Dinho lad Posted February 5, 2009 Share Posted February 5, 2009 will man city be challenging for trophies in the future? very likely. will given be on the bench when said challenges are happening? very likely. Doubt it - brilliant keeper, amongst the best in the world so why would city bench him? he's very replaceable. the richest club in the world will think nothing of benching a £6 million player if a better alternative comes along (and yes, there are better keepers around if you have the money). In terms of keeper they have a class one - I cant see them targetting the Buffons, Cassilas etc Its the outfield players that they will target to make themselves a top team they got robinho and were scarily close to getting kaka so i dont doubt that they'll go for a bigger name than given sooner rather than later. Err...I doubt they were planning to buy Kaka to replace Robinho. what? you're saying city will still look to replace given with someone better based on them going for Kaka? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dinho lad Posted February 5, 2009 Share Posted February 5, 2009 Given is getting more stick than bloody Charles N'Zogbia..... what a joke! No he's not. if you say so. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest justin99. Posted February 5, 2009 Share Posted February 5, 2009 well there will certainly be some interesting autobiographies when the current crop of players bring them out. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nobody Posted February 5, 2009 Share Posted February 5, 2009 Given is getting more stick than bloody Charles N'Zogbia..... what a joke! No he's not. if you say so. The reason why this is at the top of the page and not the Insomnia thread is because there is only so many times we can say that he's a French whinging little cunt. With Given, there's an actual discussion going on, and most are saying that they are disappointed that he's gone, and especially the timing that he's gone. If we'd set up a poll, "Who deserves a career ending injury the most, Given or Insomnia?", the French prick would win hands down. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slugsy Posted February 5, 2009 Share Posted February 5, 2009 I don't blame him at all - its easy for people to say he should have stayed till the summer - he had an offer now, who knows what would have happened by the summer - could have been injured, City could have looked at Buffon etc - thus circumstances could have been very different and he needs to do what is right for him - bloody hell, he's given us 12 years of great service, he doesn't owe us a thing - its not his fault the hierarchy continue to screw things up. To be fair, he had every right to go a long time ago, the number of false promises and new dawns at this club over the last 12 years, it is admirable a player of his quality stuck it out. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest The Libertine Posted February 5, 2009 Share Posted February 5, 2009 will man city be challenging for trophies in the future? very likely. will given be on the bench when said challenges are happening? very likely. Doubt it - brilliant keeper, amongst the best in the world so why would city bench him? he's very replaceable. the richest club in the world will think nothing of benching a £6 million player if a better alternative comes along (and yes, there are better keepers around if you have the money). In terms of keeper they have a class one - I cant see them targetting the Buffons, Cassilas etc Its the outfield players that they will target to make themselves a top team they got robinho and were scarily close to getting kaka so i dont doubt that they'll go for a bigger name than given sooner rather than later. Err...I doubt they were planning to buy Kaka to replace Robinho. what? you're saying city will still look to replace given with someone better based on them going for Kaka? kaka was a very ambitious move and it very nearly paid off so i imagine they'll take heart from that and go for players of a similar standing, or as high a standing as they can get, in each position over time. a £6 million keeper is replaceable if you can afford to buy a £20+ million keeper. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
maze Posted February 5, 2009 Share Posted February 5, 2009 You know, I stick by him. It's shocking how some of has made him the 'bad guy'. I really appreciate his honesty and loyalty. In fact, I believe his latest statement about Kinnear and the current regime to be true. Wish him the best of luck at City. Although I'm a bit unsure whether he joined them for Silverware or the money. Either way, just hopes it works out for him. What a guy! So many years of loyalty and caring for the club! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Stephen927 Posted February 5, 2009 Share Posted February 5, 2009 The biggest shame is that this club is no longer competing at the level needed to keep or attract players like Given to the club. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slugsy Posted February 5, 2009 Share Posted February 5, 2009 The biggest shame is that this club is no longer competing at the level needed to keep or attract players like Given to the club. Indeed Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest justin99. Posted February 5, 2009 Share Posted February 5, 2009 You know, I stick by him. It's shocking how some of has made him the 'bad guy'. I really appreciate his honesty and loyalty. In fact, I believe his latest statement about Kinnear and the current regime to be true. Wish him the best of luck at City. Although I'm a bit unsure whether he joined them for Silverware or the money. Either way, just hopes it works out for him. What a guy! So many years of loyalty and caring for the club! I think he would have gone to just about any club that made an offer for him. plus it's hard to find a club less ambitious than newcastle Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
colinmk Posted February 5, 2009 Share Posted February 5, 2009 You know, I stick by him. It's shocking how some of has made him the 'bad guy'. I really appreciate his honesty and loyalty. In fact, I believe his latest statement about Kinnear and the current regime to be true. Wish him the best of luck at City. Although I'm a bit unsure whether he joined them for Silverware or the money. Either way, just hopes it works out for him. What a guy! So many years of loyalty and caring for the club! Yep, I agree. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
pedro111 Posted February 5, 2009 Share Posted February 5, 2009 Just heard his interview with Talksport where he basically said: -Wants to seperate the fans from the club. The fans have always been great to him and he'll be forever thankfull. -Disgusted at the way the club handled the transfer -Newcastle 'quadroupled' what they paid for him in the first place. Which sounds great until you realise we paid 1.5m. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dinho lad Posted February 5, 2009 Share Posted February 5, 2009 The reason why this is at the top of the page and not the Insomnia thread is because there is only so many times we can say that he's a French whinging little cunt. With Given, there's an actual discussion going on, and most are saying that they are disappointed that he's gone, and especially the timing that he's gone. N'Zogbia went for the same reason as Given....because we're crap and unambitious. N'zogbia made a big fuss out of it and refused to play. Given made it clear he wanted to leave (well before the deadline) and just get on with his football. If we'd set up a poll, "Who deserves a career ending injury the most, Given or Insomnia?", the French prick would win hands down. It wouldn't prove anything. It would only indicates that Shay Given was by far the more popular player here. Nothing we disagree about. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Quichà Posted February 5, 2009 Share Posted February 5, 2009 The biggest shame is that this club is no longer competing at the level needed to keep or attract players like Given to the club. I couldnt agree more with this. It shows how low we have sunk. Its also gutting to watch the video of Given how the regime couldnt really give a fuck about keeping one of our best players and just cashed in. I dont blame him one bit for leaving good on him he deserves better than the current shite we are. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
dustynrg Posted February 5, 2009 Share Posted February 5, 2009 Anyone seen the thread on the Man City forum site where someone knew back in November that Shay was going to Man City? He had been approached and was very interested then according to them. That was weeks before the Liverpool game. As for this being "loyal" business, I'd be "loyal" for 11 years if someone paid me £40k a week (or whatever it was) and no "big" club came in for me until Man City offered him twice the wages. The way people go on you'd think he'd been rewarded nowt for his services over the years. Now he''s moaning because he had to put in a transfer request? Sorry but I feel more sorry for the fans who are losing their jobs every day of the week and have to feed a family on not very much. Sympathy for football players should be reserved for us long suffering fans. Aye he's done a good job, aye he's fed up with the present regime, but now he's at another club he should just get on with it and leave us behind. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest neesy111 Posted February 5, 2009 Share Posted February 5, 2009 Anyone seen the thread on the Man City forum site where someone knew back in November that Shay was going to Man City? He had been approached and was very interested then according to them. That was weeks before the Liverpool game. As for this being "loyal" business, I'd be "loyal" for 11 years if someone paid me £40k a week (or whatever it was) and no "big" club came in for me until Man City offered him twice the wages. The way people go on you'd think he'd been rewarded nowt for his services over the years. Now he''s moaning because he had to put in a transfer request? Sorry but I feel more sorry for the fans who are losing their jobs every day of the week and have to feed a family on not very much. Sympathy for football players should be reserved for us long suffering fans. Aye he's done a good job, aye he's fed up with the present regime, but now he's at another club he should just get on with it and leave us behind. this sum's my feeling's towards shay he's left, let's get on supporting steve harper who imo is just as good as shay in many area's and better in some Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Teasy Posted February 5, 2009 Share Posted February 5, 2009 Why is he disgusted like? What terrible thing did they do to him during the transfer? I haven't seen the interview yet, he's not having a go at us for trying to get as much as we can for him is he?? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Willow Posted February 5, 2009 Share Posted February 5, 2009 http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/teams/m/man_city/7872358.stm Anyone seen this yet? Given talking about us a little. Jesus thats depressing. We're fucked if we don't get out of trouble this season, truly and utterly fucked. I'm not gonna whinge on about our regime, but its sad that we've come to this. Lately I've been avoiding the forum as its not exactly a chirpy place with morons in charge making mistake after mistake every single fucking day... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Heneage Posted February 5, 2009 Share Posted February 5, 2009 How do we know Given isn't just using the situation as a crutch. He doesn't just want to say "The money was better and it was a change" Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Syrette Posted February 5, 2009 Share Posted February 5, 2009 How do we know Given isn't just using the situation as a crutch. He doesn't just want to say "The money was better and it was a change" I don't think it is money, he wants to be at a club that has a better chance of winning a trophy than Newcastle. Said it in that video interview. No real reason to doubt him tbf. Yeah, and fair play to him for that. They won't win anything this season though. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Heneage Posted February 5, 2009 Share Posted February 5, 2009 How do we know Given isn't just using the situation as a crutch. He doesn't just want to say "The money was better and it was a change" I don't think it is money, he wants to be at a club that has a better chance of winning a trophy than Newcastle. Said it in that video interview. No real reason to doubt him tbf. Ah but if you think all be it from a cynical point of view, if he blames Ashley and Co he has that perfect get out, the fans will love him more as he's having a go at public enemy number 1. I'm not saying that either side is right, or that Given is lying, but I would not be surprised if he just went for the money and the change. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
dustynrg Posted February 5, 2009 Share Posted February 5, 2009 How do we know Given isn't just using the situation as a crutch. He doesn't just want to say "The money was better and it was a change" I don't think it is money, he wants to be at a club that has a better chance of winning a trophy than Newcastle. Said it in that video interview. No real reason to doubt him tbf. Ah but if you think all be it from a cynical point of view, if he blames Ashley and Co he has that perfect get out, the fans will love him more as he's having a go at public enemy number 1. I'm not saying that either side is right, or that Given is lying, but I would not be surprised if he just went for the money and the change. He's human, if anyone offers you twice the salary you're getting (as they have - allegedly) you'd jump ship from anywhere, well I would, I don't know anyone who wouldn't (Shearer?). But you're not going to say - bye I'm off for more money. He and his agent or lawyer or whoever it is have played a very good game, but Shay do us a favour and stop bleating about having to put in a transfer request. The whole thing with him and N'Zogbia shows to me how out of touch footballers are with the fans, moaning about having to put in a transfer request when a lot of people are worried about having a job, and the other one moaning about mispronouncing his name when most fans would give their eye teeth to be playing professional football at all. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Heneage Posted February 5, 2009 Share Posted February 5, 2009 How do we know Given isn't just using the situation as a crutch. He doesn't just want to say "The money was better and it was a change" I don't think it is money, he wants to be at a club that has a better chance of winning a trophy than Newcastle. Said it in that video interview. No real reason to doubt him tbf. Ah but if you think all be it from a cynical point of view, if he blames Ashley and Co he has that perfect get out, the fans will love him more as he's having a go at public enemy number 1. I'm not saying that either side is right, or that Given is lying, but I would not be surprised if he just went for the money and the change. He's human, if anyone offers you twice the salary you're getting (as they have - allegedly) you'd jump ship from anywhere, well I would, I don't know anyone who wouldn't (Shearer?). But you're not going to say - bye I'm off for more money. He and his agent or lawyer or whoever it is have played a very good game, but Shay do us a favour and stop bleating about having to put in a transfer request. The whole thing with him and N'Zogbia shows to me how out of touch footballers are with the fans, moaning about having to put in a transfer request when a lot of people are worried about having a job, and the other one moaning about mispronouncing his name when most fans would give their eye teeth to be playing professional football at all. I'm not critiquing him going, but don't spunk in my eye and tell me its snowing. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ronaldo Posted February 5, 2009 Share Posted February 5, 2009 This is the first season in which from the word go, a top 5 finish has been out of the question, completely unattainable tbh. I have a feeling Given might have left even if Keegan was still here. Of course Kinnear's 'management' has probably been not so much the last straw as the last tonne of straw Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tsunami Posted February 5, 2009 Share Posted February 5, 2009 Seems to me that Given is simply saying what most suspect; the club is a fucking mess. There is no good reason to doubt what he has said, I have no doubt that he'd have stayed if we were looking to move forward. From what he says there is no communication from the owner to the players or via the manager, they do not know where any of them stand or what the plans for the team are. The manager clearly does not command respect and the will to succeed is not there within the team. We can see that through performances. When a top pro like Given comes out so bitterly at the way he feels he has been treated by the owner/ club we are in a bigger mess than we perhaps first thought; and I thought we were a fucking mess anyway. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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