GM Posted January 16, 2009 Share Posted January 16, 2009 If Newcastle is annexed by Scotland, things will improve. Bollocks. We'd be shit in the SPL as well. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Exiled in Texas Posted January 16, 2009 Share Posted January 16, 2009 There are too many unrealistic expectations from the Fanbase for the club to proceed. It seems that it's Top-6 or bust on here, with no middle ground. And yet the middle ground is where we desperately need to be in the next year or two. From our current league position and with our current worldwide reputation as a club in turmoil, what we really need is some stability, and some sign of progress - a slow and steady improvement over the next couple of years to undo our last few years of decline/stagnation. What we should be aiming for is a mid-table finish, with some general improvments in the playing staff. Nothing too dramatic, but progess in the right direction.And in this I mean, some good players, but not necessarily great players. We need to stop crashing back/forth between top-6 and relegation (even if only in the fans expectations). The fixing of NUFC is now a marathon, not a sprint and it won't be acheived overnight. There is no instant fix, or magic bullet. If it takes a couple of years under JFK to get us into Mid-table, and improve the overall quality and number of the playing staff, then so-be it. The problem is (in my mind) that we keep throwing out the bath-water and re-starting, and wonder why we never get anywhere. Let's be honest.....if NUFC had signed Palacios last year for 700K, N-O would have been on fire for lack of ambition.....player not good enough etc etc. The un glamourous clubs (with limited expectations) accept that they won't be signing top-drawer players, so they have to trawl through some trash to find some gems, and they accept that they won't be signing big names. Toon fans don't seem ready to accept that we need to go down the lesser know player route AND that it has as probably more misses as hits. We need to stop worrying about final piece of the jigsaw puzzle, and start working on getting the edges and corners (no pun intended) in place. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Posted January 16, 2009 Share Posted January 16, 2009 Just like everyone hates Gutierrez and Bassong. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest sicko2ndbest Posted January 16, 2009 Share Posted January 16, 2009 Ashley is driving the expectations down. I think he is quite happy to lose 10,000 fans as that will be his excuse for not investing heavily Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
GM Posted January 16, 2009 Share Posted January 16, 2009 Exiled in Texas - I think you'll find that all clubs have "unrealistic" fans. We're not unique in that respect at all. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robster Posted January 16, 2009 Share Posted January 16, 2009 You think there wouldn't be mongs asking for Keane at Man Utd if Ferguson were to retire? You can't just "erase" the influence of a legend ffs. It happens at any club. Shearer's "shadow" is just another one of a long line of excuses that have been used at this club for far too long. I thought it was only the media that perpetuate this "Toon fans wants Shearer as manager" myth. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike Posted January 16, 2009 Share Posted January 16, 2009 If Newcastle is annexed by Scotland, things will improve. Bollocks. We'd be shit in the SPL as well. Shit in the SPL is 3rd. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
GM Posted January 16, 2009 Share Posted January 16, 2009 If Newcastle is annexed by Scotland, things will improve. Bollocks. We'd be shit in the SPL as well. Shit in the SPL is 3rd. Wrong. 2nd is shit in the SPL. And by my reckoning on current form we'd struggle to be in the top half. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
merlin Posted January 17, 2009 Share Posted January 17, 2009 Owen to go, Shearer obsession to end, decent foreign manager, new way of thinking. So people are still blaming all of this s*** on Shearer? Jesus christ, nobody even mentions him anymore. Man United still sing songs about Roy Keane. Is it killing their club? Get a grip! Are Roy Keane or Cantona or Solksjaer ever mentioned in line with the man united job when fergie hints at retirement? Are they f***. Shearer is, and its f***ing embarrasing. Until he has a little stint here, and fails, we can never truely be rid of it. So we've got Kinnear because people are worried that fans want Shearer? Absolute rubbish. Wtf, how does what i said amount to that? Shearer was a player for us, and great one. AMEN, let's put him to bed. Small time mentality. Well the main problem we're facing is nobody wants to manage the club. You've hinted that it's because of the shadow of Shearer (if that's not what you mean, what the hell do you mean?) No, i haven't. Never mentioned it infact. Not from the other managers angle either. He's not THAT influential anymore. However, it's embarassing that when the position for manager has come up, you get the feeling they seriously want him, Keegan practically begged him to come at some level. It's pathetic, he's an ex-player, let's leave it at that. TO move on, we need to get rid of that mentality, imo. Nobody knows for certain how successful Shearer would be as a manager, but if his attitude to the game and personal drive is any guide, then the chances are he would do a decent job at the very least - do you think that Kinnear is any better ?? There was a certain Centre Forward who was also a hero at both his last clubs and was a native of one of them...unfortunately, he had to give up the game at 29 at go into management at a lower Div side where he became a great success... Neither of his two previous clubs asked him to return as manager despite both being in a mess, and he went, instead, to Derby.... Do you suppose that either Middlesbrough(where he was born and scored hundreds of goals)or Sunderland(where he was worshipped and loved the club), ever have thoughts on what might have been had one Brian Clough ever become their manager...!? And do you wonder whether NUFC would still be regarded at the NE's supposed No 1 club had Clough ever gone to the Mackems....!!?? Perhaps you ought to give it some thought...... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Decky Posted January 17, 2009 Share Posted January 17, 2009 More protests maybe? Would seem to be the only way to get the message to Ashley and might be the only way for the fans to get Kinnear out. I know protests are a last resort as it isnt attractive for anyone, but what else can the fans do at this point? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldtype Posted January 17, 2009 Share Posted January 17, 2009 I'm fully in support for any protests now. Not during the matches but more akin to the "sack the board" "taxi for roeder" stuff we got going in late 2006-2007. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Exiled in Texas Posted January 17, 2009 Share Posted January 17, 2009 Exiled in Texas - I think you'll find that all clubs have "unrealistic" fans. We're not unique in that respect at all. We just seem to have more of them......and the Knee Jerk is in full effect. If we are going to have some change, then it needs to come from the inside as progress... and not from the outside as change. For example, if you're going to change managers, get the new guy lined up and agreed and then move out JFK - that's a progressive move. Don't fire the guy without a replacement lined up - or that's just more turmoil. Oh well. Here's hoping that the protests don't do too much more damage. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doug Posted January 17, 2009 Share Posted January 17, 2009 We have a big squad if you count the reserves and youth players. We are struggling because we dont play the best available 11 on the day. We start players who have no movement due to age, fitness or general lack of guile. Why? Why play Butt in the engine room of midfield if he cannot stand the pace. Surely Lua Lua a lad with skill and pace should be given a go. Stick butt at full back where he doesnt have to run all over the pitch if we must as edgar patently is ok for heading the ball away or contesting a 50 - 50 but is not a footballer when given possesion. Some of the older high earning has beens should be eased out now and give the youngsters with the high energy levels a go if they can run in posession of the ball. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
GM Posted January 17, 2009 Share Posted January 17, 2009 Exiled in Texas - I think you'll find that all clubs have "unrealistic" fans. We're not unique in that respect at all. We just seem to have more of them......and the Knee Jerk is in full effect. If we are going to have some change, then it needs to come from the inside as progress... and not from the outside as change. For example, if you're going to change managers, get the new guy lined up and agreed and then move out JFK - that's a progressive move. Don't fire the guy without a replacement lined up - or that's just more turmoil. Oh well. Here's hoping that the protests don't do too much more damage. So you're saying we should recruit to the position before we sack the incumbent manager? AKA constructive dismissal...aye, that would be a truly progressive move. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Howaythetoon Posted January 17, 2009 Share Posted January 17, 2009 Relegation? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
GM Posted January 17, 2009 Share Posted January 17, 2009 Relegation? Fuck's sake, man. You should go to your GP and get some Prozac. Seriously. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tooj Posted January 17, 2009 Share Posted January 17, 2009 *Puts on Rocky voice and addresses the Soviet Union* I guess what I'm trying to say is, if I can change, and you can change, everybody can change. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Howaythetoon Posted January 17, 2009 Share Posted January 17, 2009 Relegation? f***'s sake, man. You should go to your GP and get some Prozac. Seriously. I think you're on enough for both of us mate. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
GM Posted January 17, 2009 Share Posted January 17, 2009 Relegation? f***'s sake, man. You should go to your GP and get some Prozac. Seriously. I think you're on enough for both of us mate. Ritalin, actually. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
cp40 Posted January 17, 2009 Share Posted January 17, 2009 If Newcastle is annexed by Scotland, things will improve. Bollocks. We'd be shit in the SPL as well. Shit in the SPL is 3rd. I think we should make the northumberland senior cup, our no1 priority every season, Blyth would probably beat us tho. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
merlin Posted January 18, 2009 Share Posted January 18, 2009 If Newcastle is annexed by Scotland, things will improve. Bollocks. We'd be s*** in the SPL as well. s*** in the SPL is 3rd. I think we should make the northumberland senior cup, our no1 priority every season, Blyth would probably beat us tho. The club used to do that in the 70s and early 80s... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
samag Posted January 18, 2009 Share Posted January 18, 2009 We need to get players into the club that can, play most weeks (not cry of injured) pass the ball to one another. Defend correctly and a midfield that can create and score goals. Until those basics are done it does not matter who owns the club or who is manager. Everyone wants to blame the owner or manger but the simple fact is the players we have are not good enough. It will take many years to turn the club around. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tooj Posted January 18, 2009 Share Posted January 18, 2009 We need to get players into the club that can, play most weeks (not cry of injured) pass the ball to one another. Defend correctly and a midfield that can create and score goals. Until those basics are done it does not matter who owns the club or who is manager. Everyone wants to blame the owner or manger but the simple fact is the players we have are not good enough. It will take many years to turn the club around. But whose fault is it that the players aren't good enough? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Logic Posted January 18, 2009 Share Posted January 18, 2009 Not much wrong with the players tbh, sure they could be better but how many teams couldn't find a better player or two. Pretty much the same players went toe to toe witn ManU and gave a very good account of themselves opening day. So the problem is with the players belief in themselves and their ability to function as a team. The buck therefore stops with JFK but there are other extenuating circumstances - such as the rudderless ship that NUFC appears to be right now, and sadly, if it carries on much longer, could soon be more like the Marie Celeste. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest dover Posted January 18, 2009 Share Posted January 18, 2009 Not much wrong with the players tbh, sure they could be better but how many teams couldn't find a better player or two. Pretty much the same players went toe to toe witn ManU and gave a very good account of themselves opening day. So the problem is with the players belief in themselves and their ability to function as a team. The buck therefore stops with JFK but there are other extenuating circumstances - such as the rudderless ship that NUFC appears to be right now, and sadly, if it carries on much longer, could soon be more like the Marie Celeste. Exactly my thoughts, the team we put out was good enough to beat Blackburn but there was no desire or pride in the squad. We go a goal down and where was the rally fom the captain? Why did JK not bring on Jonas and barton straight after the penalty? Why did xisco not get onto the pitch? Why is Edgar starting ahead of Taylor? It was a game we could and should have won, but a combination of lack of effort from the players and lack of imagination from the management cost us AGAIN. The thing that managers like Keegan and Robson understood is that if were going to lose then lets do it fighting, lets make it three up front for last twenty, lets relly give it everything. Not start thinking about the press conference afterwards while Jonas is wrapped in a scarf, fucking disgraceful for NUFC. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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