Fenham Mag Posted July 15, 2012 Share Posted July 15, 2012 I think we'd look the laughing stock rather than them. Letting him come crawling back after he p*ssed off there because we weren't good enough for him? f*** right off. Didn't see everybody laughing at Spurs when they took Robbie Keane back. No one really cares tbh. Good example. That one worked out well No it didn't but my point is this 'oh we will be a laughing stock' , who outside Newcastle actually cares if we take Carroll back on a loan. I repeat, a loan. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Minhosa Posted July 15, 2012 Share Posted July 15, 2012 As a side note I'd be interested to know what Carr thought of Carroll as a player, you'd like to think we don't make offers without his input at this stage. Obertan says hello. His name crossed my mind as I was typing for some reason. What do you say that though, is the view that Carr wasn't involved in his signing or are you saying that he doesn't get it right all the time? The Carrminator never gets it wrong. That was Pards. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
cubaricho Posted July 15, 2012 Share Posted July 15, 2012 As a side note I'd be interested to know what Carr thought of Carroll as a player, you'd like to think we don't make offers without his input at this stage. To me this reeks of no one being involved other than the man at the top, unfortunately. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pilko Posted July 15, 2012 Share Posted July 15, 2012 Really hope this is the last we hear of this. No doubt there'll be loads around deadline day though. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sifu Posted July 15, 2012 Share Posted July 15, 2012 I think we'd look the laughing stock rather than them. Letting him come crawling back after he p*ssed off there because we weren't good enough for him? f*** right off. Didn't see everybody laughing at Spurs when they took Robbie Keane back. No one really cares tbh. Good example. That one worked out well No it didn't but my point is this 'oh we will be a laughing stock' , who outside Newcastle actually cares if we take Carroll back on a loan. I repeat, a loan. The media would go on a frenzy. They're expecting us to do something daft because we're "Mike Ashley's Newcastle United". Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Posted July 15, 2012 Share Posted July 15, 2012 Star reckons West Ham have bid £15m for him. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jagten Posted July 15, 2012 Share Posted July 15, 2012 Obviously seems that De Jong was first choice but we were priced out. Carroll represents a player who would be keen and there's a motivated seller presided over by a jumped up manager with ideas way above his station. Plus he's a very decent striker, a throwback maybe but still talented. What he showed in his time with us, he's not lost just because the Liverpool move didn't work out. Put him back in a black and white shirt and you'll see a better player. I like Ba a lot but if we're honest his loss of form last season was covered up by Cisse's amazing form and to a lesser extent Ben Arfa's. As an individual Cisse was superb, but his partnership with Ba didn't really work for Ba. I can really only think of WBA away where Ba and Cisse looked like they were on a wavelength. No, he's not 'very decent'. We would be required to revert back to a system of old to accommodate him, which would be awful viewing. I don't get this idea that if he puts on a black and white shirt everything will magically be OK again. That's rubbish, it doesn't work like that. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Interpolic Posted July 15, 2012 Share Posted July 15, 2012 Star reckons West Ham have bid £15m for him. Wouldn't completely shock me like, if they think he can play a big part in keeping them up then it's not too bad a deal for them. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SEMTEX Posted July 15, 2012 Share Posted July 15, 2012 The notion of being a laughing stock is always a bag of shite from where I'm sitting. Clubs make poor decisions all the time, yet I can't think of anyone who I really think of as a "laughing stock", with exception to filthy Sunlun, but that's something that anyone outside the area probably doesn't see anyway. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
timnufc22 Posted July 15, 2012 Share Posted July 15, 2012 I didn't vote, dunno what my opinion on this is really. Can easily see both sides of the argument. I went with a 'No'. I just can't see him fitting in a system I'd want to watch every week. And that's taking into account all of the 4-4-2/4-3-3 arguments let alone the value argument where I think he's a massive investment and for the wrong reasons. We'd be taking him as an opportunist buy/loan and not because he's what we need. At least with the De Jong bid you knew we'd scouted the hell out of him and had a plan for his inclusion within the side. Carroll seems to be me to be fitting a square peg in a round hole just because he's in the bargain bin (relatively speaking, of course). I know where your coming from but I think he could fit in. Like people have said, his touch was very good for us, he is a strong runner, and he was everywhere for us at his best - popping up out wide and dropping deep sometimes. As long as his fitness was 100% (which I think we'd make sure of) and he was focused, I would have him in the first 11, on the left side, inter-changing with Cisse. Another reason why is that it looks like Ba does not want to be part of a front 3, which is a tad annoying. Whether Pardew would do it Im not sure, and I know we will be playing different formations with a lot of games etc, but thats what I would do with everyone fit starting the season. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Petay Posted July 15, 2012 Share Posted July 15, 2012 How has Rogers been given the Liverpool job? Was at no point of the interview process the question posed of what he would do with the most expensive British footballer ever. Did he in all honesty say 'Well I'll probably publicly say I don't want him, so we'll end up selling him for a massive loss and if we're lucky we won't have to subsidise his wages at his new club for a couple of years.'. Imagine if this were the real world and you were interviewing a possible new CEO and he suggested pulling down your new factory as he didn't like selling the product it made. This situation is as mad as that. Breathtaking incompetence from all involved at Liverpool and I'm loving it, the arrogant wankers with their victim complex and sense of entitlement. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Interpolic Posted July 15, 2012 Share Posted July 15, 2012 This long ball stuff. It's just like when Spurs used to play long ball whenever Crouch was in the side. It's a myth man. The points about 4-3-3 vs 4-4-2 are of course more valid but I'm with those that are saying there will potentially be a hell of a lot of games next season. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
gbandit Posted July 15, 2012 Share Posted July 15, 2012 Loved Carroll when he was here, was gutted when he left. Would be pretty gutted if he came back. I still think he's a very good player but I just can't see where he'd fit in apart from being a back up and he'd not be up for that. Also, there's so much more value in going for A: none PL B: not English Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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cp40 Posted July 15, 2012 Share Posted July 15, 2012 Loved Carroll when he was here, was gutted when he left. Would be pretty gutted if he came back. I still think he's a very good player but I just can't see where he'd fit in apart from being a back up and he'd not be up for that. Also, there's so much more value in going for A: none PL B: not English why you always gutted? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest BooBoo Posted July 15, 2012 Share Posted July 15, 2012 Obviously seems that De Jong was first choice but we were priced out. Carroll represents a player who would be keen and there's a motivated seller presided over by a jumped up manager with ideas way above his station. Plus he's a very decent striker, a throwback maybe but still talented. What he showed in his time with us, he's not lost just because the Liverpool move didn't work out. Put him back in a black and white shirt and you'll see a better player. I like Ba a lot but if we're honest his loss of form last season was covered up by Cisse's amazing form and to a lesser extent Ben Arfa's. As an individual Cisse was superb, but his partnership with Ba didn't really work for Ba. I can really only think of WBA away where Ba and Cisse looked like they were on a wavelength. No, he's not 'very decent'. We would be required to revert back to a system of old to accommodate him, which would be awful viewing. I don't get this idea that if he puts on a black and white shirt everything will magically be OK again. That's rubbish, it doesn't work like that. I take it from Feb-December 2010, you missed our games? Carroll played very well for that period, scored a lot of goals and we certainly didn't play "hoofball" or whatever ridiculous labels get bandied about. Our second half of the Championship and start of 10/11 we actually played some good football. Having Carroll back would not mean a convert to Wimbledon esque football. It's the laziest assumption. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest BooBoo Posted July 15, 2012 Share Posted July 15, 2012 This long ball stuff. It's just like when Spurs used to play long ball whenever Crouch was in the side. It's a myth man. The points about 4-3-3 vs 4-4-2 are of course more valid but I'm with those that are saying there will potentially be a hell of a lot of games next season. Yep, well said. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ponsaelius Posted July 15, 2012 Share Posted July 15, 2012 Btw I question clumping his Championship form with the Prem form. I thought he was still pretty shit even when he was scoring in the Chump, but he was a different animal first 6 months in the Prem in terms of allround game. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tooj Posted July 15, 2012 Share Posted July 15, 2012 Footballs a fickle old game. If Carroll came back, he'd be loved again. Before we signed him, Shearer got dogs abuse when we played Blackburn at SJP. Once a player is in the shirt, the past is by and large irrelevant. He fucking deserved it as well for the way he celebrated that goal when he came off the bench. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlueStar Posted July 15, 2012 Share Posted July 15, 2012 Still can't believe we sold him for twice what we bought Owen for Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
gbandit Posted July 15, 2012 Share Posted July 15, 2012 Loved Carroll when he was here, was gutted when he left. Would be pretty gutted if he came back. I still think he's a very good player but I just can't see where he'd fit in apart from being a back up and he'd not be up for that. Also, there's so much more value in going for A: none PL B: not English Went for gutted for continuity's sake. Disappointed's a better shout if he does return. why you always gutted? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
cp40 Posted July 15, 2012 Share Posted July 15, 2012 Btw I question clumping his Championship form with the Prem form. I thought he was still pretty shit even when he was scoring in the Chump, but he was a different animal first 6 months in the Prem in terms of allround game. we get the picture you dont like him btw. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest BooBoo Posted July 15, 2012 Share Posted July 15, 2012 Btw I question clumping his Championship form with the Prem form. I thought he was still pretty shit even when he was scoring in the Chump, but he was a different animal first 6 months in the Prem in terms of allround game. I think that's harsh. From the West Brom cup game in the Championship season onwards (late January?) he played very well scoring a wide range of goals. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdckelly Posted July 15, 2012 Share Posted July 15, 2012 Star reckons West Ham have bid £15m for him. not the first time the porn barons have shouted how they were going to go for this and that high profile player while there was season tickets to sell and then magically fail miserably or not even bother. They won't pay £15m. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
cp40 Posted July 15, 2012 Share Posted July 15, 2012 Loved Carroll when he was here, was gutted when he left. Would be pretty gutted if he came back. I still think he's a very good player but I just can't see where he'd fit in apart from being a back up and he'd not be up for that. Also, there's so much more value in going for A: none PL B: not English Went for gutted for continuity's sake. Disappointed's a better shout if he does return. why you always gutted? i would have thought, i was gutted he left,id be happy when he returns makes more sense tho. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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