United to combat season ticket fears

[Guest Chris P]

stand by for a sports direct.com type sale.

 

 

 

Your off your tits.

 

we'll see what he does when he doesn't shift them.

 

Are you another in self denial of the obvious ?

 

 

 

Shift season tickets? Or the players? Or the property. Fuck it lets just give up now and let him asset strip the club, Maybe they can build a nice Casino on the site

 

Iam no where near as you are ,when it comes to self denial. The old regime has gone ...

[Mistle17]

So what if they lower the prices? its about bloody time they make tickets affordable for the average fan.

[NE5]

Remember last year when they were saying the same things?

 

When they invited all the box holders and grovelled to them to renew with the promise of big signings and entertaining football?

 

 

At least we had Keegan then ffs.

 

When are the mugs on this board going to wake up?

 

I'm trying to find a post in this thread which connects to yours.

 

EDIT - you mean the NUFC board?

 

It was a response to the original post.

 

I mean the people on this forum who still think we need to relax and give Ashley time to fix the problems at the club.

 

So my first point stands then.

 

Absolutley.  You'll get no disagreement from me that Ashley and Shepherd are as ugly as each other.

 

Fuck that for a box of pennies, I'd nosh down on Ashley's cock WAY before Freddy's.

 

Why is that?  Serious question.

 

Is the politics/finances of the club more important to you than what happens on the field.

 

Freddy and John might have fattened the golden goose to feed themselves, but Mike is just letting the Goose waste away.

 

At least we as fans got something from the previous regime.

 

Are you saying you'd prefer bottom half mediocrity, balanced books and an owner who only takes back what he puts in over European football, debts comparable with other clubs and an owner creaming off some of the profits?

 

Cutting off your nose to spite your face if you ask me.

 

... I just think Ashley probably washes better. The last thing you want is muck under the hood.

 

 

(Slash... I think Freddy managed us horribly irresponsibly and had we continued on under his control, we would have become Leeds 2 in a matter of years. So while the politics/finance aren't directly more important to me, they will inevitably affect the results on the field. As shit as we are now, we're not languishing in League One with Leeds and there is little chance of that happening in reality).

 

rubbish, and you have it the wrong way round. Its results on the field that bring in revenue.

 

 

 

Oh hurray! NE5's here. Another topic well and truly derailed!

 

how is that derailing the thread ? You're obsessed. You need to go to the pub or something.

 

 

Would rather not to be honest. Sitting in pubs at any time other than a match day seems rather sad to me, especially if its a regular thing.

 

well, at the risk of derailing the thread, I hope you enjoy Coronation Street or whatever shite you watch on the TV

 

 

 

Wrong again old man . Don't watch any of the soaps. They're crap. Infact I don't watch much telly at all. Its all mindnumbing dross.

 

oh dear.

 

 

 

You got a problem with the truth like? You seem to have no problems calling other people silly names. What's the problem with me pointing out that you are nearly pension age?

 

whats the problem with me pointing out that even though you have said you are in your 30's at least, you don't know any more about the club than a 14 year old ?

 

 

[Happy Face]

Question for Happy Face.

 

Do you think Gordon Brown did a good job when he was in charge of the economy?

 

Spend, Spend, Spend, Borrow, Spend, Borrow, Spend, Borrow, Spend (etc etc).

 

Now the shit has hit the fan due a lack of foundation to the spending and we have to take a hit in terms of spending for a while. Its not pretty but we will come out of the other end in a better long term position than we went into it.

 

Ring any bells closer to St James Park?

 

No, I don't think Brown did a good job.

 

I don't think Shepherd did either.

 

Nor do I think frugality is the way to save the economy.

 

We need to spend our way out of it.

 

Now you see fundamnetally I agree that in both the economy and for the Toon that spending is needed for the long term good of both.

 

However my view (again on both points) is that money should be directed at rebuilding infrastructure, be that roads, schools, hospitals, communications or the academy, buying younger players with room to develop and training facilities.

 

Of course some money needs to be spent on the here and now, money in the pocket of the man on the street (interest rate cuts, VAT cuts (wrong move but its happened so I can include it..), or investment in the first team. If you can balance out the cost of improving the here and now with proceeds from clearing out the dross then its all good.

 

I've said it before, but with the exception of Given we've replaced every player who has left the club with one of better quality or of a similar standard but at lower cost. That. Is. Good. Business. It could even be argued that we didn't need to replace Given directly anyway.

 

The summer is pivotal, we're running out of dross with any sort of resale value and desperately need to improve the centre of midfield and in all likelyhood replace Owen. A Left Back would be nice to push Enrique on, unless one of the reserve players is ready to step up to provide this.

 

I've made the improved squad argument myself.  It says more about the overpaid shite we had on the books than the top quality we've brought in though.

 

Either way, I've said it before, we could have Man U's squad and Joe Kinnear wouldn't have many more points.

[Happy Face]

Question for Happy Face.

 

Do you think Gordon Brown did a good job when he was in charge of the economy?

 

Spend, Spend, Spend, Borrow, Spend, Borrow, Spend, Borrow, Spend (etc etc).

 

Now the shit has hit the fan due a lack of foundation to the spending and we have to take a hit in terms of spending for a while. Its not pretty but we will come out of the other end in a better long term position than we went into it.

 

Ring any bells closer to St James Park?

 

No, I don't think Brown did a good job.

 

I don't think Shepherd did either.

 

Nor do I think frugality is the way to save the economy.

 

We need to spend our way out of it.

 

Now you see fundamnetally I agree that in both the economy and for the Toon that spending is needed for the long term good of both.

 

However my view (again on both points) is that money should be directed at rebuilding infrastructure, be that roads, schools, hospitals, communications or the academy, buying younger players with room to develop and training facilities.

 

Of course some money needs to be spent on the here and now, money in the pocket of the man on the street (interest rate cuts, VAT cuts (wrong move but its happened so I can include it..), or investment in the first team. If you can balance out the cost of improving the here and now with proceeds from clearing out the dross then its all good.

 

I've said it before, but with the exception of Given we've replaced every player who has left the club with one of better quality or of a similar standard but at lower cost. That. Is. Good. Business. It could even be argued that we didn't need to replace Given directly anyway.

 

The summer is pivotal, we're running out of dross with any sort of resale value and desperately need to improve the centre of midfield and in all likelyhood replace Owen. A Left Back would be nice to push Enrique on, unless one of the reserve players is ready to step up to provide this.

 

That's because Keegan bought the good players even though he wasn't allowed to buy players so he was forced to leave because Dennis Wise wouldn't let him buy them...or something.

 

You're making yourself look daft mate.

[Guest guinness_fiend]

Remember last year when they were saying the same things?

 

When they invited all the box holders and grovelled to them to renew with the promise of big signings and entertaining football?

 

 

At least we had Keegan then ffs.

 

When are the mugs on this board going to wake up?

 

I'm trying to find a post in this thread which connects to yours.

 

EDIT - you mean the NUFC board?

 

It was a response to the original post.

 

I mean the people on this forum who still think we need to relax and give Ashley time to fix the problems at the club.

 

So my first point stands then.

 

Absolutley.  You'll get no disagreement from me that Ashley and Shepherd are as ugly as each other.

 

f*** that for a box of pennies, I'd nosh down on Ashley's cock WAY before Freddy's.

 

Why is that?  Serious question.

 

Is the politics/finances of the club more important to you than what happens on the field.

 

Freddy and John might have fattened the golden goose to feed themselves, but Mike is just letting the Goose waste away.

 

At least we as fans got something from the previous regime.

 

Are you saying you'd prefer bottom half mediocrity, balanced books and an owner who only takes back what he puts in over European football, debts comparable with other clubs and an owner creaming off some of the profits?

 

Cutting off your nose to spite your face if you ask me.

 

... I just think Ashley probably washes better. The last thing you want is muck under the hood.

 

 

(Slash... I think Freddy managed us horribly irresponsibly and had we continued on under his control, we would have become Leeds 2 in a matter of years. So while the politics/finance aren't directly more important to me, they will inevitably affect the results on the field. As s*** as we are now, we're not languishing in League One with Leeds and there is little chance of that happening in reality).

 

rubbish, and you have it the wrong way round. Its results on the field that bring in revenue.

 

 

 

Oh hurray! NE5's here. Another topic well and truly derailed!

 

how is that derailing the thread ? You're obsessed. You need to go to the pub or something.

 

 

Would rather not to be honest. Sitting in pubs at any time other than a match day seems rather sad to me, especially if its a regular thing.

 

well, at the risk of derailing the thread, I hope you enjoy Coronation Street or whatever s**** you watch on the TV

 

 

 

Wrong again old man . Don't watch any of the soaps. They're crap. Infact I don't watch much telly at all. Its all mindnumbing dross.

 

oh dear.

 

 

 

You got a problem with the truth like? You seem to have no problems calling other people silly names. What's the problem with me pointing out that you are nearly pension age?

 

whats the problem with me pointing out that even though you have said you are in your 30's at least, you don't know any more about the club than a 14 year old ?

 

 

 

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[Guest The Libertine]

You're making yourself look daft mate.

 

you havent exactly covered yourself in glory these last few days either. oh well.

[themanupstairs]

Question for Happy Face.

 

Do you think Gordon Brown did a good job when he was in charge of the economy?

 

Spend, Spend, Spend, Borrow, Spend, Borrow, Spend, Borrow, Spend (etc etc).

 

Now the s*** has hit the fan due a lack of foundation to the spending and we have to take a hit in terms of spending for a while. Its not pretty but we will come out of the other end in a better long term position than we went into it.

 

Ring any bells closer to St James Park?

 

No, I don't think Brown did a good job.

 

I don't think Shepherd did either.

 

Nor do I think frugality is the way to save the economy.

 

We need to spend our way out of it.

 

Now you see fundamnetally I agree that in both the economy and for the Toon that spending is needed for the long term good of both.

 

However my view (again on both points) is that money should be directed at rebuilding infrastructure, be that roads, schools, hospitals, communications or the academy, buying younger players with room to develop and training facilities.

 

Of course some money needs to be spent on the here and now, money in the pocket of the man on the street (interest rate cuts, VAT cuts (wrong move but its happened so I can include it..), or investment in the first team. If you can balance out the cost of improving the here and now with proceeds from clearing out the dross then its all good.

 

I've said it before, but with the exception of Given we've replaced every player who has left the club with one of better quality or of a similar standard but at lower cost. That. Is. Good. Business. It could even be argued that we didn't need to replace Given directly anyway.

 

The summer is pivotal, we're running out of dross with any sort of resale value and desperately need to improve the centre of midfield and in all likelyhood replace Owen. A Left Back would be nice to push Enrique on, unless one of the reserve players is ready to step up to provide this.

 

You da man! 

[Happy Face]

You're making yourself look daft mate.

 

you havent exactly covered yourself in glory these last few days either. oh well.

 

How so?

[Guest toonlass]

Remember last year when they were saying the same things?

 

When they invited all the box holders and grovelled to them to renew with the promise of big signings and entertaining football?

 

 

At least we had Keegan then ffs.

 

When are the mugs on this board going to wake up?

 

I'm trying to find a post in this thread which connects to yours.

 

EDIT - you mean the NUFC board?

 

It was a response to the original post.

 

I mean the people on this forum who still think we need to relax and give Ashley time to fix the problems at the club.

 

So my first point stands then.

 

Absolutley.  You'll get no disagreement from me that Ashley and Shepherd are as ugly as each other.

 

Fuck that for a box of pennies, I'd nosh down on Ashley's cock WAY before Freddy's.

 

Why is that?  Serious question.

 

Is the politics/finances of the club more important to you than what happens on the field.

 

Freddy and John might have fattened the golden goose to feed themselves, but Mike is just letting the Goose waste away.

 

At least we as fans got something from the previous regime.

 

Are you saying you'd prefer bottom half mediocrity, balanced books and an owner who only takes back what he puts in over European football, debts comparable with other clubs and an owner creaming off some of the profits?

 

Cutting off your nose to spite your face if you ask me.

 

... I just think Ashley probably washes better. The last thing you want is muck under the hood.

 

 

(Slash... I think Freddy managed us horribly irresponsibly and had we continued on under his control, we would have become Leeds 2 in a matter of years. So while the politics/finance aren't directly more important to me, they will inevitably affect the results on the field. As shit as we are now, we're not languishing in League One with Leeds and there is little chance of that happening in reality).

 

rubbish, and you have it the wrong way round. Its results on the field that bring in revenue.

 

 

 

Oh hurray! NE5's here. Another topic well and truly derailed!

 

how is that derailing the thread ? You're obsessed. You need to go to the pub or something.

 

 

Would rather not to be honest. Sitting in pubs at any time other than a match day seems rather sad to me, especially if its a regular thing.

 

well, at the risk of derailing the thread, I hope you enjoy Coronation Street or whatever shite you watch on the TV

 

 

 

Wrong again old man . Don't watch any of the soaps. They're crap. Infact I don't watch much telly at all. Its all mindnumbing dross.

 

oh dear.

 

 

 

You got a problem with the truth like? You seem to have no problems calling other people silly names. What's the problem with me pointing out that you are nearly pension age?

 

whats the problem with me pointing out that even though you have said you are in your 30's at least, you don't know any more about the club than a 14 year old ?

 

 

 

No problem at all, except that you are wrong.

[NE5]

 

 

I'll be amazed if Ashley gets us into europe at any point.

 

The thing about Shepherd was, he was a t*** for hiring some s**** managers.  For sacking some good ones.  For doing it at the wrong times.  For taking millions out of the club in dividends and for spouting some s*** in the press and on tape....but even with all that, there were only 2 seasons in 10 that Newcastle didn't get into Europe.

 

He didn't accept mediocrity.

 

I take it that you class the Inter-Toto as playing in Europe, are you now going to claim that we've won a trophy on that same basis?

 

 

many people classed it as "a disgrace in going down this route" [such was the higher standards set by the previous regime] but you would take it like a shot now and proclaim your man to be a success if we did it, and don't say you wouldn't because you would.

 

 

[mrmojorisin75]

Remember last year when they were saying the same things?

 

When they invited all the box holders and grovelled to them to renew with the promise of big signings and entertaining football?

 

 

At least we had Keegan then ffs.

 

When are the mugs on this board going to wake up?

 

I'm trying to find a post in this thread which connects to yours.

 

EDIT - you mean the NUFC board?

 

It was a response to the original post.

 

I mean the people on this forum who still think we need to relax and give Ashley time to fix the problems at the club.

 

So my first point stands then.

 

Absolutley.  You'll get no disagreement from me that Ashley and Shepherd are as ugly as each other.

 

Fuck that for a box of pennies, I'd nosh down on Ashley's cock WAY before Freddy's.

 

Why is that?  Serious question.

 

Is the politics/finances of the club more important to you than what happens on the field.

 

Freddy and John might have fattened the golden goose to feed themselves, but Mike is just letting the Goose waste away.

 

At least we as fans got something from the previous regime.

 

Are you saying you'd prefer bottom half mediocrity, balanced books and an owner who only takes back what he puts in over European football, debts comparable with other clubs and an owner creaming off some of the profits?

 

Cutting off your nose to spite your face if you ask me.

 

... I just think Ashley probably washes better. The last thing you want is muck under the hood.

 

 

(Slash... I think Freddy managed us horribly irresponsibly and had we continued on under his control, we would have become Leeds 2 in a matter of years. So while the politics/finance aren't directly more important to me, they will inevitably affect the results on the field. As shit as we are now, we're not languishing in League One with Leeds and there is little chance of that happening in reality).

 

rubbish, and you have it the wrong way round. Its results on the field that bring in revenue.

 

 

 

Oh hurray! NE5's here. Another topic well and truly derailed!

 

how is that derailing the thread ? You're obsessed. You need to go to the pub or something.

 

 

Would rather not to be honest. Sitting in pubs at any time other than a match day seems rather sad to me, especially if its a regular thing.

 

well, at the risk of derailing the thread, I hope you enjoy Coronation Street or whatever shite you watch on the TV

 

 

 

Wrong again old man . Don't watch any of the soaps. They're crap. Infact I don't watch much telly at all. Its all mindnumbing dross.

 

oh dear.

 

 

 

You got a problem with the truth like? You seem to have no problems calling other people silly names. What's the problem with me pointing out that you are nearly pension age?

 

whats the problem with me pointing out that even though you have said you are in your 30's at least, you don't know any more about the club than a 14 year old ?

 

 

 

one of the fundamental problems with our society imo, the assumption that age/experience automatically = wisdom

 

i've met people at the game who travelled to every match for 20+ years home & away, travelling across europe on trains 'cause they're scared of flying etc...

 

think as pigshit for the most part, couldn't offer you an insight into their own lives let alone something as complicated as a top-tier professional football club

[NE5]

Question for Happy Face.

 

Do you think Gordon Brown did a good job when he was in charge of the economy?

 

Spend, Spend, Spend, Borrow, Spend, Borrow, Spend, Borrow, Spend (etc etc).

 

Now the shit has hit the fan due a lack of foundation to the spending and we have to take a hit in terms of spending for a while. Its not pretty but we will come out of the other end in a better long term position than we went into it.

 

Ring any bells closer to St James Park?

 

No, I don't think Brown did a good job.

 

I don't think Shepherd did either.

 

Nor do I think frugality is the way to save the economy.

 

We need to spend our way out of it.

 

Now you see fundamnetally I agree that in both the economy and for the Toon that spending is needed for the long term good of both.

 

However my view (again on both points) is that money should be directed at rebuilding infrastructure, be that roads, schools, hospitals, communications or the academy, buying younger players with room to develop and training facilities.

 

Of course some money needs to be spent on the here and now, money in the pocket of the man on the street (interest rate cuts, VAT cuts (wrong move but its happened so I can include it..), or investment in the first team. If you can balance out the cost of improving the here and now with proceeds from clearing out the dross then its all good.

 

I've said it before, but with the exception of Given we've replaced every player who has left the club with one of better quality or of a similar standard but at lower cost. That. Is. Good. Business. It could even be argued that we didn't need to replace Given directly anyway.

 

The summer is pivotal, we're running out of dross with any sort of resale value and desperately need to improve the centre of midfield and in all likelyhood replace Owen. A Left Back would be nice to push Enrique on, unless one of the reserve players is ready to step up to provide this.

 

the more he leaves it, the longer it costs to get back. It's just more proof in my eyes that he hasn't got a clue, or doesn't have the desire. I don't accept that rebuilding means creating a situation whereby your best and most important players want to leave the club for career reasons and ambition, this tells you pretty much everything.

 

 

 

 

[mrmojorisin75]

Question for Happy Face.

 

Do you think Gordon Brown did a good job when he was in charge of the economy?

 

Spend, Spend, Spend, Borrow, Spend, Borrow, Spend, Borrow, Spend (etc etc).

 

Now the shit has hit the fan due a lack of foundation to the spending and we have to take a hit in terms of spending for a while. Its not pretty but we will come out of the other end in a better long term position than we went into it.

 

Ring any bells closer to St James Park?

 

No, I don't think Brown did a good job.

 

I don't think Shepherd did either.

 

Nor do I think frugality is the way to save the economy.

 

We need to spend our way out of it.

 

Now you see fundamnetally I agree that in both the economy and for the Toon that spending is needed for the long term good of both.

 

However my view (again on both points) is that money should be directed at rebuilding infrastructure, be that roads, schools, hospitals, communications or the academy, buying younger players with room to develop and training facilities.

 

Of course some money needs to be spent on the here and now, money in the pocket of the man on the street (interest rate cuts, VAT cuts (wrong move but its happened so I can include it..), or investment in the first team. If you can balance out the cost of improving the here and now with proceeds from clearing out the dross then its all good.

 

I've said it before, but with the exception of Given we've replaced every player who has left the club with one of better quality or of a similar standard but at lower cost. That. Is. Good. Business. It could even be argued that we didn't need to replace Given directly anyway.

 

The summer is pivotal, we're running out of dross with any sort of resale value and desperately need to improve the centre of midfield and in all likelyhood replace Owen. A Left Back would be nice to push Enrique on, unless one of the reserve players is ready to step up to provide this.

 

the more he leaves it, the longer it costs to get back. It's just more proof in my eyes that he hasn't got a clue, or doesn't have the desire. I don't accept that rebuilding means creating a situation whereby your best and most important players want to leave the club for career reasons and ambition, this tells you pretty much everything.

 

 

sitting it out imo, praying we stay up til the markets flush again and he gets a buyer....no other explanation surely?

[NE5]

Remember last year when they were saying the same things?

 

When they invited all the box holders and grovelled to them to renew with the promise of big signings and entertaining football?

 

 

At least we had Keegan then ffs.

 

When are the mugs on this board going to wake up?

 

I'm trying to find a post in this thread which connects to yours.

 

EDIT - you mean the NUFC board?

 

It was a response to the original post.

 

I mean the people on this forum who still think we need to relax and give Ashley time to fix the problems at the club.

 

So my first point stands then.

 

Absolutley.  You'll get no disagreement from me that Ashley and Shepherd are as ugly as each other.

 

Fuck that for a box of pennies, I'd nosh down on Ashley's cock WAY before Freddy's.

 

Why is that?  Serious question.

 

Is the politics/finances of the club more important to you than what happens on the field.

 

Freddy and John might have fattened the golden goose to feed themselves, but Mike is just letting the Goose waste away.

 

At least we as fans got something from the previous regime.

 

Are you saying you'd prefer bottom half mediocrity, balanced books and an owner who only takes back what he puts in over European football, debts comparable with other clubs and an owner creaming off some of the profits?

 

Cutting off your nose to spite your face if you ask me.

 

... I just think Ashley probably washes better. The last thing you want is muck under the hood.

 

 

(Slash... I think Freddy managed us horribly irresponsibly and had we continued on under his control, we would have become Leeds 2 in a matter of years. So while the politics/finance aren't directly more important to me, they will inevitably affect the results on the field. As shit as we are now, we're not languishing in League One with Leeds and there is little chance of that happening in reality).

 

rubbish, and you have it the wrong way round. Its results on the field that bring in revenue.

 

 

 

Oh hurray! NE5's here. Another topic well and truly derailed!

 

how is that derailing the thread ? You're obsessed. You need to go to the pub or something.

 

 

Would rather not to be honest. Sitting in pubs at any time other than a match day seems rather sad to me, especially if its a regular thing.

 

well, at the risk of derailing the thread, I hope you enjoy Coronation Street or whatever shite you watch on the TV

 

 

 

Wrong again old man . Don't watch any of the soaps. They're crap. Infact I don't watch much telly at all. Its all mindnumbing dross.

 

oh dear.

 

 

 

You got a problem with the truth like? You seem to have no problems calling other people silly names. What's the problem with me pointing out that you are nearly pension age?

 

whats the problem with me pointing out that even though you have said you are in your 30's at least, you don't know any more about the club than a 14 year old ?

 

 

 

one of the fundamental problems with our society imo, the assumption that age/experience automatically = wisdom

 

i've met people at the game who travelled to every match for 20+ years home & away, travelling across europe on trains 'cause they're scared of flying etc...

 

think as pigshit for the most part, couldn't offer you an insight into their own lives let alone something as complicated as a top-tier professional football club

 

change the terminology to "perception of how the club was pre-1992" then mate. Point taken, I don't think toonlass is "thick", "misguided" is better.

 

 

[NE5]

Question for Happy Face.

 

Do you think Gordon Brown did a good job when he was in charge of the economy?

 

Spend, Spend, Spend, Borrow, Spend, Borrow, Spend, Borrow, Spend (etc etc).

 

Now the shit has hit the fan due a lack of foundation to the spending and we have to take a hit in terms of spending for a while. Its not pretty but we will come out of the other end in a better long term position than we went into it.

 

Ring any bells closer to St James Park?

 

No, I don't think Brown did a good job.

 

I don't think Shepherd did either.

 

Nor do I think frugality is the way to save the economy.

 

We need to spend our way out of it.

 

Now you see fundamnetally I agree that in both the economy and for the Toon that spending is needed for the long term good of both.

 

However my view (again on both points) is that money should be directed at rebuilding infrastructure, be that roads, schools, hospitals, communications or the academy, buying younger players with room to develop and training facilities.

 

Of course some money needs to be spent on the here and now, money in the pocket of the man on the street (interest rate cuts, VAT cuts (wrong move but its happened so I can include it..), or investment in the first team. If you can balance out the cost of improving the here and now with proceeds from clearing out the dross then its all good.

 

I've said it before, but with the exception of Given we've replaced every player who has left the club with one of better quality or of a similar standard but at lower cost. That. Is. Good. Business. It could even be argued that we didn't need to replace Given directly anyway.

 

The summer is pivotal, we're running out of dross with any sort of resale value and desperately need to improve the centre of midfield and in all likelyhood replace Owen. A Left Back would be nice to push Enrique on, unless one of the reserve players is ready to step up to provide this.

 

the more he leaves it, the longer it costs to get back. It's just more proof in my eyes that he hasn't got a clue, or doesn't have the desire. I don't accept that rebuilding means creating a situation whereby your best and most important players want to leave the club for career reasons and ambition, this tells you pretty much everything.

 

 

sitting it out imo, praying we stay up til the markets flush again and he gets a buyer....no other explanation surely?

 

probably, aye

 

 

[Guest toonlass]

Question for Happy Face.

 

Do you think Gordon Brown did a good job when he was in charge of the economy?

 

Spend, Spend, Spend, Borrow, Spend, Borrow, Spend, Borrow, Spend (etc etc).

 

Now the shit has hit the fan due a lack of foundation to the spending and we have to take a hit in terms of spending for a while. Its not pretty but we will come out of the other end in a better long term position than we went into it.

 

Ring any bells closer to St James Park?

 

No, I don't think Brown did a good job.

 

I don't think Shepherd did either.

 

Nor do I think frugality is the way to save the economy.

 

We need to spend our way out of it.

 

Now you see fundamnetally I agree that in both the economy and for the Toon that spending is needed for the long term good of both.

 

However my view (again on both points) is that money should be directed at rebuilding infrastructure, be that roads, schools, hospitals, communications or the academy, buying younger players with room to develop and training facilities.

 

Of course some money needs to be spent on the here and now, money in the pocket of the man on the street (interest rate cuts, VAT cuts (wrong move but its happened so I can include it..), or investment in the first team. If you can balance out the cost of improving the here and now with proceeds from clearing out the dross then its all good.

 

I've said it before, but with the exception of Given we've replaced every player who has left the club with one of better quality or of a similar standard but at lower cost. That. Is. Good. Business. It could even be argued that we didn't need to replace Given directly anyway.

 

The summer is pivotal, we're running out of dross with any sort of resale value and desperately need to improve the centre of midfield and in all likelyhood replace Owen. A Left Back would be nice to push Enrique on, unless one of the reserve players is ready to step up to provide this.

 

the more he leaves it, the longer it costs to get back. It's just more proof in my eyes that he hasn't got a clue, or doesn't have the desire. I don't accept that rebuilding means creating a situation whereby your best and most important players want to leave the club for career reasons and ambition, this tells you pretty much everything.

 

 

 

 

 

When you say "best and most important players" I take it you mean the singular Shay Given.

 

We got an exceptional deal for Charles N'Zogbia. For the first time in years we have a player who can get a corner past the first man in Ryan Taylor, and we scored from a corner too, something not seen in eons with Newcastle. We definitely seem to have got the better deal there.

 

Who else has left that you can name as a "best and most important player"? Not James Milner, most people where whinging about him last season, and £12 million is a steal for him too.

 

Michael Owen? How he is meant to score from the physio's table is beyond me. If we replace him with a competent and fit striker we will be laughing again.

[mrmojorisin75]

Question for Happy Face.

 

Do you think Gordon Brown did a good job when he was in charge of the economy?

 

Spend, Spend, Spend, Borrow, Spend, Borrow, Spend, Borrow, Spend (etc etc).

 

Now the shit has hit the fan due a lack of foundation to the spending and we have to take a hit in terms of spending for a while. Its not pretty but we will come out of the other end in a better long term position than we went into it.

 

Ring any bells closer to St James Park?

 

No, I don't think Brown did a good job.

 

I don't think Shepherd did either.

 

Nor do I think frugality is the way to save the economy.

 

We need to spend our way out of it.

 

Now you see fundamnetally I agree that in both the economy and for the Toon that spending is needed for the long term good of both.

 

However my view (again on both points) is that money should be directed at rebuilding infrastructure, be that roads, schools, hospitals, communications or the academy, buying younger players with room to develop and training facilities.

 

Of course some money needs to be spent on the here and now, money in the pocket of the man on the street (interest rate cuts, VAT cuts (wrong move but its happened so I can include it..), or investment in the first team. If you can balance out the cost of improving the here and now with proceeds from clearing out the dross then its all good.

 

I've said it before, but with the exception of Given we've replaced every player who has left the club with one of better quality or of a similar standard but at lower cost. That. Is. Good. Business. It could even be argued that we didn't need to replace Given directly anyway.

 

The summer is pivotal, we're running out of dross with any sort of resale value and desperately need to improve the centre of midfield and in all likelyhood replace Owen. A Left Back would be nice to push Enrique on, unless one of the reserve players is ready to step up to provide this.

 

the more he leaves it, the longer it costs to get back. It's just more proof in my eyes that he hasn't got a clue, or doesn't have the desire. I don't accept that rebuilding means creating a situation whereby your best and most important players want to leave the club for career reasons and ambition, this tells you pretty much everything.

 

 

sitting it out imo, praying we stay up til the markets flush again and he gets a buyer....no other explanation surely?

 

probably, aye

 

 

 

if true it's one of the riskiest things i can remember in football, total insanity to put what he's already invested in the hands of

[Guest toonlass]

Remember last year when they were saying the same things?

 

When they invited all the box holders and grovelled to them to renew with the promise of big signings and entertaining football?

 

 

At least we had Keegan then ffs.

 

When are the mugs on this board going to wake up?

 

I'm trying to find a post in this thread which connects to yours.

 

EDIT - you mean the NUFC board?

 

It was a response to the original post.

 

I mean the people on this forum who still think we need to relax and give Ashley time to fix the problems at the club.

 

So my first point stands then.

 

Absolutley.  You'll get no disagreement from me that Ashley and Shepherd are as ugly as each other.

 

Fuck that for a box of pennies, I'd nosh down on Ashley's cock WAY before Freddy's.

 

Why is that?  Serious question.

 

Is the politics/finances of the club more important to you than what happens on the field.

 

Freddy and John might have fattened the golden goose to feed themselves, but Mike is just letting the Goose waste away.

 

At least we as fans got something from the previous regime.

 

Are you saying you'd prefer bottom half mediocrity, balanced books and an owner who only takes back what he puts in over European football, debts comparable with other clubs and an owner creaming off some of the profits?

 

Cutting off your nose to spite your face if you ask me.

 

... I just think Ashley probably washes better. The last thing you want is muck under the hood.

 

 

(Slash... I think Freddy managed us horribly irresponsibly and had we continued on under his control, we would have become Leeds 2 in a matter of years. So while the politics/finance aren't directly more important to me, they will inevitably affect the results on the field. As shit as we are now, we're not languishing in League One with Leeds and there is little chance of that happening in reality).

 

rubbish, and you have it the wrong way round. Its results on the field that bring in revenue.

 

 

 

Oh hurray! NE5's here. Another topic well and truly derailed!

 

how is that derailing the thread ? You're obsessed. You need to go to the pub or something.

 

 

Would rather not to be honest. Sitting in pubs at any time other than a match day seems rather sad to me, especially if its a regular thing.

 

well, at the risk of derailing the thread, I hope you enjoy Coronation Street or whatever shite you watch on the TV

 

 

 

Wrong again old man . Don't watch any of the soaps. They're crap. Infact I don't watch much telly at all. Its all mindnumbing dross.

 

oh dear.

 

 

 

You got a problem with the truth like? You seem to have no problems calling other people silly names. What's the problem with me pointing out that you are nearly pension age?

 

whats the problem with me pointing out that even though you have said you are in your 30's at least, you don't know any more about the club than a 14 year old ?

 

 

 

one of the fundamental problems with our society imo, the assumption that age/experience automatically = wisdom

 

i've met people at the game who travelled to every match for 20+ years home & away, travelling across europe on trains 'cause they're scared of flying etc...

 

think as pigshit for the most part, couldn't offer you an insight into their own lives let alone something as complicated as a top-tier professional football club

 

change the terminology to "perception of how the club was pre-1992" then mate. Point taken, I don't think toonlass is "thick", "misguided" is better.

 

 

 

I beg your pardon? Heavy night down the pub last night eh NE5?

[NE5]

Question for Happy Face.

 

Do you think Gordon Brown did a good job when he was in charge of the economy?

 

Spend, Spend, Spend, Borrow, Spend, Borrow, Spend, Borrow, Spend (etc etc).

 

Now the shit has hit the fan due a lack of foundation to the spending and we have to take a hit in terms of spending for a while. Its not pretty but we will come out of the other end in a better long term position than we went into it.

 

Ring any bells closer to St James Park?

 

No, I don't think Brown did a good job.

 

I don't think Shepherd did either.

 

Nor do I think frugality is the way to save the economy.

 

We need to spend our way out of it.

 

Now you see fundamnetally I agree that in both the economy and for the Toon that spending is needed for the long term good of both.

 

However my view (again on both points) is that money should be directed at rebuilding infrastructure, be that roads, schools, hospitals, communications or the academy, buying younger players with room to develop and training facilities.

 

Of course some money needs to be spent on the here and now, money in the pocket of the man on the street (interest rate cuts, VAT cuts (wrong move but its happened so I can include it..), or investment in the first team. If you can balance out the cost of improving the here and now with proceeds from clearing out the dross then its all good.

 

I've said it before, but with the exception of Given we've replaced every player who has left the club with one of better quality or of a similar standard but at lower cost. That. Is. Good. Business. It could even be argued that we didn't need to replace Given directly anyway.

 

The summer is pivotal, we're running out of dross with any sort of resale value and desperately need to improve the centre of midfield and in all likelyhood replace Owen. A Left Back would be nice to push Enrique on, unless one of the reserve players is ready to step up to provide this.

 

the more he leaves it, the longer it costs to get back. It's just more proof in my eyes that he hasn't got a clue, or doesn't have the desire. I don't accept that rebuilding means creating a situation whereby your best and most important players want to leave the club for career reasons and ambition, this tells you pretty much everything.

 

 

 

 

 

When you say "best and most important players" I take it you mean the singular Shay Given.

 

We got an exceptional deal for Charles N'Zogbia. For the first time in years we have a player who can get a corner past the first man in Ryan Taylor, and we scored from a corner too, something not seen in eons with Newcastle. We definitely seem to have got the better deal there.

 

Who else has left that you can name as a "best and most important player"? Not James Milner, most people where whinging about him last season, and £12 million is a steal for him too.

 

Michael Owen? How he is meant to score from the physio's table is beyond me. If we replace him with a competent and fit striker we will be laughing again.

 

Fact is, other than Given [who was the very fabric of the club], the club captain will go too, when he ought to be seeing us as a club where he could captain the club to a trophy in the last years of his time at the top. Charles N'Zogbia is a talented player who also should be seeing this club as a club where he can win things. Now if he had gone to someone like Arsenal ie being French, or ManU, or back to Paris I could have stomached it, but to Wigan ? You're taking the piss, and are seriously misguided if you can't accept this. And Ryan Taylor might take good corners and be solid but he can't lace zoggy's boots.

 

No doubt, as in the words of Chris Mort [Ashley's previous mouthpiece] it is "good business" to swap a player for another one with a cash injection into the bargain.

 

Milner may have had his price, but the manager didn't want to sell him, or at least expected the money to bring in a player of his own choice for a weak position. Now, the whole scenario of Milner going, ie giving the manager less than the fee he generated and buying a cheaper player for him, was the last straw for Keegan and is nothing other than the actions of a small minded, 2nd rate club.

 

 

[NE5]

Remember last year when they were saying the same things?

 

When they invited all the box holders and grovelled to them to renew with the promise of big signings and entertaining football?

 

 

At least we had Keegan then ffs.

 

When are the mugs on this board going to wake up?

 

I'm trying to find a post in this thread which connects to yours.

 

EDIT - you mean the NUFC board?

 

It was a response to the original post.

 

I mean the people on this forum who still think we need to relax and give Ashley time to fix the problems at the club.

 

So my first point stands then.

 

Absolutley.  You'll get no disagreement from me that Ashley and Shepherd are as ugly as each other.

 

Fuck that for a box of pennies, I'd nosh down on Ashley's cock WAY before Freddy's.

 

Why is that?  Serious question.

 

Is the politics/finances of the club more important to you than what happens on the field.

 

Freddy and John might have fattened the golden goose to feed themselves, but Mike is just letting the Goose waste away.

 

At least we as fans got something from the previous regime.

 

Are you saying you'd prefer bottom half mediocrity, balanced books and an owner who only takes back what he puts in over European football, debts comparable with other clubs and an owner creaming off some of the profits?

 

Cutting off your nose to spite your face if you ask me.

 

... I just think Ashley probably washes better. The last thing you want is muck under the hood.

 

 

(Slash... I think Freddy managed us horribly irresponsibly and had we continued on under his control, we would have become Leeds 2 in a matter of years. So while the politics/finance aren't directly more important to me, they will inevitably affect the results on the field. As shit as we are now, we're not languishing in League One with Leeds and there is little chance of that happening in reality).

 

rubbish, and you have it the wrong way round. Its results on the field that bring in revenue.

 

 

 

Oh hurray! NE5's here. Another topic well and truly derailed!

 

how is that derailing the thread ? You're obsessed. You need to go to the pub or something.

 

 

Would rather not to be honest. Sitting in pubs at any time other than a match day seems rather sad to me, especially if its a regular thing.

 

well, at the risk of derailing the thread, I hope you enjoy Coronation Street or whatever shite you watch on the TV

 

 

 

Wrong again old man . Don't watch any of the soaps. They're crap. Infact I don't watch much telly at all. Its all mindnumbing dross.

 

oh dear.

 

 

 

You got a problem with the truth like? You seem to have no problems calling other people silly names. What's the problem with me pointing out that you are nearly pension age?

 

whats the problem with me pointing out that even though you have said you are in your 30's at least, you don't know any more about the club than a 14 year old ?

 

 

 

one of the fundamental problems with our society imo, the assumption that age/experience automatically = wisdom

 

i've met people at the game who travelled to every match for 20+ years home & away, travelling across europe on trains 'cause they're scared of flying etc...

 

think as pigshit for the most part, couldn't offer you an insight into their own lives let alone something as complicated as a top-tier professional football club

 

change the terminology to "perception of how the club was pre-1992" then mate. Point taken, I don't think toonlass is "thick", "misguided" is better.

 

 

 

I beg your pardon? Heavy night down the pub last night eh NE5?

 

no. Do you ever go to work ? Do you spend your life on here ?

 

 

[Scottish Mag]

Question for Happy Face.

 

Do you think Gordon Brown did a good job when he was in charge of the economy?

 

Spend, Spend, Spend, Borrow, Spend, Borrow, Spend, Borrow, Spend (etc etc).

 

Now the s*** has hit the fan due a lack of foundation to the spending and we have to take a hit in terms of spending for a while. Its not pretty but we will come out of the other end in a better long term position than we went into it.

 

Ring any bells closer to St James Park?

 

No, I don't think Brown did a good job.

 

I don't think Shepherd did either.

 

Nor do I think frugality is the way to save the economy.

 

We need to spend our way out of it.

 

Now you see fundamnetally I agree that in both the economy and for the Toon that spending is needed for the long term good of both.

 

However my view (again on both points) is that money should be directed at rebuilding infrastructure, be that roads, schools, hospitals, communications or the academy, buying younger players with room to develop and training facilities.

 

Of course some money needs to be spent on the here and now, money in the pocket of the man on the street (interest rate cuts, VAT cuts (wrong move but its happened so I can include it..), or investment in the first team. If you can balance out the cost of improving the here and now with proceeds from clearing out the dross then its all good.

 

I've said it before, but with the exception of Given we've replaced every player who has left the club with one of better quality or of a similar standard but at lower cost. That. Is. Good. Business. It could even be argued that we didn't need to replace Given directly anyway.

 

The summer is pivotal, we're running out of dross with any sort of resale value and desperately need to improve the centre of midfield and in all likelyhood replace Owen. A Left Back would be nice to push Enrique on, unless one of the reserve players is ready to step up to provide this.

 

the more he leaves it, the longer it costs to get back. It's just more proof in my eyes that he hasn't got a clue, or doesn't have the desire. I don't accept that rebuilding means creating a situation whereby your best and most important players want to leave the club for career reasons and ambition, this tells you pretty much everything.

 

 

 

 

 

When you say "best and most important players" I take it you mean the singular Shay Given.

 

We got an exceptional deal for Charles N'Zogbia. For the first time in years we have a player who can get a corner past the first man in Ryan Taylor, and we scored from a corner too, something not seen in eons with Newcastle. We definitely seem to have got the better deal there.

 

Who else has left that you can name as a "best and most important player"? Not James Milner, most people where whinging about him last season, and £12 million is a steal for him too.

 

Michael Owen? How he is meant to score from the physio's table is beyond me. If we replace him with a competent and fit striker we will be laughing again.

 

I was never Milners biggest fan but what good is that 12 million when it was not reinvested and we are left with Duff playing on the right wing.

 

I didnt think he was a worldbeater but we would be a hell of a lot better with him on the park than having 12 million in the bank.

[SEMTEX]

Question for Happy Face.

 

Do you think Gordon Brown did a good job when he was in charge of the economy?

 

Spend, Spend, Spend, Borrow, Spend, Borrow, Spend, Borrow, Spend (etc etc).

 

Now the shit has hit the fan due a lack of foundation to the spending and we have to take a hit in terms of spending for a while. Its not pretty but we will come out of the other end in a better long term position than we went into it.

 

Ring any bells closer to St James Park?

 

No, I don't think Brown did a good job.

 

I don't think Shepherd did either.

 

Nor do I think frugality is the way to save the economy.

 

We need to spend our way out of it.

 

Now you see fundamnetally I agree that in both the economy and for the Toon that spending is needed for the long term good of both.

 

However my view (again on both points) is that money should be directed at rebuilding infrastructure, be that roads, schools, hospitals, communications or the academy, buying younger players with room to develop and training facilities.

 

Of course some money needs to be spent on the here and now, money in the pocket of the man on the street (interest rate cuts, VAT cuts (wrong move but its happened so I can include it..), or investment in the first team. If you can balance out the cost of improving the here and now with proceeds from clearing out the dross then its all good.

 

I've said it before, but with the exception of Given we've replaced every player who has left the club with one of better quality or of a similar standard but at lower cost. That. Is. Good. Business. It could even be argued that we didn't need to replace Given directly anyway.

 

The summer is pivotal, we're running out of dross with any sort of resale value and desperately need to improve the centre of midfield and in all likelyhood replace Owen. A Left Back would be nice to push Enrique on, unless one of the reserve players is ready to step up to provide this.

 

the more he leaves it, the longer it costs to get back. It's just more proof in my eyes that he hasn't got a clue, or doesn't have the desire. I don't accept that rebuilding means creating a situation whereby your best and most important players want to leave the club for career reasons and ambition, this tells you pretty much everything.

 

 

 

 

 

When you say "best and most important players" I take it you mean the singular Shay Given.

 

We got an exceptional deal for Charles N'Zogbia. For the first time in years we have a player who can get a corner past the first man in Ryan Taylor, and we scored from a corner too, something not seen in eons with Newcastle. We definitely seem to have got the better deal there.

 

Who else has left that you can name as a "best and most important player"? Not James Milner, most people where whinging about him last season, and £12 million is a steal for him too.

 

Michael Owen? How he is meant to score from the physio's table is beyond me. If we replace him with a competent and fit striker we will be laughing again.

 

Fact is, other than Given [who was the very fabric of the club], the club captain will go too, when he ought to be seeing us as a club where he could captain the club to a trophy in the last years of his time at the top. Charles N'Zogbia is a talented player who also should be seeing this club as a club where he can win things. Now if he had gone to someone like Arsenal ie being French, or ManU, or back to Paris I could have stomached it, but to Wigan ? You're taking the piss, and are seriously misguided if you can't accept this. And Ryan Taylor might take good corners and be solid but he can't lace zoggy's boots.

 

No doubt, as in the words of Chris Mort [Ashley's previous mouthpiece] it is "good business" to swap a player for another one with a cash injection into the bargain.

 

Milner may have had his price, but the manager didn't want to sell him, or at least expected the money to bring in a player of his own choice for a weak position. Now, the whole scenario of Milner going, ie giving the manager less than the fee he generated and buying a cheaper player for him, was the last straw for Keegan and is nothing other than the actions of a small minded, 2nd rate club.

 

 

 

Charles N'Zogbia's Assists & Goals records = shit. He's pretty much as effective as Damien Duff, and well all know how wank Damien is.

[AyeDubbleYoo]

I know this is nothing to do with the original thread, but I can't see how anyone can argue with selling Milner for £12m. Classic case of a player seeming better now he plays for another club.

 

It was a brilliant deal IMO, and it's stupid to say the money was never spent - it all goes onto the balance sheet at the end of the day.

[merlin]

I know this is nothing to do with the original thread, but I can't see how anyone can argue with selling Milner for £12m. Classic case of a player seeming better now he plays for another club.

 

It was a brilliant deal IMO, and it's stupid to say the money was never spent - it all goes onto the balance sheet at the end of the day.

 

I don't think the Villa fans would complain about parting with the 12m either...OR MON..!

It was NOT a brilliant deal for NUFC because the money was not properly re-invested in the side..having said that, MON is getting far more out of Milner than NUFC ever did, simply because he is a better manager than NUFC have had(with the POSSIBLE exception of KK, but MON has won things as a manager and KK has not - promotions excepted).