February 4th - New Open NUSC Meeting - Download link (most of it) in OP

[Mick]

I accept that Ashley cannot sell the club but I cannot understand how he cannot see that Llambias and co. who are supposedly running the club for him are not making a very good job of it.

 

For Llambias not to communicate to the media or supporters is disgraceful.  The club needs leadership and to hide behind the occasionally anonymous statements on the official website is pathetic.  I presume he is the person who represents the club at Premier League meetings etc in which case, he is the figurehead of the club.  By refusing to speak in public, it indicates to me an unwillingness to accept responsibility for their decisions.

 

(I am not so concerned with the lack of communication from Ashley because you don't hear from the owners of Man Utd, Blackburn, Spurs, Sunderland, Bolton, Chelsea etc.  However, you do hear from David Gill, John Williams, Daniel Levy, Niall Quinn, Phil Gartside,  Peter Kenyon).

 

And how is Wise qualified to do the job he has been hired for?  Originally, we were told he was in charge of recruitment for the Academy but latterly, I have seen comments in the press saying that he is running the club.  In what way?  Considering he has recently been a manager and a player, how can he have so little empathy with the manager's struggle with the size of the squad and the lack of players in certain positions.  As a manager, would he have been happy for someone to buy the players for him.  His managerial experience was in the lower leagues so he would not have been scouting Premier League standard players.  The press have also reported players trying to have meetings with Wise and being refused.  How would he have felt as a player or manager in a similar situation.

 

We don't know whether it is Wise is responsible for the senior players coming in but he is credited with the Academy players.  In this respect, we won't know if he is doing a good job for a few years yet.

 

With the emphasis on developing young players which is a long-term strategy, how come Richard Money wanted to leave for Swindon only a few months after taking on the role.  City's Academy Manager has been there for years.  Why is Money still having to cover the reserves as we have not replaced Adam Sadler.

 

And JFK.  If Ashley only wants a competent mid-table team so that Premiership survival is guaranteed, how can he hope to get that with this joke of a manager.  He needs a manager who can work with a limited budget, develop young players and make the best of the playing resources available - and someone who does not embarrass himself every time he speaks to the media.  I cannot believe that Ashley seriously expects JFK to do anything else other than struggle and ultimately fail.

 

By letting his mates run the club for him, Ashley is destroying the club.  With good personnel, he could have a decent mid-table team with the current resources.  The supporters would not be so disgruntled and neither would the players and maybe he might make a little more money.

 

I accept the finances are not great but I do believe with different people running the club and a different manager that improvements could be made and I cannot for the life of me understand why Ashley (as a supposed football fan) cannot see this.

 

 

Good post, I agree with most of that.

[Parky]

I accept that Ashley cannot sell the club but I cannot understand how he cannot see that Llambias and co. who are supposedly running the club for him are not making a very good job of it.

 

For Llambias not to communicate to the media or supporters is disgraceful.  The club needs leadership and to hide behind the occasionally anonymous statements on the official website is pathetic.  I presume he is the person who represents the club at Premier League meetings etc in which case, he is the figurehead of the club.  By refusing to speak in public, it indicates to me an unwillingness to accept responsibility for their decisions.

 

(I am not so concerned with the lack of communication from Ashley because you don't hear from the owners of Man Utd, Blackburn, Spurs, Sunderland, Bolton, Chelsea etc.  However, you do hear from David Gill, John Williams, Daniel Levy, Niall Quinn, Phil Gartside,  Peter Kenyon).

 

And how is Wise qualified to do the job he has been hired for?  Originally, we were told he was in charge of recruitment for the Academy but latterly, I have seen comments in the press saying that he is running the club.  In what way?  Considering he has recently been a manager and a player, how can he have so little empathy with the manager's struggle with the size of the squad and the lack of players in certain positions.  As a manager, would he have been happy for someone to buy the players for him.  His managerial experience was in the lower leagues so he would not have been scouting Premier League standard players.  The press have also reported players trying to have meetings with Wise and being refused.  How would he have felt as a player or manager in a similar situation.

 

We don't know whether it is Wise is responsible for the senior players coming in but he is credited with the Academy players.  In this respect, we won't know if he is doing a good job for a few years yet.

 

With the emphasis on developing young players which is a long-term strategy, how come Richard Money wanted to leave for Swindon only a few months after taking on the role.  City's Academy Manager has been there for years.  Why is Money still having to cover the reserves as we have not replaced Adam Sadler.

 

And JFK.  If Ashley only wants a competent mid-table team so that Premiership survival is guaranteed, how can he hope to get that with this joke of a manager.  He needs a manager who can work with a limited budget, develop young players and make the best of the playing resources available - and someone who does not embarrass himself every time he speaks to the media.  I cannot believe that Ashley seriously expects JFK to do anything else other than struggle and ultimately fail.

 

By letting his mates run the club for him, Ashley is destroying the club.  With good personnel, he could have a decent mid-table team with the current resources.  The supporters would not be so disgruntled and neither would the players and maybe he might make a little more money.

 

I accept the finances are not great but I do believe with different people running the club and a different manager that improvements could be made and I cannot for the life of me understand why Ashley (as a supposed football fan) cannot see this.

 

 

Good points well put.

 

The main thing to understand about MA is that he isn't really a big thinker, he made a lot of cash quite quickly in the tacky world of discount chav garmentry, hence his lack of foresight in setting up a management team at our club. Running/owning and managing football clubs these days is a very time consuming and tricky business with many pitfalls, even if one leg of the table is missing ie a good manager all the other stuff suffers.

 

It is well know DW was hired by the recommendation of MA's good/best friend the erstwhile Tottenham director Kelmsley ( yes another perma-grinning fat fucker).

 

The answer to all this is high powered rifles with lovely little novelty toon stickers on the stock.

[Kitman]

I accept that Ashley cannot sell the club but I cannot understand how he cannot see that Llambias and co. who are supposedly running the club for him are not making a very good job of it.

 

For Llambias not to communicate to the media or supporters is disgraceful.  The club needs leadership and to hide behind the occasionally anonymous statements on the official website is pathetic.  I presume he is the person who represents the club at Premier League meetings etc in which case, he is the figurehead of the club.  By refusing to speak in public, it indicates to me an unwillingness to accept responsibility for their decisions.

 

(I am not so concerned with the lack of communication from Ashley because you don't hear from the owners of Man Utd, Blackburn, Spurs, Sunderland, Bolton, Chelsea etc.  However, you do hear from David Gill, John Williams, Daniel Levy, Niall Quinn, Phil Gartside,  Peter Kenyon).

 

And how is Wise qualified to do the job he has been hired for?  Originally, we were told he was in charge of recruitment for the Academy but latterly, I have seen comments in the press saying that he is running the club.  In what way?  Considering he has recently been a manager and a player, how can he have so little empathy with the manager's struggle with the size of the squad and the lack of players in certain positions.  As a manager, would he have been happy for someone to buy the players for him.  His managerial experience was in the lower leagues so he would not have been scouting Premier League standard players.  The press have also reported players trying to have meetings with Wise and being refused.  How would he have felt as a player or manager in a similar situation.

 

We don't know whether it is Wise is responsible for the senior players coming in but he is credited with the Academy players.  In this respect, we won't know if he is doing a good job for a few years yet.

 

With the emphasis on developing young players which is a long-term strategy, how come Richard Money wanted to leave for Swindon only a few months after taking on the role.  City's Academy Manager has been there for years.  Why is Money still having to cover the reserves as we have not replaced Adam Sadler.

 

And JFK.  If Ashley only wants a competent mid-table team so that Premiership survival is guaranteed, how can he hope to get that with this joke of a manager.  He needs a manager who can work with a limited budget, develop young players and make the best of the playing resources available - and someone who does not embarrass himself every time he speaks to the media.  I cannot believe that Ashley seriously expects JFK to do anything else other than struggle and ultimately fail.

 

By letting his mates run the club for him, Ashley is destroying the club.  With good personnel, he could have a decent mid-table team with the current resources.  The supporters would not be so disgruntled and neither would the players and maybe he might make a little more money.

 

I accept the finances are not great but I do believe with different people running the club and a different manager that improvements could be made and I cannot for the life of me understand why Ashley (as a supposed football fan) cannot see this.

 

 

Nice post.  The biggest issue is Kinnear imo.  I'm praying he's replaced at the end of the season, hopefully once we've survived.  What Llambias brings to the club is beyond me, he has no background in football by all accounts yet he's running the whole damn party (allegedly).

[Parky]

I accept that Ashley cannot sell the club but I cannot understand how he cannot see that Llambias and co. who are supposedly running the club for him are not making a very good job of it.

 

For Llambias not to communicate to the media or supporters is disgraceful.  The club needs leadership and to hide behind the occasionally anonymous statements on the official website is pathetic.  I presume he is the person who represents the club at Premier League meetings etc in which case, he is the figurehead of the club.  By refusing to speak in public, it indicates to me an unwillingness to accept responsibility for their decisions.

 

(I am not so concerned with the lack of communication from Ashley because you don't hear from the owners of Man Utd, Blackburn, Spurs, Sunderland, Bolton, Chelsea etc.  However, you do hear from David Gill, John Williams, Daniel Levy, Niall Quinn, Phil Gartside,  Peter Kenyon).

 

And how is Wise qualified to do the job he has been hired for?  Originally, we were told he was in charge of recruitment for the Academy but latterly, I have seen comments in the press saying that he is running the club.  In what way?  Considering he has recently been a manager and a player, how can he have so little empathy with the manager's struggle with the size of the squad and the lack of players in certain positions.  As a manager, would he have been happy for someone to buy the players for him.  His managerial experience was in the lower leagues so he would not have been scouting Premier League standard players.  The press have also reported players trying to have meetings with Wise and being refused.  How would he have felt as a player or manager in a similar situation.

 

We don't know whether it is Wise is responsible for the senior players coming in but he is credited with the Academy players.  In this respect, we won't know if he is doing a good job for a few years yet.

 

With the emphasis on developing young players which is a long-term strategy, how come Richard Money wanted to leave for Swindon only a few months after taking on the role.  City's Academy Manager has been there for years.  Why is Money still having to cover the reserves as we have not replaced Adam Sadler.

 

And JFK.  If Ashley only wants a competent mid-table team so that Premiership survival is guaranteed, how can he hope to get that with this joke of a manager.  He needs a manager who can work with a limited budget, develop young players and make the best of the playing resources available - and someone who does not embarrass himself every time he speaks to the media.  I cannot believe that Ashley seriously expects JFK to do anything else other than struggle and ultimately fail.

 

By letting his mates run the club for him, Ashley is destroying the club.  With good personnel, he could have a decent mid-table team with the current resources.  The supporters would not be so disgruntled and neither would the players and maybe he might make a little more money.

 

I accept the finances are not great but I do believe with different people running the club and a different manager that improvements could be made and I cannot for the life of me understand why Ashley (as a supposed football fan) cannot see this.

 

 

Nice post.  The biggest issue is Kinnear imo.  I'm praying he's replaced at the end of the season, hopefully once we've survived.  What Llambias brings to the club is beyond me, he has no background in football by all accounts yet he's running the whole damn party (allegedly).

 

Perhaps there's a giant casino going up and noones noticed.

[Wullie]

We might well have to replace Kinnear before the end of the season purely and simply to hope for the 'new boss boost'. Could be the only thing that keeps us up. Of course, the question is who comes in instead for that period knowing that the club could very well go down. Horrible mess to be in but I fully expect us to keep Kinnear come hell or high water anyway.

[CaliMag]

Running/owning and managing football clubs these days is a very time consuming and tricky business with many pitfalls...

 

And then there is our club which takes this statement to another dimension of difficulty.

[Parky]

We might well have to replace Kinnear before the end of the season purely and simply to hope for the 'new boss boost'. Could be the only thing that keeps us up. Of course, the question is who comes in instead for that period knowing that the club could very well go down. Horrible mess to be in but I fully expect us to keep Kinnear come hell or high water anyway.

 

Doesn't even take training and not in an aloof MON kind of way, but just a sad loping sit in office drink tea kind of way.

[Kitman]

I accept that Ashley cannot sell the club but I cannot understand how he cannot see that Llambias and co. who are supposedly running the club for him are not making a very good job of it.

 

For Llambias not to communicate to the media or supporters is disgraceful.  The club needs leadership and to hide behind the occasionally anonymous statements on the official website is pathetic.  I presume he is the person who represents the club at Premier League meetings etc in which case, he is the figurehead of the club.  By refusing to speak in public, it indicates to me an unwillingness to accept responsibility for their decisions.

 

(I am not so concerned with the lack of communication from Ashley because you don't hear from the owners of Man Utd, Blackburn, Spurs, Sunderland, Bolton, Chelsea etc.  However, you do hear from David Gill, John Williams, Daniel Levy, Niall Quinn, Phil Gartside,  Peter Kenyon).

 

And how is Wise qualified to do the job he has been hired for?  Originally, we were told he was in charge of recruitment for the Academy but latterly, I have seen comments in the press saying that he is running the club.  In what way?  Considering he has recently been a manager and a player, how can he have so little empathy with the manager's struggle with the size of the squad and the lack of players in certain positions.  As a manager, would he have been happy for someone to buy the players for him.  His managerial experience was in the lower leagues so he would not have been scouting Premier League standard players.  The press have also reported players trying to have meetings with Wise and being refused.  How would he have felt as a player or manager in a similar situation.

 

We don't know whether it is Wise is responsible for the senior players coming in but he is credited with the Academy players.  In this respect, we won't know if he is doing a good job for a few years yet.

 

With the emphasis on developing young players which is a long-term strategy, how come Richard Money wanted to leave for Swindon only a few months after taking on the role.  City's Academy Manager has been there for years.  Why is Money still having to cover the reserves as we have not replaced Adam Sadler.

 

And JFK.  If Ashley only wants a competent mid-table team so that Premiership survival is guaranteed, how can he hope to get that with this joke of a manager.  He needs a manager who can work with a limited budget, develop young players and make the best of the playing resources available - and someone who does not embarrass himself every time he speaks to the media.  I cannot believe that Ashley seriously expects JFK to do anything else other than struggle and ultimately fail.

 

By letting his mates run the club for him, Ashley is destroying the club.  With good personnel, he could have a decent mid-table team with the current resources.  The supporters would not be so disgruntled and neither would the players and maybe he might make a little more money.

 

I accept the finances are not great but I do believe with different people running the club and a different manager that improvements could be made and I cannot for the life of me understand why Ashley (as a supposed football fan) cannot see this.

 

 

Nice post.  The biggest issue is Kinnear imo.  I'm praying he's replaced at the end of the season, hopefully once we've survived.  What Llambias brings to the club is beyond me, he has no background in football by all accounts yet he's running the whole damn party (allegedly).

 

Perhaps there's a giant casino going up and noones noticed.

 

Maybe the whole club's run like roulette?

 

Black - we go for Hitzfeld

Red - we go for Rijkard

No colour - let's make this interesting and go for Kinnear ha ha ha ha

 

* Spinny spinny spinny *

 

* Kerplunk *

 

Fuck me, what were the odds of that happening, Dennis?  Old washed up Joe it is, then!

 

Now on to transfers.....

 

[Parky]

I accept that Ashley cannot sell the club but I cannot understand how he cannot see that Llambias and co. who are supposedly running the club for him are not making a very good job of it.

 

For Llambias not to communicate to the media or supporters is disgraceful.  The club needs leadership and to hide behind the occasionally anonymous statements on the official website is pathetic.  I presume he is the person who represents the club at Premier League meetings etc in which case, he is the figurehead of the club.  By refusing to speak in public, it indicates to me an unwillingness to accept responsibility for their decisions.

 

(I am not so concerned with the lack of communication from Ashley because you don't hear from the owners of Man Utd, Blackburn, Spurs, Sunderland, Bolton, Chelsea etc.  However, you do hear from David Gill, John Williams, Daniel Levy, Niall Quinn, Phil Gartside,  Peter Kenyon).

 

And how is Wise qualified to do the job he has been hired for?  Originally, we were told he was in charge of recruitment for the Academy but latterly, I have seen comments in the press saying that he is running the club.  In what way?  Considering he has recently been a manager and a player, how can he have so little empathy with the manager's struggle with the size of the squad and the lack of players in certain positions.  As a manager, would he have been happy for someone to buy the players for him.  His managerial experience was in the lower leagues so he would not have been scouting Premier League standard players.  The press have also reported players trying to have meetings with Wise and being refused.  How would he have felt as a player or manager in a similar situation.

 

We don't know whether it is Wise is responsible for the senior players coming in but he is credited with the Academy players.  In this respect, we won't know if he is doing a good job for a few years yet.

 

With the emphasis on developing young players which is a long-term strategy, how come Richard Money wanted to leave for Swindon only a few months after taking on the role.  City's Academy Manager has been there for years.  Why is Money still having to cover the reserves as we have not replaced Adam Sadler.

 

And JFK.  If Ashley only wants a competent mid-table team so that Premiership survival is guaranteed, how can he hope to get that with this joke of a manager.  He needs a manager who can work with a limited budget, develop young players and make the best of the playing resources available - and someone who does not embarrass himself every time he speaks to the media.  I cannot believe that Ashley seriously expects JFK to do anything else other than struggle and ultimately fail.

 

By letting his mates run the club for him, Ashley is destroying the club.  With good personnel, he could have a decent mid-table team with the current resources.  The supporters would not be so disgruntled and neither would the players and maybe he might make a little more money.

 

I accept the finances are not great but I do believe with different people running the club and a different manager that improvements could be made and I cannot for the life of me understand why Ashley (as a supposed football fan) cannot see this.

 

 

Nice post.  The biggest issue is Kinnear imo.  I'm praying he's replaced at the end of the season, hopefully once we've survived.  What Llambias brings to the club is beyond me, he has no background in football by all accounts yet he's running the whole damn party (allegedly).

 

Perhaps there's a giant casino going up and noones noticed.

 

Maybe the whole club's run like roulette?

 

Black - we go for Hitzfeld

Red - we go for Rijkard

No colour - let's make this interesting and go for Kinnear ha ha ha ha

 

* Spinny spinny spinny *

 

* Kerplunk *

 

Fuck me, what were the odds of that happening, Dennis?  Old washed up Joe it is, then!

 

Now on to transfers.....

 

 

....the craps table?

[Kitman]

I accept that Ashley cannot sell the club but I cannot understand how he cannot see that Llambias and co. who are supposedly running the club for him are not making a very good job of it.

 

For Llambias not to communicate to the media or supporters is disgraceful.  The club needs leadership and to hide behind the occasionally anonymous statements on the official website is pathetic.  I presume he is the person who represents the club at Premier League meetings etc in which case, he is the figurehead of the club.  By refusing to speak in public, it indicates to me an unwillingness to accept responsibility for their decisions.

 

(I am not so concerned with the lack of communication from Ashley because you don't hear from the owners of Man Utd, Blackburn, Spurs, Sunderland, Bolton, Chelsea etc.  However, you do hear from David Gill, John Williams, Daniel Levy, Niall Quinn, Phil Gartside,  Peter Kenyon).

 

And how is Wise qualified to do the job he has been hired for?  Originally, we were told he was in charge of recruitment for the Academy but latterly, I have seen comments in the press saying that he is running the club.  In what way?  Considering he has recently been a manager and a player, how can he have so little empathy with the manager's struggle with the size of the squad and the lack of players in certain positions.  As a manager, would he have been happy for someone to buy the players for him.  His managerial experience was in the lower leagues so he would not have been scouting Premier League standard players.  The press have also reported players trying to have meetings with Wise and being refused.  How would he have felt as a player or manager in a similar situation.

 

We don't know whether it is Wise is responsible for the senior players coming in but he is credited with the Academy players.  In this respect, we won't know if he is doing a good job for a few years yet.

 

With the emphasis on developing young players which is a long-term strategy, how come Richard Money wanted to leave for Swindon only a few months after taking on the role.  City's Academy Manager has been there for years.  Why is Money still having to cover the reserves as we have not replaced Adam Sadler.

 

And JFK.  If Ashley only wants a competent mid-table team so that Premiership survival is guaranteed, how can he hope to get that with this joke of a manager.  He needs a manager who can work with a limited budget, develop young players and make the best of the playing resources available - and someone who does not embarrass himself every time he speaks to the media.  I cannot believe that Ashley seriously expects JFK to do anything else other than struggle and ultimately fail.

 

By letting his mates run the club for him, Ashley is destroying the club.  With good personnel, he could have a decent mid-table team with the current resources.  The supporters would not be so disgruntled and neither would the players and maybe he might make a little more money.

 

I accept the finances are not great but I do believe with different people running the club and a different manager that improvements could be made and I cannot for the life of me understand why Ashley (as a supposed football fan) cannot see this.

 

 

Nice post.  The biggest issue is Kinnear imo.  I'm praying he's replaced at the end of the season, hopefully once we've survived.  What Llambias brings to the club is beyond me, he has no background in football by all accounts yet he's running the whole damn party (allegedly).

 

Perhaps there's a giant casino going up and noones noticed.

 

Maybe the whole club's run like roulette?

 

Black - we go for Hitzfeld

Red - we go for Rijkard

No colour - let's make this interesting and go for Kinnear ha ha ha ha

 

* Spinny spinny spinny *

 

* Kerplunk *

 

f*** me, what were the odds of that happening, Dennis?  Old washed up Joe it is, then!

 

Now on to transfers.....

 

 

....the craps table?

 

[dcmk]

I accept that Ashley cannot sell the club but I cannot understand how he cannot see that Llambias and co. who are supposedly running the club for him are not making a very good job of it.

 

 

For Llambias not to communicate to the media or supporters is disgraceful.  The club needs leadership and to hide behind the occasionally anonymous statements on the official website is pathetic.  I presume he is the person who represents the club at Premier League meetings etc in which case, he is the figurehead of the club.  By refusing to speak in public, it indicates to me an unwillingness to accept responsibility for their decisions.

 

(I am not so concerned with the lack of communication from Ashley because you don't hear from the owners of Man Utd, Blackburn, Spurs, Sunderland, Bolton, Chelsea etc.  However, you do hear from David Gill, John Williams, Daniel Levy, Niall Quinn, Phil Gartside,  Peter Kenyon).

 

And how is Wise qualified to do the job he has been hired for?  Originally, we were told he was in charge of recruitment for the Academy but latterly, I have seen comments in the press saying that he is running the club.  In what way?  Considering he has recently been a manager and a player, how can he have so little empathy with the manager's struggle with the size of the squad and the lack of players in certain positions.  As a manager, would he have been happy for someone to buy the players for him.  His managerial experience was in the lower leagues so he would not have been scouting Premier League standard players.  The press have also reported players trying to have meetings with Wise and being refused.  How would he have felt as a player or manager in a similar situation.

 

We don't know whether it is Wise is responsible for the senior players coming in but he is credited with the Academy players.  In this respect, we won't know if he is doing a good job for a few years yet.

 

With the emphasis on developing young players which is a long-term strategy, how come Richard Money wanted to leave for Swindon only a few months after taking on the role.  City's Academy Manager has been there for years.  Why is Money still having to cover the reserves as we have not replaced Adam Sadler.

 

And JFK.  If Ashley only wants a competent mid-table team so that Premiership survival is guaranteed, how can he hope to get that with this joke of a manager.  He needs a manager who can work with a limited budget, develop young players and make the best of the playing resources available - and someone who does not embarrass himself every time he speaks to the media.  I cannot believe that Ashley seriously expects JFK to do anything else other than struggle and ultimately fail.

 

By letting his mates run the club for him, Ashley is destroying the club.  With good personnel, he could have a decent mid-table team with the current resources.  The supporters would not be so disgruntled and neither would the players and maybe he might make a little more money.

 

I accept the finances are not great but I do believe with different people running the club and a different manager that improvements could be made and I cannot for the life of me understand why Ashley (as a supposed football fan) cannot see this.

 

 

Nice post.  The biggest issue is Kinnear imo.  I'm praying he's replaced at the end of the season, hopefully once we've survived.  What Llambias brings to the club is beyond me, he has no background in football by all accounts yet he's running the whole damn party (allegedly).

 

Perhaps there's a giant casino going up and noones noticed.

 

Maybe the whole club's run like roulette?

 

Black - we go for Hitzfeld

Red - we go for Rijkard

No colour - let's make this interesting and go for Kinnear ha ha ha ha

 

* Spinny spinny spinny *

 

* Kerplunk *

 

f*** me, what were the odds of that happening, Dennis?  Old washed up Joe it is, then!

 

Now on to transfers.....

 

 

I reckon we rolled black but fucked up the negotiations with Hitzfield

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=liyynGpMls0

[pedro111]

Cheers for uploading!

 

Tis a good listen.

[bealios]

 

I accept that Ashley cannot sell the club but I cannot understand how he cannot see that Llambias and co. who are supposedly running the club for him are not making a very good job of it.

 

For Llambias not to communicate to the media or supporters is disgraceful.  The club needs leadership and to hide behind the occasionally anonymous statements on the official website is pathetic.  I presume he is the person who represents the club at Premier League meetings etc in which case, he is the figurehead of the club.  By refusing to speak in public, it indicates to me an unwillingness to accept responsibility for their decisions.

 

(I am not so concerned with the lack of communication from Ashley because you don't hear from the owners of Man Utd, Blackburn, Spurs, Sunderland, Bolton, Chelsea etc.  However, you do hear from David Gill, John Williams, Daniel Levy, Niall Quinn, Phil Gartside,  Peter Kenyon).

 

And how is Wise qualified to do the job he has been hired for?  Originally, we were told he was in charge of recruitment for the Academy but latterly, I have seen comments in the press saying that he is running the club.  In what way?  Considering he has recently been a manager and a player, how can he have so little empathy with the manager's struggle with the size of the squad and the lack of players in certain positions.  As a manager, would he have been happy for someone to buy the players for him.  His managerial experience was in the lower leagues so he would not have been scouting Premier League standard players.  The press have also reported players trying to have meetings with Wise and being refused.  How would he have felt as a player or manager in a similar situation.

 

We don't know whether it is Wise is responsible for the senior players coming in but he is credited with the Academy players.  In this respect, we won't know if he is doing a good job for a few years yet.

 

With the emphasis on developing young players which is a long-term strategy, how come Richard Money wanted to leave for Swindon only a few months after taking on the role.  City's Academy Manager has been there for years.  Why is Money still having to cover the reserves as we have not replaced Adam Sadler.

 

And JFK.  If Ashley only wants a competent mid-table team so that Premiership survival is guaranteed, how can he hope to get that with this joke of a manager.  He needs a manager who can work with a limited budget, develop young players and make the best of the playing resources available - and someone who does not embarrass himself every time he speaks to the media.  I cannot believe that Ashley seriously expects JFK to do anything else other than struggle and ultimately fail.

 

By letting his mates run the club for him, Ashley is destroying the club.  With good personnel, he could have a decent mid-table team with the current resources.  The supporters would not be so disgruntled and neither would the players and maybe he might make a little more money.

 

I accept the finances are not great but I do believe with different people running the club and a different manager that improvements could be made and I cannot for the life of me understand why Ashley (as a supposed football fan) cannot see this.

 

 

Somebody please print the above post out and send it to NUSC.

 

I listened last night for 2 hours to the meeting, and I have upmost respect for what they're trying to do, but unfortunately due to early mistakes and some agenda driven committee members they are becoming an Ashley Out lobby group which many supporters do not want to be associated with. They said last night that the overwhelming feedback they get from fans is that they want Ashley gone now, but they fail to see that the reason that might be is that they are now seen as an Anti Ashley group, so the Anti Ashley brigade gravitate towards them. Last night's meeting seemed more like a gathering of all of those who were against Ashley to come and slag him of in various ways.

 

The meeting was supposed to find some common ground between fans, but they failed (at least in the first couple of hours) to even address the point that the club are losing vast amounts of cash and are technically insolvent without Ashley. That was just unbelieveable, given that the main point that those against NUSC's stated views are that the club was massively in the shit before Ashley, and his net £20m per annum spend sounded quite good if it meant we had a club to support.

 

Ashley is by no means doing a good job, but that is not because he's asset stripping or holding on for a profit, it's because those appointed to run the club have been poor appointments  - Llambias, Wise, Keegan - not necessarily bad appointments by themselves, but madness trying to combine them in a management structure.

 

IF NUSC need to change their agenda and focus on NUFC as it is now i.e propped up financially by Ashley, with no buyer interested. Release a statement or proper set of written principles on the website that actually reflect reality. Use Wallace's post above as a starting point. Express that after the recent financial information they are now aware of the perilous state of the club's finances. Express that they believe that the communication from the club needs to be improved - but stop asking to meet Ashley personally. Until you have a membership which reflects supporters as a whole you have no legitimacy and are nothing more than a pressure group. Express the fans concern at the fact that there is a man with no football experience running the club, and if he is to be retained then he needs an experience Kenyon type character to avoid transfers going tits up. Express thanks that Joe Kinnear took the job in the circumstances and kept us up, but his lack of recent top flight experience should mean that a new manager is brought in June - imagine that, changing manager before a season starts!!!

 

They are all realistic aims/goals for supporters to find common ground behind, and if they were part of an NUSC agenda you could have my tenner. I can't think many fans could argue with those or point in Wallace's post.

 

But running a supporters club based upon "We want Ashley out because he's killing our club" is never going to find common ground between fans because it ignores the reality that is NUFC in 2009.

[Mowen]

We might well have to replace Kinnear before the end of the season purely and simply to hope for the 'new boss boost'. Could be the only thing that keeps us up. Of course, the question is who comes in instead for that period knowing that the club could very well go down. Horrible mess to be in but I fully expect us to keep Kinnear come hell or high water anyway.

 

Doesn't even take training and not in an aloof MON kind of way, but just a sad loping sit in office drink tea kind of way.

 

Is there any reason I should believe this?

[mrmojorisin75]

We might well have to replace Kinnear before the end of the season purely and simply to hope for the 'new boss boost'. Could be the only thing that keeps us up. Of course, the question is who comes in instead for that period knowing that the club could very well go down. Horrible mess to be in but I fully expect us to keep Kinnear come hell or high water anyway.

 

Doesn't even take training and not in an aloof MON kind of way, but just a sad loping sit in office drink tea kind of way.

 

Is there any reason I should believe this?

 

is there any reason not to?  have you seen us play?

[Mowen]

We might well have to replace Kinnear before the end of the season purely and simply to hope for the 'new boss boost'. Could be the only thing that keeps us up. Of course, the question is who comes in instead for that period knowing that the club could very well go down. Horrible mess to be in but I fully expect us to keep Kinnear come hell or high water anyway.

 

Doesn't even take training and not in an aloof MON kind of way, but just a sad loping sit in office drink tea kind of way.

 

Is there any reason I should believe this?

 

is there any reason not to?  have you seen us play?

 

So because we're playing badly I should believe what Parky said? Really?

 

If that's how it works then I reckon that.... there hasn't been a training session since Kinnear arrived and the players only see each other on match day. Any reason not to believe me? Have you seen us play?

[mrmojorisin75]

We might well have to replace Kinnear before the end of the season purely and simply to hope for the 'new boss boost'. Could be the only thing that keeps us up. Of course, the question is who comes in instead for that period knowing that the club could very well go down. Horrible mess to be in but I fully expect us to keep Kinnear come hell or high water anyway.

 

Doesn't even take training and not in an aloof MON kind of way, but just a sad loping sit in office drink tea kind of way.

 

Is there any reason I should believe this?

 

is there any reason not to?  have you seen us play?

 

So because we're playing badly I should believe what Parky said? Really?

 

If that's how it works then I reckon that.... there hasn't been a training session since Kinnear arrived and the players only see each other on match day. Any reason not to believe me? Have you seen us play?

 

fucks sake, put the handbag down pet...shoulda put a smiley in, might have meant you didn't get sand in your vagina

[Mowen]

We might well have to replace Kinnear before the end of the season purely and simply to hope for the 'new boss boost'. Could be the only thing that keeps us up. Of course, the question is who comes in instead for that period knowing that the club could very well go down. Horrible mess to be in but I fully expect us to keep Kinnear come hell or high water anyway.

 

Doesn't even take training and not in an aloof MON kind of way, but just a sad loping sit in office drink tea kind of way.

 

Is there any reason I should believe this?

 

is there any reason not to?  have you seen us play?

 

So because we're playing badly I should believe what Parky said? Really?

 

If that's how it works then I reckon that.... there hasn't been a training session since Kinnear arrived and the players only see each other on match day. Any reason not to believe me? Have you seen us play?

 

fucks sake, put the handbag down pet...shoulda put a smiley in, might have meant you didn't get sand in your vagina

 

[Guest toonlass]

So what actually happened at this meeting? Was anything decided?

[Disco]

We might well have to replace Kinnear before the end of the season purely and simply to hope for the 'new boss boost'. Could be the only thing that keeps us up. Of course, the question is who comes in instead for that period knowing that the club could very well go down. Horrible mess to be in but I fully expect us to keep Kinnear come hell or high water anyway.

 

Doesn't even take training and not in an aloof MON kind of way, but just a sad loping sit in office drink tea kind of way.

 

Is there any reason I should believe this?

 

is there any reason not to?  have you seen us play?

 

Seeing us play I'd be more inclined to believe JFK does take training.

[mrmojorisin75]

We might well have to replace Kinnear before the end of the season purely and simply to hope for the 'new boss boost'. Could be the only thing that keeps us up. Of course, the question is who comes in instead for that period knowing that the club could very well go down. Horrible mess to be in but I fully expect us to keep Kinnear come hell or high water anyway.

 

Doesn't even take training and not in an aloof MON kind of way, but just a sad loping sit in office drink tea kind of way.

 

Is there any reason I should believe this?

 

is there any reason not to?  have you seen us play?

 

Seeing us play I'd be more inclined to believe JFK does take training.

 

touche! 

[bealios]

So what actually happened at this meeting? Was anything decided?

 

I listened for a couple of hours, and from what I heard there were some very good contributions which suggested a pragmatic way forward of continuing to try and speak to the club in a conciliatory fashion, but there were a hell of a lot of people saying Ashley had to go and that we should keep up protests/boycotts etc.

 

The first part of the meeting was for members to air their own views, which is the bit I listened to. The latter part was supposed to be the bit where they look for the "common ground" and a way forward for the NUSC. Didn't hear much of that, but if it was anything like the majority of the first part I fear that they might not find their "common ground" between supporters and the membership will stick around the 1,000 level.

 

 

[Guest toonlass]

So what actually happened at this meeting? Was anything decided?

 

I listened for a couple of hours, and from what I heard there were some very good contributions which suggested a pragmatic way forward of continuing to try and speak to the club in a conciliatory fashion, but there were a hell of a lot of people saying Ashley had to go and that we should keep up protests/boycotts etc.

 

The first part of the meeting was for members to air their own views, which is the bit I listened to. The latter part was supposed to be the bit where they look for the "common ground" and a way forward for the NUSC. Didn't hear much of that, but if it was anything like the majority of the first part I fear that they might not find their "common ground" between supporters and the membership will stick around the 1,000 level.

 

 

 

Are the boycott's effective though? Most people aren't bothering with them anyway.

[AyeDubbleYoo]

 

I accept that Ashley cannot sell the club but I cannot understand how he cannot see that Llambias and co. who are supposedly running the club for him are not making a very good job of it.

 

For Llambias not to communicate to the media or supporters is disgraceful.  The club needs leadership and to hide behind the occasionally anonymous statements on the official website is pathetic.  I presume he is the person who represents the club at Premier League meetings etc in which case, he is the figurehead of the club.  By refusing to speak in public, it indicates to me an unwillingness to accept responsibility for their decisions.

 

(I am not so concerned with the lack of communication from Ashley because you don't hear from the owners of Man Utd, Blackburn, Spurs, Sunderland, Bolton, Chelsea etc.  However, you do hear from David Gill, John Williams, Daniel Levy, Niall Quinn, Phil Gartside,  Peter Kenyon).

 

And how is Wise qualified to do the job he has been hired for?  Originally, we were told he was in charge of recruitment for the Academy but latterly, I have seen comments in the press saying that he is running the club.  In what way?  Considering he has recently been a manager and a player, how can he have so little empathy with the manager's struggle with the size of the squad and the lack of players in certain positions.  As a manager, would he have been happy for someone to buy the players for him.  His managerial experience was in the lower leagues so he would not have been scouting Premier League standard players.  The press have also reported players trying to have meetings with Wise and being refused.  How would he have felt as a player or manager in a similar situation.

 

We don't know whether it is Wise is responsible for the senior players coming in but he is credited with the Academy players.  In this respect, we won't know if he is doing a good job for a few years yet.

 

With the emphasis on developing young players which is a long-term strategy, how come Richard Money wanted to leave for Swindon only a few months after taking on the role.  City's Academy Manager has been there for years.  Why is Money still having to cover the reserves as we have not replaced Adam Sadler.

 

And JFK.  If Ashley only wants a competent mid-table team so that Premiership survival is guaranteed, how can he hope to get that with this joke of a manager.  He needs a manager who can work with a limited budget, develop young players and make the best of the playing resources available - and someone who does not embarrass himself every time he speaks to the media.  I cannot believe that Ashley seriously expects JFK to do anything else other than struggle and ultimately fail.

 

By letting his mates run the club for him, Ashley is destroying the club.  With good personnel, he could have a decent mid-table team with the current resources.  The supporters would not be so disgruntled and neither would the players and maybe he might make a little more money.

 

I accept the finances are not great but I do believe with different people running the club and a different manager that improvements could be made and I cannot for the life of me understand why Ashley (as a supposed football fan) cannot see this.

 

 

Somebody please print the above post out and send it to NUSC.

 

I listened last night for 2 hours to the meeting, and I have upmost respect for what they're trying to do, but unfortunately due to early mistakes and some agenda driven committee members they are becoming an Ashley Out lobby group which many supporters do not want to be associated with. They said last night that the overwhelming feedback they get from fans is that they want Ashley gone now, but they fail to see that the reason that might be is that they are now seen as an Anti Ashley group, so the Anti Ashley brigade gravitate towards them. Last night's meeting seemed more like a gathering of all of those who were against Ashley to come and slag him of in various ways.

 

The meeting was supposed to find some common ground between fans, but they failed (at least in the first couple of hours) to even address the point that the club are losing vast amounts of cash and are technically insolvent without Ashley. That was just unbelieveable, given that the main point that those against NUSC's stated views are that the club was massively in the shit before Ashley, and his net £20m per annum spend sounded quite good if it meant we had a club to support.

 

Ashley is by no means doing a good job, but that is not because he's asset stripping or holding on for a profit, it's because those appointed to run the club have been poor appointments  - Llambias, Wise, Keegan - not necessarily bad appointments by themselves, but madness trying to combine them in a management structure.

 

IF NUSC need to change their agenda and focus on NUFC as it is now i.e propped up financially by Ashley, with no buyer interested. Release a statement or proper set of written principles on the website that actually reflect reality. Use Wallace's post above as a starting point. Express that after the recent financial information they are now aware of the perilous state of the club's finances. Express that they believe that the communication from the club needs to be improved - but stop asking to meet Ashley personally. Until you have a membership which reflects supporters as a whole you have no legitimacy and are nothing more than a pressure group. Express the fans concern at the fact that there is a man with no football experience running the club, and if he is to be retained then he needs an experience Kenyon type character to avoid transfers going tits up. Express thanks that Joe Kinnear took the job in the circumstances and kept us up, but his lack of recent top flight experience should mean that a new manager is brought in June - imagine that, changing manager before a season starts!!!

 

They are all realistic aims/goals for supporters to find common ground behind, and if they were part of an NUSC agenda you could have my tenner. I can't think many fans could argue with those or point in Wallace's post.

 

But running a supporters club based upon "We want Ashley out because he's killing our club" is never going to find common ground between fans because it ignores the reality that is NUFC in 2009.

 

Two superb posts, but I don't think NUSC has what it takes to change in this way.

 

[TRon]

I am in agreement with the NUSC about one thing and that is that there seems to be a fair amount of incompetence in running the club no matter how much money has or has not been sunk in. Failure to complete on signings, failure to communicate, failure to appoint a calibre manager being obvious causes for complaints.

 

NUSC seems to have built good channels with the press and I would suggest instead of focusing on "Ashley out" they use their links to keep bringing these issues up.