley wants to take some monies back out. if not then this summer, if we survive in the prem, and the carroll monies on top ought to see us spending. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AyeDubbleYoo Posted February 1, 2011 Share Posted February 1, 2011 The fact is though with the amount of money we draw in from TV and Gate receipts we should be able to compete for europe eventually. I've said this, Liverpool are not much better off than us in terms of 1st team squad. Granted they have a better strike force now, their defence is woeful and think we have the better midfield when ben arfa is back. They'll still be lucky to qualify for EL this season. Thats what gets me. Its all about mentality. I agree with Merlin, and Alex Ferguson who has said similar (Newcastle always sell their best players), but I don't see why it needs to be the case. We were on par with Liverpool in 2004 with pretty similar resources. They went forward, we went back. All about decisions made at the top. So frustrating. We nearly spent our way to the title a couple of times, it's just that it turned out not to be sustainable and Shepherd bailed out and left us with Ashley. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vinny Green Balls Posted February 1, 2011 Share Posted February 1, 2011 or continuing our homeless policy of sifting through the garbage for players. It won't work forever. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRon Posted February 1, 2011 Share Posted February 1, 2011 I think this situation is worse though, because we thought Carroll understood how important NUFC was to the fans and he loved the club himself. Yep, he was supposed to get it. To understand what it meant to wear the number nine. Shearer was his hero! He doesn't have a fraction of the loyalty Al had. Piss off man. Shearer milked us far worse and was a busted flush who didn't have any other interested suitors after he came here. He was Kevin Nolan playing up front by the time he got here. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AyeDubbleYoo Posted February 1, 2011 Share Posted February 1, 2011 or continuing our homeless policy of sifting through the garbage for players. It won't work forever. Neither would the previous policy of spraying money about on overpriced and declining wasters TBF. There has to be a happy medium somewhere! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldtype Posted February 1, 2011 Share Posted February 1, 2011 I think everyone's aware that we're just one of the dozens of clubs who mostly populate the lower ranks of the Premiership, occasionally piece together a jammy European run, and provide talent for the 5~6 teams at the top. No need to over-dramatize it, that's just what most Premiership clubs are right now. We shouldn't be, that's the point. Our ambition should match our size, income and fanbase. We're a team that should always be aiming to be the very best that it can be. We're no different to any other team, except that our income, fanbase and size should put us near the top 1/3rd of the league. Obviously it's not an ideal world, and Abramovich has changed all of that, but we should be looking to be a progressive, aspiring and ambitious club. Anyone getting their hands on us would have an absolute goldmine of potential success, adulation, undying loyalty, income and undoubted fun. We get called deluded, but f*** it, I've lived elsewhere, in this country and abroad, and I have never come across anywhere remotely like Newcastle when it comes to just how much football means to a city and it's people. Don't tell me not to over-dramatise it, we're Newcastle United, we're not f***ing Blackburn. Thanks. It's not really about the first team squad or gate receipts anymore. It's all about brand value. You need to be one of those clubs where the media and just the general footballing culture will hype you up as one of the "big boys." No matter what our relative league positions are, Liverpool FC will always be a more attractive proposition than NUFC assuming that we are in the same division. Like I said, brand value. There is a cultural glass ceiling at the top of the Premiership that is far more resilient than any gap in financial capabilities. Due to the fact that we acted like fucking idiots precisely at the moment when it was being defined, we're firmly on the wrong side of it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vinny Green Balls Posted February 1, 2011 Share Posted February 1, 2011 agrred but that happy medium will not be found with Ashley at the reins. It's Shephard from bizarro world. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greg Posted February 1, 2011 Share Posted February 1, 2011 I think this situation is worse though, because we thought Carroll understood how important NUFC was to the fans and he loved the club himself. Yep, he was supposed to get it. To understand what it meant to wear the number nine. Shearer was his hero! He doesn't have a fraction of the loyalty Al had. Piss off man. Shearer milked us far worse and was a busted flush who didn't have any other interested suitors after he came here. He was Kevin Nolan playing up front by the time he got here. Fuck off Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AyeDubbleYoo Posted February 1, 2011 Share Posted February 1, 2011 Man City have just busted that glass ceiling, haven't they? From also-rans to title contenders in one season. It's just that it can't be done by a club spending within its normal limits anymore. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
LiquidAK Posted February 1, 2011 Share Posted February 1, 2011 I think this situation is worse though, because we thought Carroll understood how important NUFC was to the fans and he loved the club himself. Yep, he was supposed to get it. To understand what it meant to wear the number nine. Shearer was his hero! He doesn't have a fraction of the loyalty Al had. Piss off man. Shearer milked us far worse and was a busted flush who didn't have any other interested suitors after he came here. He was Kevin Nolan playing up front by the time he got here. Aye, this is the time to be having a go at Shearer. Fuck off yourself. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest neesy111 Posted February 1, 2011 Share Posted February 1, 2011 The fact is though with the amount of money we draw in from TV and Gate receipts we should be able to compete for europe eventually. I've said this, Liverpool are not much better off than us in terms of 1st team squad. Granted they have a better strike force now, their defence is woeful and think we have the better midfield when ben arfa is back. They'll still be lucky to qualify for EL this season. unless ashley wants to take some monies back out. if not then this summer, if we survive in the prem, and the carroll monies on top ought to see us spending. It was reported we would be spending decent amounts if we stayed up. Hopefully we do get the £35M. I will say Ashley hasn't taken a penny out of this club despite what people will say. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Loven11 Posted February 1, 2011 Share Posted February 1, 2011 ANDY CARROLL completed an astonishing £35million move to Liverpool yesterday but claimed he had been forced out of Newcastle. Striker Carroll, 22, told close friends he did not want to leave Newcastle and texts seen by the Daily Express confirm that. In one, sent to Steve Wraith, editor of a Toon fanzine, Carroll says: “They have kind of said we don’t want u but want me to say I wanna go. And I said I don’t wanna go.” Asked what was going on, Carroll replied: “I don’t know mate. Gutted tho. They said they wanted the money. Gutted to be leaving my home club but I was practically told to go. Don’t want to leave. That’s why I signed five-year deal.” Carroll makes it clear that the motivation for the move was based around the Magpies board, who wanted to cash in on his blistering early-season form and felt £35m was too good an offer to decline. Carroll made his late-night switch to Liverpool for a record fee for a British player as manager Kenny Dalglish quickly spent some of the £50m he received for Fernando Torres’s move to Chelsea. When Carroll signed an extended deal in November he said: “That’s it, 100 per cent. I’ve just signed a five-year contract and as it stands I want to be here forever. This is my home, what I want to be doing, the club I want to play for, the shirt I want to wear.” Newcastle said Carroll left of his own accord, having handed in a transfer request and had moved for vastly increased wages. Read more: http://www.express.co.uk/posts/view/226490/Andy-Carroll-I-was-forced-out-of-Toon/Andy-Carroll-I-was-forced-out-of-Toon#ixzz1CfELg9Gj Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heron Posted February 1, 2011 Share Posted February 1, 2011 206...enough said. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
M4 Posted February 1, 2011 Share Posted February 1, 2011 Like I said, brand value. There is a cultural glass ceiling at the top of the Premiership that is far more resilient than any gap in financial capabilities. Due to the fact that we acted like fucking idiots precisely at the moment when it was being defined, we're firmly on the wrong side of it. That's a great way of phrasing it! We would need some sort of perfect storm of luck, money and more luck to get on the other side. Just need to see how hard Man City and Spurs are trying still without having got there. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AyeDubbleYoo Posted February 1, 2011 Share Posted February 1, 2011 Pardew certainly seemed confident in the radio interview that there would be quite a bit of dealing in the summer. Obviously you don't have to believe him, but I'll at least be hopeful we'll make a couple of decent signings. We might not get the full £35m for players, but a good slice of it would be nice. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
JH Posted February 1, 2011 Share Posted February 1, 2011 ANDY CARROLL completed an astonishing £35million move to Liverpool yesterday but claimed he had been forced out of Newcastle. Striker Carroll, 22, told close friends he did not want to leave Newcastle and texts seen by the Daily Express confirm that. In one, sent to Steve Wraith, editor of a Toon fanzine, Carroll says: “They have kind of said we don’t want u but want me to say I wanna go. And I said I don’t wanna go.” Asked what was going on, Carroll replied: “I don’t know mate. Gutted tho. They said they wanted the money. Gutted to be leaving my home club but I was practically told to go. Don’t want to leave. That’s why I signed five-year deal.” Carroll makes it clear that the motivation for the move was based around the Magpies board, who wanted to cash in on his blistering early-season form and felt £35m was too good an offer to decline. Carroll made his late-night switch to Liverpool for a record fee for a British player as manager Kenny Dalglish quickly spent some of the £50m he received for Fernando Torres’s move to Chelsea. When Carroll signed an extended deal in November he said: “That’s it, 100 per cent. I’ve just signed a five-year contract and as it stands I want to be here forever. This is my home, what I want to be doing, the club I want to play for, the shirt I want to wear.” Newcastle said Carroll left of his own accord, having handed in a transfer request and had moved for vastly increased wages. Read more: http://www.express.co.uk/posts/view/226490/Andy-Carroll-I-was-forced-out-of-Toon/Andy-Carroll-I-was-forced-out-of-Toon#ixzz1CfELg9Gj Sounds like he's trying to deflect some of the blame. Knows the fans hate Ashley and know the club won't respond. Easy target. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ronaldo Posted February 1, 2011 Share Posted February 1, 2011 Pardew certainly seemed confident in the radio interview that there would be quite a bit of dealing in the summer. Obviously you don't have to believe him, but I'll at least be hopeful we'll make a couple of decent signings. We might not get the full £35m for players, but a good slice of it would be nice. We should f***ing get all of it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AyeDubbleYoo Posted February 1, 2011 Share Posted February 1, 2011 ANDY CARROLL completed an astonishing £35million move to Liverpool yesterday but claimed he had been forced out of Newcastle. Striker Carroll, 22, told close friends he did not want to leave Newcastle and texts seen by the Daily Express confirm that. In one, sent to Steve Wraith, editor of a Toon fanzine, Carroll says: “They have kind of said we don’t want u but want me to say I wanna go. And I said I don’t wanna go.” Asked what was going on, Carroll replied: “I don’t know mate. Gutted tho. They said they wanted the money. Gutted to be leaving my home club but I was practically told to go. Don’t want to leave. That’s why I signed five-year deal.” Carroll makes it clear that the motivation for the move was based around the Magpies board, who wanted to cash in on his blistering early-season form and felt £35m was too good an offer to decline. Carroll made his late-night switch to Liverpool for a record fee for a British player as manager Kenny Dalglish quickly spent some of the £50m he received for Fernando Torres’s move to Chelsea. When Carroll signed an extended deal in November he said: “That’s it, 100 per cent. I’ve just signed a five-year contract and as it stands I want to be here forever. This is my home, what I want to be doing, the club I want to play for, the shirt I want to wear.” Newcastle said Carroll left of his own accord, having handed in a transfer request and had moved for vastly increased wages. Read more: http://www.express.co.uk/posts/view/226490/Andy-Carroll-I-was-forced-out-of-Toon/Andy-Carroll-I-was-forced-out-of-Toon#ixzz1CfELg9Gj Still doesn't make any sense that he handed in a transfer request. He could have been the heroic martyr if he's not done that. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldtype Posted February 1, 2011 Share Posted February 1, 2011 Man City have just busted that glass ceiling, haven't they? From also-rans to title contenders in one season. It's just that it can't be done by a club spending within its normal limits anymore. They are literally spending infinite money and in a way, they're still not there. They won't win the title this season, and I bet most players STILL wouldn't choose them over Liverpool. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest neesy111 Posted February 1, 2011 Share Posted February 1, 2011 Tbf, most people didn't expect us sign Ben Arfa permanently and we did. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
madras Posted February 1, 2011 Share Posted February 1, 2011 206...enough said. eh ? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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