BOYCOTT the protest rally !!

[Parky]

Agree 100% with the opening post. NUSC have got a right to protest, and a right to have their say but not at this stage of the season. Organise one for the final game and no-one will complain. This protest is about getting media coverage to put pressure onto Mike, which is fair enough if theres a positive outcome, but at this stage we cant buy any new players, we cant get a new owner, and we cant change the manager because hes on the sick, and the club have already opened dialogue with the fans, what more can you expect at the moment?

 

Cancel the protest. Support the Team.

 

Irony?

 

Ignorance?

 

If all protests were guaranteed positive outcomes the traffic in London would be at a standstill for months. Don't attach unrealistic caveats.

[AyeDubbleYoo]

Such people boil my piss and deserve anything they get.

 

But what if my belief is that the protests will be harmful and futile? Then surely I would be sticking to my principles much more by not attending?

 

To be honest I'm not bothered if I come across as one of those people that 'boil your piss' or not, my reasons for thinking the protest is a bad idea are clear.

 

Another example, shared by NUSC it seems, of the basic assumption that everyone must want Ashley out.

 

I'm not staying away from protesting because I want Ashley out but think the protest won't work. I'm staying away because I want to give him a chance to make things work.

 

Where are you getting the idea they think EVERYONE wants Ashley out?

 

I don't mean literally every single person, what I mean is a lot of people assume that it's the only sensible viewpoint. I've got this impression from listening to the NUSC meeting and many responses I've read on this forum.

 

I don't think I'm wrong on this one.

[Parky]

 

The protest is because people are deeply unhappy about the way their beloved club is being ran and unlike the fucking saps, they are actually trying to do something about it because they're clever enough to realise that we are the clubs greatest asset.

 

Now if everyone was a Superfan and "just turned up no matter who owns it, who plays for us" they could asset strip and take the piss for as long as it takes to find a buyer, that is beyond fucking stupid, but its the type of thing they're having to deal with by utter muppets with myopia.

 

Asset strip?   Do you know what asset stripping it?  These people you're referring to are so clever they don't even realise this club is in financial meltdown.  They seem to think every penny they put into the club should be free to spend on players.  "Where's the season ticket money gone".. its been used to pay Damien fucking Duff you cretin!

 

So what's the difference between us and the other 80% of the PL in debt?

[Benwell Lad]

Our team is struggling against it's worst ever injury crisis and some terrible refereeing decisions, our manager is in hospital awaiting heart surgery, our senior management team are desperately trying to create some stability and we have 13 of the most important games in our history coming up.  So what do the so called "Newcastle United Supporters Club" do - they organise a protest march to be played out for the benefit of TV cameras and the London based tabloids immediately before an important game.  You just couldn't make it up !

Does anyone suppose the supporters of West Brom, Middlesbrough, Portsmouth, Tottenham, Bolton, Sunderland or anyone else may be contemplating doing the same ? Not likely - they'll be supporting their teams as normal and having (yet another) laugh at our expense.

No doubt the protest march will attract the usual self important rent-a-quotes and (non match attending) slack jawed charvas to grin, sing and provide the usual soundbites for the nation's amusement. Sky TV and certain hacks must be salivating at the prospect already.

 

Could I suggest that instead of a distracting protest march, Newcastle fans do something REALLY extraordinary like getting to the stadium 15 minutes early and creating a rocking atmosphere to help our team win a match which will be the first of 13 "cup finals" we will play between now and the end of the season.

 

Our team is struggling due to lack of investment.

 

Investment ?  Get real.

Borrowed again from the Grauniad.

 

Accounts recently published by Newcastle, for the year to June 2008, show how much more generous Ashley's contribution has been already, with debts paid off and £100m loaned interest free to the club, compared to the millions relentlessly earned from the club by the Halls and Shepherds. When Sir John, the Gateshead shopping-centre magnate, took over Newcastle, he promised that the club would herald north-east regeneration and revive the "Geordie nation". Whatever the outcome of that, the club certainly became hugely profitable for Sir John and his family.

 

The Halls and Freddy Shepherd, who became a director alongside them, took no salaries for the first few years, then made up for it in 1996: Sir John was paid £836,803, Douglas Hall £793,612 and Shepherd £750,000. The accounts said the payment "recognises the fact that the directors received no remuneration prior to this year".

 

Shepherd, who staunchly defends his and the Halls' record of achievement at Newcastle, acknowledged that after the club floated on the stockmarket in 1997, they never contributed money for the club to invest. Before that, he said, they had guaranteed loans – documents at the time noted that £3.5m of the club's borrowings were guaranteed by the Halls' company, Cameron Hall, and that Cameron Hall had loaned the club money, at 11% interest.

 

The latest accounts provide a final reckoning on the Shepherds' and Halls' era because they sold all their shares to Ashley in June 2007 and have also resigned as directors. Altogether, the two families made an extraordinary £145.8m from their years of involvement – the Halls made £95.7m, the Shepherds £50.1m, mostly in salaries, dividends and ultimately selling their shares. The Halls had already made £20.35m from selling portions of their shares before Ashley paid £55m for their remaining stake. Shepherd did not want to sell – he had steadily bought more shares – but was effectively forced to – Ashley paid Freddie and Bruce £38m. Shepherd did not receive a pay-off when he resigned as a director in July 2007 but Douglas Hall, paid a £494,655 salary package in 2007 via a Newcastle United company registered in the tax haven of Gibraltar, was entitled to two years' pay in compensation and received an additional £1.17m when he resigned.

 

The unrest and despondency on Tyneside now make it easy to forget how Ashley's arrival put a smile on local faces, a new owner who watched matches with supporters, drank on the Bigg Market and had £1bn in his pocket, too.  The accounts show that having bought the club for £134m, Ashley paid off borrowings of £43m and cleared the overdraft, lending the club £100m on which he has chosen to waive interest. He has not declared a dividend nor paid himself a salary. In short, he has put a chunk of his considerable fortune on the line, and not taken a penny out.[/b]

[Parky]

Such people boil my piss and deserve anything they get.

 

But what if my belief is that the protests will be harmful and futile? Then surely I would be sticking to my principles much more by not attending?

 

To be honest I'm not bothered if I come across as one of those people that 'boil your piss' or not, my reasons for thinking the protest is a bad idea are clear.

 

Another example, shared by NUSC it seems, of the basic assumption that everyone must want Ashley out.

 

I'm not staying away from protesting because I want Ashley out but think the protest won't work. I'm staying away because I want to give him a chance to make things work.

 

Where are you getting the idea they think EVERYONE wants Ashley out?

 

I don't mean literally every single person, what I mean is a lot of people assume that it's the only sensible viewpoint. I've got this impression from listening to the NUSC meeting and many responses I've read on this forum.

 

I don't think I'm wrong on this one.

 

They have repeatedly asked for dialogue and engagement with Ashley. The reported from the Mirror also commented how the club don't even reply to press e mails. It's no longer an Ashley out one agenda organization. It has to be realistic and open to ideas to work. That is why it is growing. Mistakes are always made and they have owned up to their mistakes which imo is a good sign.

[TRon]

Parky, here's an idea which the NUSC can use: instead of protest rallies or Ashley Out agendas, why not use links with the press to ask legitemate questions about the running of the club? Such as what qualifies Joe Kinnear to earn a new two year contract at a club like Newcastle United and what does it say about our ambition?

[AyeDubbleYoo]

Such people boil my piss and deserve anything they get.

 

But what if my belief is that the protests will be harmful and futile? Then surely I would be sticking to my principles much more by not attending?

 

To be honest I'm not bothered if I come across as one of those people that 'boil your piss' or not, my reasons for thinking the protest is a bad idea are clear.

 

Another example, shared by NUSC it seems, of the basic assumption that everyone must want Ashley out.

 

I'm not staying away from protesting because I want Ashley out but think the protest won't work. I'm staying away because I want to give him a chance to make things work.

 

Where are you getting the idea they think EVERYONE wants Ashley out?

 

I don't mean literally every single person, what I mean is a lot of people assume that it's the only sensible viewpoint. I've got this impression from listening to the NUSC meeting and many responses I've read on this forum.

 

I don't think I'm wrong on this one.

 

They have repeatedly asked for dialogue and engagement with Ashley. The reported from the Mirror also commented how the club don't even reply to press e mails. It's no longer an Ashley out one agenda organization. It has to be realistic and open to ideas to work. That is why it is growing. Mistakes are always made and they have owned up to their mistakes which imo is a good sign.

 

Fair enough, we'll have to agree to disagree, don't want to go over the same argument yet again.

 

To me any move towards reconciliation seems to be token at best. Why say you want communication, then get some, then still organise a protest rally?

[Parky]

Parky, here's an idea which the NUSC can use: instead of protest rallies or Ashley Out agendas, why not use links with the press to ask legitemate questions about the running of the club? Such as what qualifies Joe Kinnear to earn a new two year contract at a club like Newcastle United and what does it say about our ambition?

 

Good question.

 

e mail it to NUSC.

[Teasy]

 

The protest is because people are deeply unhappy about the way their beloved club is being ran and unlike the fucking saps, they are actually trying to do something about it because they're clever enough to realise that we are the clubs greatest asset.

 

Now if everyone was a Superfan and "just turned up no matter who owns it, who plays for us" they could asset strip and take the piss for as long as it takes to find a buyer, that is beyond fucking stupid, but its the type of thing they're having to deal with by utter muppets with myopia.

 

Asset strip?   Do you know what asset stripping it?  These people you're referring to are so clever they don't even realise this club is in financial meltdown.  They seem to think every penny they put into the club should be free to spend on players.  "Where's the season ticket money gone".. its been used to pay Damien fucking Duff you cretin!

 

So what's the difference between us and the other 80% of the PL in debt?

 

The difference is a controlled debt which you can afford the repayments on and a debt continually spiralling out of control.  £35 million down a hole last year alone for fuck sake!!  80% of PL clubs are not bleeding anywhere near that kind of money.  The majority of them would be bankrupt in no time if they did.

[Parky]

Such people boil my piss and deserve anything they get.

 

But what if my belief is that the protests will be harmful and futile? Then surely I would be sticking to my principles much more by not attending?

 

To be honest I'm not bothered if I come across as one of those people that 'boil your piss' or not, my reasons for thinking the protest is a bad idea are clear.

 

Another example, shared by NUSC it seems, of the basic assumption that everyone must want Ashley out.

 

I'm not staying away from protesting because I want Ashley out but think the protest won't work. I'm staying away because I want to give him a chance to make things work.

 

Where are you getting the idea they think EVERYONE wants Ashley out?

 

I don't mean literally every single person, what I mean is a lot of people assume that it's the only sensible viewpoint. I've got this impression from listening to the NUSC meeting and many responses I've read on this forum.

 

I don't think I'm wrong on this one.

 

They have repeatedly asked for dialogue and engagement with Ashley. The reported from the Mirror also commented how the club don't even reply to press e mails. It's no longer an Ashley out one agenda organization. It has to be realistic and open to ideas to work. That is why it is growing. Mistakes are always made and they have owned up to their mistakes which imo is a good sign.

 

Fair enough, we'll have to agree to disagree, don't want to go over the same argument yet again.

 

To me any move towards reconciliation seems to be token at best. Why say you want communication, then get some, then still organise a protest rally?

 

Carrot and stick?

[Parky]

 

The protest is because people are deeply unhappy about the way their beloved club is being ran and unlike the fucking saps, they are actually trying to do something about it because they're clever enough to realise that we are the clubs greatest asset.

 

Now if everyone was a Superfan and "just turned up no matter who owns it, who plays for us" they could asset strip and take the piss for as long as it takes to find a buyer, that is beyond fucking stupid, but its the type of thing they're having to deal with by utter muppets with myopia.

 

Asset strip?   Do you know what asset stripping it?  These people you're referring to are so clever they don't even realise this club is in financial meltdown.  They seem to think every penny they put into the club should be free to spend on players.  "Where's the season ticket money gone".. its been used to pay Damien fucking Duff you cretin!

 

So what's the difference between us and the other 80% of the PL in debt?

 

Having a debt isn't a problem as long as you can afford the interest ect.  The problem is a debt that's spiralling out of control year after year.  £35 million down a hole last year alone for fuck sake!!  80% of PL clubs are not bleeding anywhere near that kind of money.  The majority of them would be bankrupt in no time if they did.

 

I suggest you take a look at the accounts of other clubs. I have.

[Parky]

Our team is struggling against it's worst ever injury crisis and some terrible refereeing decisions, our manager is in hospital awaiting heart surgery, our senior management team are desperately trying to create some stability and we have 13 of the most important games in our history coming up.  So what do the so called "Newcastle United Supporters Club" do - they organise a protest march to be played out for the benefit of TV cameras and the London based tabloids immediately before an important game.  You just couldn't make it up !

Does anyone suppose the supporters of West Brom, Middlesbrough, Portsmouth, Tottenham, Bolton, Sunderland or anyone else may be contemplating doing the same ? Not likely - they'll be supporting their teams as normal and having (yet another) laugh at our expense.

No doubt the protest march will attract the usual self important rent-a-quotes and (non match attending) slack jawed charvas to grin, sing and provide the usual soundbites for the nation's amusement. Sky TV and certain hacks must be salivating at the prospect already.

 

Could I suggest that instead of a distracting protest march, Newcastle fans do something REALLY extraordinary like getting to the stadium 15 minutes early and creating a rocking atmosphere to help our team win a match which will be the first of 13 "cup finals" we will play between now and the end of the season.

 

Our team is struggling due to lack of investment.

 

Investment ?  Get real.

Borrowed again from the Grauniad.

 

Accounts recently published by Newcastle, for the year to June 2008, show how much more generous Ashley's contribution has been already, with debts paid off and £100m loaned interest free to the club, compared to the millions relentlessly earned from the club by the Halls and Shepherds. When Sir John, the Gateshead shopping-centre magnate, took over Newcastle, he promised that the club would herald north-east regeneration and revive the "Geordie nation". Whatever the outcome of that, the club certainly became hugely profitable for Sir John and his family.

 

The Halls and Freddy Shepherd, who became a director alongside them, took no salaries for the first few years, then made up for it in 1996: Sir John was paid £836,803, Douglas Hall £793,612 and Shepherd £750,000. The accounts said the payment "recognises the fact that the directors received no remuneration prior to this year".

 

Shepherd, who staunchly defends his and the Halls' record of achievement at Newcastle, acknowledged that after the club floated on the stockmarket in 1997, they never contributed money for the club to invest. Before that, he said, they had guaranteed loans – documents at the time noted that £3.5m of the club's borrowings were guaranteed by the Halls' company, Cameron Hall, and that Cameron Hall had loaned the club money, at 11% interest.

 

The latest accounts provide a final reckoning on the Shepherds' and Halls' era because they sold all their shares to Ashley in June 2007 and have also resigned as directors. Altogether, the two families made an extraordinary £145.8m from their years of involvement – the Halls made £95.7m, the Shepherds £50.1m, mostly in salaries, dividends and ultimately selling their shares. The Halls had already made £20.35m from selling portions of their shares before Ashley paid £55m for their remaining stake. Shepherd did not want to sell – he had steadily bought more shares – but was effectively forced to – Ashley paid Freddie and Bruce £38m. Shepherd did not receive a pay-off when he resigned as a director in July 2007 but Douglas Hall, paid a £494,655 salary package in 2007 via a Newcastle United company registered in the tax haven of Gibraltar, was entitled to two years' pay in compensation and received an additional £1.17m when he resigned.

 

The unrest and despondency on Tyneside now make it easy to forget how Ashley's arrival put a smile on local faces, a new owner who watched matches with supporters, drank on the Bigg Market and had £1bn in his pocket, too.  The accounts show that having bought the club for £134m, Ashley paid off borrowings of £43m and cleared the overdraft, lending the club £100m on which he has chosen to waive interest. He has not declared a dividend nor paid himself a salary. In short, he has put a chunk of his considerable fortune on the line, and not taken a penny out.[/b]

 

Yes.

 

So Ashley has got in above his head.

 

Our fault?

[relámpago blanco]

What is the protest for?  To get Ashley out, he tried selling the club and couldn't, are these people that retarded they don't realise a recession is going on,  Billionaires are now millionaires, just like Ashley.  He tried selling it but couldn't do you want him to give away half of his worth for nowt, would you?

 

The protest is because people are deeply unhappy about the way their beloved club is being ran and unlike the f***ing saps, they are actually trying to do something about it because they're clever enough to realise that we are the clubs greatest asset.

 

Now if everyone was a Superfan and "just turned up no matter who owns it, who plays for us" they could asset strip and take the piss for as long as it takes to find a buyer, that is beyond f***ing stupid, but its the type of thing they're having to deal with by utter muppets with myopia.

 

He could sell it if he wasnt wanting so much for it and if he continues to run it the way he is, the price is only going to come down.

 

The NUSC claim to speak on behalf of the fans, they'll speak on behalf of their members, so why not join up and give them yours?

 

I applaud them for doing what they're doing, but they're destined to fail because there are too many halfwits, too many opinions and too many people who are now apathetic.

 

 

NUSC ignore what you say unless you agree with exactly what they say, whenever people say anything other than Ashley out, cockney mafia, wise is evil etc they ignore you.  I am not happy about the way the club is run, but I'm clever enough to realise protesting against the clubs management when we are in the most dire straights since the late 80s early 90s is not sensible until we are safe.

 

Like I said I'm not pro-Ashley, but he tried to sell and would have taken what he paid, but that didn't come along, the bloke is in danger of losing all his money in this current financial climate, he needs as much as he can get for the club.

 

Strange they should hold open meetings then.

Very funny, you know there is a small group of them that pretty much decide everything,  I agree with some of their views but not in the way the operate.

 

Join and then you can vote on what they decide. Simple really.

Why would I want to join a  group with views that oppose some of my own?  It would be like joining an anti-hunting lobby when I like hunting.  Are you a member?

 

What views of yours do they oppose?

Protesting before a match when it will do no good and I'm not pro-ashley but I do think what he is doing will benefit the club financially provided we keep our premiership status.  We couldn't keep on spending like a champions league club when we weren't in it.

[Teasy]

 

The protest is because people are deeply unhappy about the way their beloved club is being ran and unlike the fucking saps, they are actually trying to do something about it because they're clever enough to realise that we are the clubs greatest asset.

 

Now if everyone was a Superfan and "just turned up no matter who owns it, who plays for us" they could asset strip and take the piss for as long as it takes to find a buyer, that is beyond fucking stupid, but its the type of thing they're having to deal with by utter muppets with myopia.

 

Asset strip?   Do you know what asset stripping it?  These people you're referring to are so clever they don't even realise this club is in financial meltdown.  They seem to think every penny they put into the club should be free to spend on players.  "Where's the season ticket money gone".. its been used to pay Damien fucking Duff you cretin!

 

So what's the difference between us and the other 80% of the PL in debt?

 

Having a debt isn't a problem as long as you can afford the interest ect.  The problem is a debt that's spiralling out of control year after year.  £35 million down a hole last year alone for fuck sake!!  80% of PL clubs are not bleeding anywhere near that kind of money.  The majority of them would be bankrupt in no time if they did.

 

I suggest you take a look at the accounts of other clubs. I have.

 

Which clubs?  The other clubs in the league that have been run into the ground?

[Parky]

What is the protest for?  To get Ashley out, he tried selling the club and couldn't, are these people that retarded they don't realise a recession is going on,  Billionaires are now millionaires, just like Ashley.  He tried selling it but couldn't do you want him to give away half of his worth for nowt, would you?

 

The protest is because people are deeply unhappy about the way their beloved club is being ran and unlike the f***ing saps, they are actually trying to do something about it because they're clever enough to realise that we are the clubs greatest asset.

 

Now if everyone was a Superfan and "just turned up no matter who owns it, who plays for us" they could asset strip and take the piss for as long as it takes to find a buyer, that is beyond f***ing stupid, but its the type of thing they're having to deal with by utter muppets with myopia.

 

He could sell it if he wasnt wanting so much for it and if he continues to run it the way he is, the price is only going to come down.

 

The NUSC claim to speak on behalf of the fans, they'll speak on behalf of their members, so why not join up and give them yours?

 

I applaud them for doing what they're doing, but they're destined to fail because there are too many halfwits, too many opinions and too many people who are now apathetic.

 

 

NUSC ignore what you say unless you agree with exactly what they say, whenever people say anything other than Ashley out, cockney mafia, wise is evil etc they ignore you.  I am not happy about the way the club is run, but I'm clever enough to realise protesting against the clubs management when we are in the most dire straights since the late 80s early 90s is not sensible until we are safe.

 

Like I said I'm not pro-Ashley, but he tried to sell and would have taken what he paid, but that didn't come along, the bloke is in danger of losing all his money in this current financial climate, he needs as much as he can get for the club.

 

Strange they should hold open meetings then.

Very funny, you know there is a small group of them that pretty much decide everything,  I agree with some of their views but not in the way the operate.

 

Join and then you can vote on what they decide. Simple really.

Why would I want to join a  group with views that oppose some of my own?  It would be like joining an anti-hunting lobby when I like hunting.  Are you a member?

 

What views of yours do they oppose?

Protesting before a match when it will do no good and I'm not pro-ashley but I do think what he is doing will benefit the club financially provided we keep our premiership status.  We couldn't keep on spending like a champions league club when we weren't in it.

 

I agree to an extent with all of that.

 

 

[TRon]

Our team is struggling against it's worst ever injury crisis and some terrible refereeing decisions, our manager is in hospital awaiting heart surgery, our senior management team are desperately trying to create some stability and we have 13 of the most important games in our history coming up.  So what do the so called "Newcastle United Supporters Club" do - they organise a protest march to be played out for the benefit of TV cameras and the London based tabloids immediately before an important game.  You just couldn't make it up !

Does anyone suppose the supporters of West Brom, Middlesbrough, Portsmouth, Tottenham, Bolton, Sunderland or anyone else may be contemplating doing the same ? Not likely - they'll be supporting their teams as normal and having (yet another) laugh at our expense.

No doubt the protest march will attract the usual self important rent-a-quotes and (non match attending) slack jawed charvas to grin, sing and provide the usual soundbites for the nation's amusement. Sky TV and certain hacks must be salivating at the prospect already.

 

Could I suggest that instead of a distracting protest march, Newcastle fans do something REALLY extraordinary like getting to the stadium 15 minutes early and creating a rocking atmosphere to help our team win a match which will be the first of 13 "cup finals" we will play between now and the end of the season.

 

Our team is struggling due to lack of investment.

 

Investment ?  Get real.

Borrowed again from the Grauniad.

 

Accounts recently published by Newcastle, for the year to June 2008, show how much more generous Ashley's contribution has been already, with debts paid off and £100m loaned interest free to the club, compared to the millions relentlessly earned from the club by the Halls and Shepherds. When Sir John, the Gateshead shopping-centre magnate, took over Newcastle, he promised that the club would herald north-east regeneration and revive the "Geordie nation". Whatever the outcome of that, the club certainly became hugely profitable for Sir John and his family.

 

The Halls and Freddy Shepherd, who became a director alongside them, took no salaries for the first few years, then made up for it in 1996: Sir John was paid £836,803, Douglas Hall £793,612 and Shepherd £750,000. The accounts said the payment "recognises the fact that the directors received no remuneration prior to this year".

 

Shepherd, who staunchly defends his and the Halls' record of achievement at Newcastle, acknowledged that after the club floated on the stockmarket in 1997, they never contributed money for the club to invest. Before that, he said, they had guaranteed loans documents at the time noted that £3.5m of the club's borrowings were guaranteed by the Halls' company, Cameron Hall, and that Cameron Hall had loaned the club money, at 11% interest.

 

The latest accounts provide a final reckoning on the Shepherds' and Halls' era because they sold all their shares to Ashley in June 2007 and have also resigned as directors. Altogether, the two families made an extraordinary £145.8m from their years of involvement the Halls made £95.7m, the Shepherds £50.1m, mostly in salaries, dividends and ultimately selling their shares. The Halls had already made £20.35m from selling portions of their shares before Ashley paid £55m for their remaining stake. Shepherd did not want to sell he had steadily bought more shares but was effectively forced to Ashley paid Freddie and Bruce £38m. Shepherd did not receive a pay-off when he resigned as a director in July 2007 but Douglas Hall, paid a £494,655 salary package in 2007 via a Newcastle United company registered in the tax haven of Gibraltar, was entitled to two years' pay in compensation and received an additional £1.17m when he resigned.

 

The unrest and despondency on Tyneside now make it easy to forget how Ashley's arrival put a smile on local faces, a new owner who watched matches with supporters, drank on the Bigg Market and had £1bn in his pocket, too.  The accounts show that having bought the club for £134m, Ashley paid off borrowings of £43m and cleared the overdraft, lending the club £100m on which he has chosen to waive interest. He has not declared a dividend nor paid himself a salary. In short, he has put a chunk of his considerable fortune on the line, and not taken a penny out.[/b]

 

Yes.

 

So Ashley has got in above his head.

 

Our fault?

 

Who would you have preferred to Ashley? You are clearly unhappy he is here so no doubt there was an alternative?

[relámpago blanco]

What is the protest for?  To get Ashley out, he tried selling the club and couldn't, are these people that retarded they don't realise a recession is going on,  Billionaires are now millionaires, just like Ashley.  He tried selling it but couldn't do you want him to give away half of his worth for nowt, would you?

 

The protest is because people are deeply unhappy about the way their beloved club is being ran and unlike the f***ing saps, they are actually trying to do something about it because they're clever enough to realise that we are the clubs greatest asset.

 

Now if everyone was a Superfan and "just turned up no matter who owns it, who plays for us" they could asset strip and take the piss for as long as it takes to find a buyer, that is beyond f***ing stupid, but its the type of thing they're having to deal with by utter muppets with myopia.

 

He could sell it if he wasnt wanting so much for it and if he continues to run it the way he is, the price is only going to come down.

 

The NUSC claim to speak on behalf of the fans, they'll speak on behalf of their members, so why not join up and give them yours?

 

I applaud them for doing what they're doing, but they're destined to fail because there are too many halfwits, too many opinions and too many people who are now apathetic.

 

 

NUSC ignore what you say unless you agree with exactly what they say, whenever people say anything other than Ashley out, cockney mafia, wise is evil etc they ignore you.  I am not happy about the way the club is run, but I'm clever enough to realise protesting against the clubs management when we are in the most dire straights since the late 80s early 90s is not sensible until we are safe.

 

Like I said I'm not pro-Ashley, but he tried to sell and would have taken what he paid, but that didn't come along, the bloke is in danger of losing all his money in this current financial climate, he needs as much as he can get for the club.

 

Strange they should hold open meetings then.

Very funny, you know there is a small group of them that pretty much decide everything,  I agree with some of their views but not in the way the operate.

 

Join and then you can vote on what they decide. Simple really.

Why would I want to join a  group with views that oppose some of my own?  It would be like joining an anti-hunting lobby when I like hunting.  Are you a member?

 

What views of yours do they oppose?

Protesting before a match when it will do no good and I'm not pro-ashley but I do think what he is doing will benefit the club financially provided we keep our premiership status.  We couldn't keep on spending like a champions league club when we weren't in it.

 

I agree to an extent with all of that.

 

 

Are you a member Parky?

[Parky]

 

The protest is because people are deeply unhappy about the way their beloved club is being ran and unlike the fucking saps, they are actually trying to do something about it because they're clever enough to realise that we are the clubs greatest asset.

 

Now if everyone was a Superfan and "just turned up no matter who owns it, who plays for us" they could asset strip and take the piss for as long as it takes to find a buyer, that is beyond fucking stupid, but its the type of thing they're having to deal with by utter muppets with myopia.

 

Asset strip?   Do you know what asset stripping it?  These people you're referring to are so clever they don't even realise this club is in financial meltdown.  They seem to think every penny they put into the club should be free to spend on players.  "Where's the season ticket money gone".. its been used to pay Damien fucking Duff you cretin!

 

So what's the difference between us and the other 80% of the PL in debt?

 

Having a debt isn't a problem as long as you can afford the interest ect.  The problem is a debt that's spiralling out of control year after year.  £35 million down a hole last year alone for fuck sake!!  80% of PL clubs are not bleeding anywhere near that kind of money.  The majority of them would be bankrupt in no time if they did.

 

I suggest you take a look at the accounts of other clubs. I have.

 

Which clubs?  The other clubs in the league that have been run into the ground?

 

You can easily google PL clubs and their debt.

 

Everton for instance.

 

Wages higher than income.

 

Surprised?

[Parky]

What is the protest for?  To get Ashley out, he tried selling the club and couldn't, are these people that retarded they don't realise a recession is going on,  Billionaires are now millionaires, just like Ashley.  He tried selling it but couldn't do you want him to give away half of his worth for nowt, would you?

 

The protest is because people are deeply unhappy about the way their beloved club is being ran and unlike the f***ing saps, they are actually trying to do something about it because they're clever enough to realise that we are the clubs greatest asset.

 

Now if everyone was a Superfan and "just turned up no matter who owns it, who plays for us" they could asset strip and take the piss for as long as it takes to find a buyer, that is beyond f***ing stupid, but its the type of thing they're having to deal with by utter muppets with myopia.

 

He could sell it if he wasnt wanting so much for it and if he continues to run it the way he is, the price is only going to come down.

 

The NUSC claim to speak on behalf of the fans, they'll speak on behalf of their members, so why not join up and give them yours?

 

I applaud them for doing what they're doing, but they're destined to fail because there are too many halfwits, too many opinions and too many people who are now apathetic.

 

 

NUSC ignore what you say unless you agree with exactly what they say, whenever people say anything other than Ashley out, cockney mafia, wise is evil etc they ignore you.  I am not happy about the way the club is run, but I'm clever enough to realise protesting against the clubs management when we are in the most dire straights since the late 80s early 90s is not sensible until we are safe.

 

Like I said I'm not pro-Ashley, but he tried to sell and would have taken what he paid, but that didn't come along, the bloke is in danger of losing all his money in this current financial climate, he needs as much as he can get for the club.

 

Strange they should hold open meetings then.

Very funny, you know there is a small group of them that pretty much decide everything,  I agree with some of their views but not in the way the operate.

 

Join and then you can vote on what they decide. Simple really.

Why would I want to join a  group with views that oppose some of my own?  It would be like joining an anti-hunting lobby when I like hunting.  Are you a member?

 

What views of yours do they oppose?

Protesting before a match when it will do no good and I'm not pro-ashley but I do think what he is doing will benefit the club financially provided we keep our premiership status.  We couldn't keep on spending like a champions league club when we weren't in it.

 

I agree to an extent with all of that.

 

 

Are you a member Parky?

 

Yes.

[Happy Face]

Scanning the thread it seems apparent that people are purposely misconstruing saturdays "RALLY" as a "PROTEST" in order to use it as a stick to bash the NUSC with.

 

here's the definition of a rally....

 

http://www.answers.com/rally

 

To rouse or revive from inactivity or decline

To show sudden improvement in health or spirits.

A gathering, especially one intended to inspire enthusiasm for a cause

An abrupt recovery from a setback or disadvantage

A sharp improvement in health, vigor, or spirits

 

I've not seen it mentioned anywhere that it's an "Ashley out" protest.  All I've seen are T-shirt ideas with the sentiment that "NUSC love NUFC".  I've always seen it as a positive membership building move by the organisation and nothing to do with a specific point to be scored against anyone at the club.

 

Also, for anyone that thinks the NUSC have made us look a joke (Toontastic springs out) can you show me one piece of negative reporting about the NUSC?  For each one you find I can come back with Ashley downing a pint in the stands, getting pissed up in the Dubai or the US, claiming Kinnear is better than Capello etc.

 

Who's really making us look silly?

[relámpago blanco]

What is the protest for?  To get Ashley out, he tried selling the club and couldn't, are these people that retarded they don't realise a recession is going on,  Billionaires are now millionaires, just like Ashley.  He tried selling it but couldn't do you want him to give away half of his worth for nowt, would you?

 

The protest is because people are deeply unhappy about the way their beloved club is being ran and unlike the f***ing saps, they are actually trying to do something about it because they're clever enough to realise that we are the clubs greatest asset.

 

Now if everyone was a Superfan and "just turned up no matter who owns it, who plays for us" they could asset strip and take the piss for as long as it takes to find a buyer, that is beyond f***ing stupid, but its the type of thing they're having to deal with by utter muppets with myopia.

 

He could sell it if he wasnt wanting so much for it and if he continues to run it the way he is, the price is only going to come down.

 

The NUSC claim to speak on behalf of the fans, they'll speak on behalf of their members, so why not join up and give them yours?

 

I applaud them for doing what they're doing, but they're destined to fail because there are too many halfwits, too many opinions and too many people who are now apathetic.

 

 

NUSC ignore what you say unless you agree with exactly what they say, whenever people say anything other than Ashley out, cockney mafia, wise is evil etc they ignore you.  I am not happy about the way the club is run, but I'm clever enough to realise protesting against the clubs management when we are in the most dire straights since the late 80s early 90s is not sensible until we are safe.

 

Like I said I'm not pro-Ashley, but he tried to sell and would have taken what he paid, but that didn't come along, the bloke is in danger of losing all his money in this current financial climate, he needs as much as he can get for the club.

 

Strange they should hold open meetings then.

Very funny, you know there is a small group of them that pretty much decide everything,  I agree with some of their views but not in the way the operate.

 

Join and then you can vote on what they decide. Simple really.

Why would I want to join a  group with views that oppose some of my own?  It would be like joining an anti-hunting lobby when I like hunting.  Are you a member?

 

What views of yours do they oppose?

Protesting before a match when it will do no good and I'm not pro-ashley but I do think what he is doing will benefit the club financially provided we keep our premiership status.  We couldn't keep on spending like a champions league club when we weren't in it.

 

I agree to an extent with all of that.

 

 

Are you a member Parky?

 

Yes.

Do you think they represent you and your views in the way you would like them to?  Genuine question.

[relámpago blanco]

Scanning the thread it seems apparent that people are purposely misconstruing saturdays "RALLY" as a "PROTEST" in order to use it as a stick to bash the NUSC with.

 

here's the definition of a rally....

 

http://www.answers.com/rally

 

To rouse or revive from inactivity or decline

To show sudden improvement in health or spirits.

A gathering, especially one intended to inspire enthusiasm for a cause

An abrupt recovery from a setback or disadvantage

A sharp improvement in health, vigor, or spirits

 

I've not seen it mentioned anywhere that it's an "Ashley out" protest.  All I've seen are T-shirt ideas for with the sentiment that "NUSC love NUFC".  I've always seen it as a positive membership building move by the organisation and nothing to do with a specific point to be scored against anyone at the club.

 

Also, for anyone that thinks the NUSC have made us look a joke (Toontastic springs out) can you show me one piece of negative reporting about the NUSC?  For each one you find I can come back with Ashley downing a pint in the stands, getting pissed up in the Dubai or the US, claiming Kinnear is better than Capello etc.

 

Who's really making us look silly?

Why can't Ashley get pissed?  He was obviously taking the piss when he said Kinnear was better than Capello.

[Parky]

What is the protest for?  To get Ashley out, he tried selling the club and couldn't, are these people that retarded they don't realise a recession is going on,  Billionaires are now millionaires, just like Ashley.  He tried selling it but couldn't do you want him to give away half of his worth for nowt, would you?

 

The protest is because people are deeply unhappy about the way their beloved club is being ran and unlike the f***ing saps, they are actually trying to do something about it because they're clever enough to realise that we are the clubs greatest asset.

 

Now if everyone was a Superfan and "just turned up no matter who owns it, who plays for us" they could asset strip and take the piss for as long as it takes to find a buyer, that is beyond f***ing stupid, but its the type of thing they're having to deal with by utter muppets with myopia.

 

He could sell it if he wasnt wanting so much for it and if he continues to run it the way he is, the price is only going to come down.

 

The NUSC claim to speak on behalf of the fans, they'll speak on behalf of their members, so why not join up and give them yours?

 

I applaud them for doing what they're doing, but they're destined to fail because there are too many halfwits, too many opinions and too many people who are now apathetic.

 

 

NUSC ignore what you say unless you agree with exactly what they say, whenever people say anything other than Ashley out, cockney mafia, wise is evil etc they ignore you.  I am not happy about the way the club is run, but I'm clever enough to realise protesting against the clubs management when we are in the most dire straights since the late 80s early 90s is not sensible until we are safe.

 

Like I said I'm not pro-Ashley, but he tried to sell and would have taken what he paid, but that didn't come along, the bloke is in danger of losing all his money in this current financial climate, he needs as much as he can get for the club.

 

Strange they should hold open meetings then.

Very funny, you know there is a small group of them that pretty much decide everything,  I agree with some of their views but not in the way the operate.

 

Join and then you can vote on what they decide. Simple really.

Why would I want to join a  group with views that oppose some of my own?  It would be like joining an anti-hunting lobby when I like hunting.  Are you a member?

 

What views of yours do they oppose?

Protesting before a match when it will do no good and I'm not pro-ashley but I do think what he is doing will benefit the club financially provided we keep our premiership status.  We couldn't keep on spending like a champions league club when we weren't in it.

 

I agree to an extent with all of that.

 

 

Are you a member Parky?

 

Yes.

Do you think they represent you and your views in the way you would like them to?  Genuine question.

 

I only expect them, over time to represent a wide consensus.

[Happy Face]

What is the protest for?  To get Ashley out, he tried selling the club and couldn't, are these people that retarded they don't realise a recession is going on,  Billionaires are now millionaires, just like Ashley.  He tried selling it but couldn't do you want him to give away half of his worth for nowt, would you?

 

The protest is because people are deeply unhappy about the way their beloved club is being ran and unlike the f***ing saps, they are actually trying to do something about it because they're clever enough to realise that we are the clubs greatest asset.

 

Now if everyone was a Superfan and "just turned up no matter who owns it, who plays for us" they could asset strip and take the piss for as long as it takes to find a buyer, that is beyond f***ing stupid, but its the type of thing they're having to deal with by utter muppets with myopia.

 

He could sell it if he wasnt wanting so much for it and if he continues to run it the way he is, the price is only going to come down.

 

The NUSC claim to speak on behalf of the fans, they'll speak on behalf of their members, so why not join up and give them yours?

 

I applaud them for doing what they're doing, but they're destined to fail because there are too many halfwits, too many opinions and too many people who are now apathetic.

 

 

NUSC ignore what you say unless you agree with exactly what they say, whenever people say anything other than Ashley out, cockney mafia, wise is evil etc they ignore you.  I am not happy about the way the club is run, but I'm clever enough to realise protesting against the clubs management when we are in the most dire straights since the late 80s early 90s is not sensible until we are safe.

 

Like I said I'm not pro-Ashley, but he tried to sell and would have taken what he paid, but that didn't come along, the bloke is in danger of losing all his money in this current financial climate, he needs as much as he can get for the club.

 

Strange they should hold open meetings then.

Very funny, you know there is a small group of them that pretty much decide everything,  I agree with some of their views but not in the way the operate.

 

Join and then you can vote on what they decide. Simple really.

Why would I want to join a  group with views that oppose some of my own?  It would be like joining an anti-hunting lobby when I like hunting.  Are you a member?

 

What views of yours do they oppose?

Protesting before a match when it will do no good and I'm not pro-ashley but I do think what he is doing will benefit the club financially provided we keep our premiership status.  We couldn't keep on spending like a champions league club when we weren't in it.

 

I agree to an extent with all of that.

 

 

Are you a member Parky?

 

Yes.

Do you think they represent you and your views in the way you would like them to?  Genuine question.

 

I've approached the NUSC on a couple of issues and they've always been very useful in pushing forward my complaints.

 

Those were grafitti, heavy handed stewarding and delayed refunds.

[TRon]

Scanning the thread it seems apparent that people are purposely misconstruing saturdays "RALLY" as a "PROTEST" in order to use it as a stick to bash the NUSC with.

 

here's the definition of a rally....

 

http://www.answers.com/rally

 

To rouse or revive from inactivity or decline

To show sudden improvement in health or spirits.

A gathering, especially one intended to inspire enthusiasm for a cause

An abrupt recovery from a setback or disadvantage

A sharp improvement in health, vigor, or spirits

 

I've not seen it mentioned anywhere that it's an "Ashley out" protest.  All I've seen are T-shirt ideas with the sentiment that "NUSC love NUFC".  I've always seen it as a positive membership building move by the organisation and nothing to do with a specific point to be scored against anyone at the club.

 

Also, for anyone that thinks the NUSC have made us look a joke (Toontastic springs out) can you show me one piece of negative reporting about the NUSC?  For each one you find I can come back with Ashley downing a pint in the stands, getting pissed up in the Dubai or the US, claiming Kinnear is better than Capello etc.

 

Who's really making us look silly?

 

At the end of the day whoever makes us look silly is neither here nor there. Only Ashley can pay the bills or invest in the squad. NUSC can't do it and they can't provide anyone else who will either. They can't provide change, that is why the best they can hope to achieve is voluble protests which is what they are doing.