ikri Posted January 29, 2009 Share Posted January 29, 2009 Has there been a more inept manager tactically in the recent history of the Premiership? It's not that he gets his tactics wrong, he genuinely hasn't got any. 4-4-2. That's it. Tactics? http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3152/2577903405_8da3ca094b.jpg?v=0 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest optimistic nit Posted January 30, 2009 Share Posted January 30, 2009 Sir Alex, take away all the safe surroundings and all the players and put him in the Newcastle hot seat, and he would be just as shit as Kinnear. (meaning no manager can perform at a club like Newcastle anno 2009) i despair sometimes, i really do Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Chris P Posted January 30, 2009 Share Posted January 30, 2009 Not sure if this is elsewhere but f***ing hell, he needs to be gagged, we be signing NO ONE after this: http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/2009/jan/29/michael-owen-joey-barton-injured-joe-kinnear-newcastle-united-crisis Newcastle United's season was facing another crisis tonight when Michael Owen and Joey Barton both suffered long-term injuries in their 2-1 defeat at Manchester City and Joe Kinnear questioned whether the club's owner, Mike Ashley, was struggling to pay the players' wages. "Mike has lost £2bn in his own business because of the credit crunch," Kinnear said. "It's not easy for him. He's paying the wages, just about. But it's in the [financial] records, you just have to look." The Newcastle manager could not conceal his despair after another demoralising defeat in which Owen suffered a broken ankle, meaning six-to-eight weeks on the sidelines for a player whose luckless run with injuries has restricted him to 62 games in his three and a half years with the club. The prognosis for Joey Barton was even more serious. "It's a metatarsal," Kinnear reported. "It's that dreaded word again and the docs are saying 10 weeks." The defeat leaves Newcastle fifth bottom in the Premier League, with mounting injury problems and without a win in their last seven matches. "I don't know what team we will play next week [at home to Sunderland] and it's our biggest game of the season," Kinnear continued. "This is the way it has been for us all season. We are chopping and changing every week. We've got one fit striker and that's Andy Carroll." This was an emotional Kinnear and he added: "It's devastating when you look at a club like Tottenham offering £16m for this player, £14m for that player. I would love to go and spend millions like that and I wish I was in the position to do so. But you can see why a lot of big [managerial] names out there didn't have the arsehole to take this job. You can see why so many people bottled it." A miserable day for Newcastle was compounded by confirmation that Shay Given has reiterated his desire to leave the club. Given did not even travel to Manchester and City hope to sign him before the transfer window closes on 2 February. "I'm doing my best but it's tough," Kinnear said. "I've bent over backwards to keep Shay and I have told the powers-that-be that he has got to stay. But I understand it from Shay's point of view. He's done 11 years at Newcastle and he wants a new challenge." JFK is obviously completely insane, therefore the only person qualified to managed this football club mackems.gif Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
GM Posted January 30, 2009 Share Posted January 30, 2009 What are the odds on Kinnear having a coronary before the end of the transfer window? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest ObaStar Posted January 30, 2009 Share Posted January 30, 2009 remember the end of last season. Keegan had all the players playing so much better than under Allardyce. This is what it means to be a good manager. Have the players perform above their level Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baggio Posted January 30, 2009 Share Posted January 30, 2009 remember the end of last season. Keegan had all the players playing so much better than under Allardyce. This is what it means to be a good manager. Have the players perform above their level Against Chelsea and Everton? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest ObaStar Posted January 30, 2009 Share Posted January 30, 2009 Chelsea we were outclassed, Everton was the last game of the season and we didn't give a shit. Think about that run of 6 or 7 games before that. The wins over Sunderland, Spurs, Fulham. The 4-3-3 formation with Owen, Martins and Viduka all scoring consistently. Butt playing his best football at newcastle. First 2 games in charge this season. Draw at old trafford and win over Bolton Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baggio Posted January 30, 2009 Share Posted January 30, 2009 Chelsea we were outclassed, Everton was the last game of the season and we didn't give a shit. Think about that run of 6 or 7 games before that. The wins over Sunderland, Spurs, Fulham. The 4-3-3 formation with Owen, Martins and Viduka all scoring consistently. Butt playing his best football at newcastle. First 2 games in charge this season. Draw at old trafford and win over Bolton He won 4 games out of 16 last season against teams that finished 11th, 15th, 17th and 18th. Lets not get carried away. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yorkie Posted January 30, 2009 Share Posted January 30, 2009 Chelsea we were outclassed, Everton was the last game of the season and we didn't give a shit. Think about that run of 6 or 7 games before that. The wins over Sunderland, Spurs, Fulham. The 4-3-3 formation with Owen, Martins and Viduka all scoring consistently. Butt playing his best football at newcastle. First 2 games in charge this season. Draw at old trafford and win over Bolton He won 4 games out of 16 last season against teams that finished 11th, 15th, 17th and 18th. Lets not get carried away. Give it a rest. ..... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrmojorisin75 Posted February 1, 2009 Share Posted February 1, 2009 http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/2009/jan/31/paul-hayward-on-joe-kinnear-at-newcastle-united ignoring the shite like nicky butt and kevin nolan look like a good partnership it's bang on the money about JFK Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Filflop1 Posted February 1, 2009 Share Posted February 1, 2009 The clubs is not settled as a whole so i'd say no the place is a mess and he is part of it, but i go for Adams Pompey do not have the problems we do Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tooj Posted February 1, 2009 Share Posted February 1, 2009 Chelsea we were outclassed, Everton was the last game of the season and we didn't give a shit. Think about that run of 6 or 7 games before that. The wins over Sunderland, Spurs, Fulham. The 4-3-3 formation with Owen, Martins and Viduka all scoring consistently. Butt playing his best football at newcastle. First 2 games in charge this season. Draw at old trafford and win over Bolton He won 4 games out of 16 last season against teams that finished 11th, 15th, 17th and 18th. Lets not get carried away. We still looked a lot better as a team than we had done for quite a while though. Even you must admit that? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robster Posted February 1, 2009 Share Posted February 1, 2009 http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/2009/jan/31/paul-hayward-on-joe-kinnear-at-newcastle-united ignoring the shite like nicky butt and kevin nolan look like a good partnership it's bang on the money about JFK Yeah, good article that. Especially the point about the possibility of agents getting straight on the phone when he suggested Ashley was "just about" paying the wages Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thespence Posted February 1, 2009 Share Posted February 1, 2009 http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/2009/jan/31/paul-hayward-on-joe-kinnear-at-newcastle-united Loudmouth Kinnear is two decades out of touch to be a messiah or a manager With training-ground fights, sideline scuffles and repeated verbal rants, Joe Kinnear has put on an entertaining show at Newcastle – but all the fans really want to see is their club avoid relegation Any minute now Newcastle United could erupt into a scene from Gangs of New York and settle all their differences in one bloody go in a running battle through Tyneside. Sporadic discord is maturing into daily strife. Joe Kinnear's one-man cabaret, loosely known as "Oi – Bring Back the Eighties!", is the voiceover to players fighting on the training ground, a goalkeeper of 12 years' distinguished service fleeing to Manchester City and Charles N'Zogbia threatening to go on strike in protest at the manager referring to him as "Charles Insomnia". Kinnear's vocabulary is borrowed from an age when Vinnie Jones was actually allowed to write "professional footballer" on a mortgage application, rather than "mockney thespian", which he was all along. According to Newcastle's current boss, Martin Atkinson is a "Mickey Mouse referee" and other candidates for his radioactive hot-seat "didn't have the arsehole" to say yes to the job. One wonders whether, just once, for posterity, Arsène Wenger could be persuaded in a press conference to say someone "didn't have the arsehole" for something. It would sound so good in a French accent. Old Joe's now infamous press conference tirade, meanwhile, could have been an out-take from Mike Bassett. Then there is all that ritualised defiance. "I have a serious amount of courage," Kinnear said as Shay Given went to speak to City and Kevin Nolan arrived for £4m from Bolton. "People say I'm mad, but I have the bottle to do this job." Fans of The Mighty Boosh will recall The Hitcher intoning with a dollop of menace: "I'm a cockney nut-job." All very amusing for middle‑class southerners, but Newcastle's supporters are entitled to cry: that joke isn't funny any more. People are always looking to stick a pin on the chart of Newcastle's agonies to mark the real nadir and they may yet find the right moment with the club's relegation. To coincide with Sunderland's visit today, Michael Owen has damaged ankle ligaments and will be out for at least six weeks, Joey Barton has sustained what might be thought of as a karma injury to his foot, N'Zogbia is in a mammoth sulk and Given, the club's spiritual leader, has given up on the idea that these indignities might ever cease. With 23 points from as many games and discord rampant, Newcastle are deeply imperilled. Nolan and Nicky Butt have the look of a decent central midfield partnership and Obafemi Martins and Mark Viduka are on the way back from injury to help fill the void left by Owen's latest accident. But the maelstrom has acquired its own vicious momentum, turning player against player, and ex-players against the team. When Mick Quinn, the amply proportioned ex-Newcastle striker, told the local Chronicle that N'Zogbia has a "heart the size of a peanut", he expressed the disgust sweeping though one of football's most ardent congregations. It would be absurd to nail years of mismanagement to Kinnear's totem pole, but there are plenty of steps he can take now to concentrate attention on the only real show in town: the scramble to avoid relegation. The first is to stop talking: to stop saying, "Mike [Ashley, the club's owner] has lost £2bn in his own business because of the credit crunch. It's not easy for him. He's paying the wages, just about. But it's in the records, you just have to look." "Paying the wages, just about." No phrase could have a sharper prune‑juice effect in a dressing room. In that moment, dozens of fingers probably punched numbers into mobiles. Agents grabbed at their iPhones. Even those sure that the money would keep rolling into their accounts would have extrapolated from Kinnear's personal Mansion House speech a collapse in the transfer budget, and therefore desperately hard times ahead. It is impossible to see what Kinnear hoped to gain by such an alarmist statement, which contained figures plucked from the air. Another sphere in which economy of language will assist the fight is in his dealings with match officials. Three improper conduct charges is going some even for a former patriarch of the Crazy Gang. When he took the job Kinnear appeared to accept that he was a mere caretaker, hired to help Ashley out of a hole. Then ambition kicked in and he became the stubborn messiah in his own private movie. He convinced himself that getting sent to the stands was some kind of declaration of intent. He became the story. And it's not well thought-out or constructed. The only tale worth telling is how Newcastle will survive in the Premier League. JFK going to talked about on the Sunday Supp & the chap who wrote the above is on the show as well, along with a Mackem. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robster Posted February 1, 2009 Share Posted February 1, 2009 JFK going to talked about on the Sunday Supp & the chap who wrote the above is on the show as well, along with a Mackem. Going to be a very pro-NUFC programme then Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
toontownman Posted February 1, 2009 Share Posted February 1, 2009 Sbragia, Adams, Southgate there are the odd ones out there questionable. But it depends on the situation they are in and given. JFK is like a common, demented talentless version of SBR. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
James Posted February 1, 2009 Share Posted February 1, 2009 Sbragia, Adams, Southgate there are the odd ones out there questionable. But it depends on the situation they are in and given. JFK is like a common, demented talentless version of SBR. That's a massive insult to Sir Bobby. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dokko Posted February 1, 2009 Share Posted February 1, 2009 Sbragia, Adams, Southgate there are the odd ones out there questionable. But it depends on the situation they are in and given. JFK is like a common, demented talentless version of SBR. That's a massive insult to Sir Bobby. What i was thinking as well. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SUPERTOON Posted February 1, 2009 Share Posted February 1, 2009 Our second half team has proved that he is. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shearergol Posted February 1, 2009 Share Posted February 1, 2009 Our second half team has proved that he is. He probably is, but he's got Butt and Ameobi to thank for a lot of it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SUPERTOON Posted February 1, 2009 Share Posted February 1, 2009 Our second half team has proved that he is. He probably is, but he's got Butt and Ameobi to thank for a lot of it. He is the one picking them, or keeping them on when they are clearly not good enough. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shearergol Posted February 1, 2009 Share Posted February 1, 2009 Our second half team has proved that he is. He probably is, but he's got Butt and Ameobi to thank for a lot of it. He is the one picking them, or keeping them on when they are clearly not good enough. Every Newcastle manager, including Keegan, picked Nicky Butt. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrmojorisin75 Posted February 2, 2009 Share Posted February 2, 2009 there was a stat of the game yesterday and it was that 25% of the game was played in the middle 3rd of the park, now while there were obviously 2 teams on the pitch JFK's tactics and team selection had a big bearing on that stat shite midfield, 2 huge fuckers up front...we're not gonna be challenging barca or arsenal for the quality of our passing football are we? hate JFK, the cunt (a fitting expletive) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thespence Posted February 12, 2009 Share Posted February 12, 2009 Decca on JFK: Llambias said: “Joe has incredible experience. “He’s got incredible vision and he’s a good man manager. We think he’s a good fit for us, he’s realistic of what he’s looking for. “He’s what we are looking for. Whether he takes the contract, we don’t know. And if he doesn’t we’ll review the situation and we’ll go out again and find somebody else. “Joe is a football man, he’s qualified. We have confidence in him. Joe will do a good job and he will get us out the crap we’re in.” http://www.journallive.co.uk/nufc/nufc-latest-news/2009/02/12/joe-s-nufc-future-is-in-doubt-61634-22912391/ Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrmojorisin75 Posted February 12, 2009 Share Posted February 12, 2009 Decca on JFK: Llambias said: “Joe has incredible experience. “He’s got incredible vision and he’s a good man manager. We think he’s a good fit for us, he’s realistic of what he’s looking for. “He’s what we are looking for. Whether he takes the contract, we don’t know. And if he doesn’t we’ll review the situation and we’ll go out again and find somebody else. “Joe is a football man, he’s qualified. We have confidence in him. Joe will do a good job and he will get us out the crap we’re in.” http://www.journallive.co.uk/nufc/nufc-latest-news/2009/02/12/joe-s-nufc-future-is-in-doubt-61634-22912391/ wow Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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