They are getting ready to blame KK for less transfer money (smoke, mirrors etc).

[ChezGiven]

"There's been no deception, it's been very open. I'm fine. I pretty much know, from conversations we've had, what Dennis is going to do and the idea, in principle, is very good, to go and look for new players, to bring a lot of youngsters in."

 

To go and look for new players. Not the same as buying them with so much as a by-your-leave

 

Of course not but it does suggest that Keegan wouldnt be choosing the 'possibles' and is consistent with all the statements around  the 'transfers-in' last summer. In fact that statement is perfectly consistent with the idea that Wise would identify new players and Keegan would approve them.

 

What you dont know is how Keegan then acted in the summer when presented with the possibles. There was a suggestion he wouldnt play ball as he wanted to identify his own targets. This is INCONSISTENT with the above statement.

 

The only issue is the Milner transer out in this regard.

 

My understanding to add to this particular caveat are the Nacho and Xisco transfers.

 

Plus the fannying around with the Owen contract, something KK harped on about endlessly, seems to me they only listened to him when it suited.

 

 

I think Nacho and Xisco were desperation signings after the whole thing had fallen apart.

 

[timnufc22]

NEWCASTLE United announces that Dennis Wise has agreed to join the Club in the role of Executive Director (Football). Also joining the Club are Tony Jimenez as Vice President (Player Recruitment) and Jeff Vetere, who joins from Real Madrid in the position of Technical Co-ordinator.

 

Dennis will assist the Board on football-related matters, including the development of the Club's Academy and player recruitment. He will report to the Chairman. Tony and Jeff will also assist in player recruitment.

 

The arrival of these three new recruits follows on from the recent appointment of Kevin Keegan as manager. Kevin will be responsible for all matters related to the First Team.

 

Chairman Chris Mort said: "This is all part of the vision that recently helped us to secure Kevin Keegan's return to the Club as manager.

 

"Two of the conclusions of our strategic review, since acquiring the Club, were that the Club would benefit from having a football person involved at Board level, which it has not had historically, and that further senior resources are needed for recruiting players of the highest quality from this country and further afield.

 

"Dennis would like to move away from day-to-day football management to a Board role and, with his considerable energy and intelligence, we believe he will do very well in this new position.

 

"With Kevin able to devote his efforts to developing and running the first team squad, Dennis, Tony and Jeff will each help us to secure success for Newcastle United Football Club at all levels and for the long-term. One or two further key appointments will follow in the months ahead."

 

http://www.nufc.premiumtv.co.uk/page/NewsDetail/0,,10278~1227633,00.html

 

no mention of keegan buying players. how odd.

 

Where's that Wise quote where he clearly says he would run everything past KK? Why would he say that if his remit was so clear...running the show an all.

 

You have to make you're mind up..Was/is Wise in total control of player transfers?

 

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/teams/n/newcastle_united/7223479.stm

 

Wise explains role at Newcastle  

 

Keegan wants to make it clear he is the boss of Wise

Newcastle executive director Dennis Wise has insisted that manager Kevin Keegan has the "final word" on all football matters at the club.

Wise left his role as Leeds boss earlier this week to take up his position with the Premier League club.

 

"I'm here to help Kevin, bringing young players through and also recommend certain players to him," said Wise.

 

"He'll say yes and no, he has the final word, no-one else. Everything that happens will be run past him."

 

Wise, who has previously managed Millwall and Swindon, added: "I'm not going to bring players in behind his back - I'm not into that.

 

"A lot of people have got mixed up with the reason why I am here. I'm not here to be involved in the first team, I'm not here to manage.

 

"I have to concentrate more on the academy, we need some young blood coming through of our own. We need to look abroad for players and that's my intention over the next few years."

 

Keegan has insisted that the appointment of Wise was made with his blessing and that he believes the new structure will be successful.

 

He said: "I am all for the changes and I approve of them. They want someone on the board who understands football, and Dennis understands football very well.

 

"It will work very well. Dennis reports to me - the chain is established.

 

"The club has become slightly fragmented. From my point of view, it's a positive thing - provided I get all the help I need.

 

"I know what Dennis is going to do, and the idea in principle is good - to look for new players, to bring youngsters through and do things which our academy isn't doing so much at the moment."

 

Keegan also revealed he was involved in the appointment after speaking to owner Mike Ashley before he returned as manager.

 

"I knew about it. It's not a surprise to me, it might be to other people," Keegan told BBC Radio 5 live.

 

"Two or three names were given to me when I first sat down and talked about the job with the owner. One of them was Dennis.

 

"I know Dennis. I know he's intelligent. I know his job here is to help me. He's on my side.

 

"How can any manager be against someone who is going to come to the club to try to bring in talent?

 

"It's right for this football club. A lot of people outside might be shocked about it. I think in the long term it's the right decision. It's something that needs to be done."

 

[Guest The Libertine]

NEWCASTLE United announces that Dennis Wise has agreed to join the Club in the role of Executive Director (Football). Also joining the Club are Tony Jimenez as Vice President (Player Recruitment) and Jeff Vetere, who joins from Real Madrid in the position of Technical Co-ordinator.

 

Dennis will assist the Board on football-related matters, including the development of the Club's Academy and player recruitment. He will report to the Chairman. Tony and Jeff will also assist in player recruitment.

 

The arrival of these three new recruits follows on from the recent appointment of Kevin Keegan as manager. Kevin will be responsible for all matters related to the First Team.

 

Chairman Chris Mort said: "This is all part of the vision that recently helped us to secure Kevin Keegan's return to the Club as manager.

 

"Two of the conclusions of our strategic review, since acquiring the Club, were that the Club would benefit from having a football person involved at Board level, which it has not had historically, and that further senior resources are needed for recruiting players of the highest quality from this country and further afield.

 

"Dennis would like to move away from day-to-day football management to a Board role and, with his considerable energy and intelligence, we believe he will do very well in this new position.

 

"With Kevin able to devote his efforts to developing and running the first team squad, Dennis, Tony and Jeff will each help us to secure success for Newcastle United Football Club at all levels and for the long-term. One or two further key appointments will follow in the months ahead."

 

http://www.nufc.premiumtv.co.uk/page/NewsDetail/0,,10278~1227633,00.html

 

no mention of keegan buying players. how odd.

 

Where's that Wise quote where he clearly says he would run everything past KK?

 

where's the thing about xisco saying he met keegan and keegan help sell him on the club or something?

[NG32]

This is like a western style shoot out, sadly no guns just quotes and half truths.

[Parky]

Not evil, but if Ashley is proven to be trying to fleece the club for money, at least he never came out with the 'I'd only do what's best for the club' line...

 

It's sickening to think that someone who claims to 'understand' this club, would do this to the fans.

 

Naturally, his other business activities have no impact upon his decisions whatsoever. This is a fact.

 

He's doing f*** all to the fans

 

Ashley employed him, Ashley lied, Keegan walked, Ashley threatened Keegan with legal action of the clause saying he had to pay him X amount, Keegan takes them to court citing constructive dismissal.

 

+ keegan lied.

 

About what? Source?

 

There's been nothing in the press about this for obvious reasons so a few people on here must have inside knowledge 

 

about various things during his time here and from his own mouth. coupled with various mort quotes, he might find he hasnt much of a case.

 

Show us where he lied.

 

after a brief search,

 

When Keegan was asked about reports linking him with a return to Newcastle as director of football under then-manager Sam Allardyce, he said: "It's absolutely impossible to give Sam a job at Newcastle and then go and fetch someone who is going to be some sort of threat, it doesn't work.

 

"Sam would be a fool to let it happen and the guy who goes in would be a fool to accept it.

 

"The chairman, who is not a fool, would be a fool to go and do it, too. It doesn't work."

 

 

But Mort was quick to play down that speculation, saying of Wise's role: "When we interviewed Kevin for the manager's position we said we wanted a particular structure in place with someone experienced working with the board, particularly on recruitment and developing the Academy.

 

"At that time we had narrowed it down to two or three names and we gave those names to Kevin. He knew the structure and the individuals involved and we wanted to make sure he was comfortable with it."

 

 

 

"I think it's positive," Keegan said, "as long as I can get on with my job and I get all the help I need as it has been put to me. You'd be a fool to say, 'I don't want that'.

 

"I talked with Dennis before the game and he wished us all the best. I knew he was one of two or three names put forward.

 

"There's been no deception, it's been very open. I'm fine. I pretty much know, from conversations we've had, what Dennis is going to do and the idea, in principle, is very good, to go and look for new players, to bring a lot of youngsters in.

 

"I'm all for the changes, it's not a problem, I approve of them. We had this discussion when I took the job.

 

"They want somebody on the board who understands football and Dennis Wise, whatever anybody wants to write about him, understands football. I know Dennis and I think it'll work very well. He'll report to me."

 

Wise, the former Chelsea captain, will be joined on Tyneside by Tony Jimenez as vice-president (player recruitment) and Jeff Vetere, who joins from Real Madrid to take up the position of technical co-ordinator.

 

"This is all part of the vision that recently helped us to secure Kevin Keegan's return to the club as manager," Mort added

 

 

there's more about him wanting to break world transfer records even though he knows we cant. i'll find them later. feel free to dismiss these or twist to suit agenda.

 

How are those quotes incriminating?

 

called himself a fool, mort says keegan knew the system keegan now claims he didnt know about and he wanted wise here.

 

i see you chose dismiss.

 

No mention of what the 'structure' is, just a vague mention from Mort that one is actually in place. The majority of people assumed that said structure was that Wise, Vetere and Jiminez would identify players and that KK would have the final say and that's how it was presented be people at the club too.

 

Ashley coming out and telling fans the Keegan buys the players and Wise is only concerned with bringing in half a dozen youngsters a season and then saying the complete opposite once Keegan had walked is ten times more incriminating. MA stitched himself up with that'un.

 

would they just say "oh there'll be a structure you'll have to abide by, more on that later"? he knew what is was and agreed to it. simple.

 

maybe that was the original plan until keegan started asking him to break world records, which we obviously cant do?

 

How do you know that he knew? Were you there? If he knew then why apparently did Mike Ashley not know, considering it is his club?

 

As for the 'world record transfer fees' and bids for shit players, haven't some members of both the local and national press confirmed that story was put about by Jiminez?

 

ah, the old "were you there?" argument. mort said keegan knew, keegan said he knew. end of?

 

http://www.newcastle-online.org/nufcforum/index.php/topic,60446.msg1719304.html#msg1719304 - the quotes in there back up the story.

 

KK has never said anything other than Wise was there to help him spot transfers (whether Academy or higher).

 

 

[ChezGiven]

NEWCASTLE United announces that Dennis Wise has agreed to join the Club in the role of Executive Director (Football). Also joining the Club are Tony Jimenez as Vice President (Player Recruitment) and Jeff Vetere, who joins from Real Madrid in the position of Technical Co-ordinator.

 

Dennis will assist the Board on football-related matters, including the development of the Club's Academy and player recruitment. He will report to the Chairman. Tony and Jeff will also assist in player recruitment.

 

The arrival of these three new recruits follows on from the recent appointment of Kevin Keegan as manager. Kevin will be responsible for all matters related to the First Team.

 

Chairman Chris Mort said: "This is all part of the vision that recently helped us to secure Kevin Keegan's return to the Club as manager.

 

"Two of the conclusions of our strategic review, since acquiring the Club, were that the Club would benefit from having a football person involved at Board level, which it has not had historically, and that further senior resources are needed for recruiting players of the highest quality from this country and further afield.

 

"Dennis would like to move away from day-to-day football management to a Board role and, with his considerable energy and intelligence, we believe he will do very well in this new position.

 

"With Kevin able to devote his efforts to developing and running the first team squad, Dennis, Tony and Jeff will each help us to secure success for Newcastle United Football Club at all levels and for the long-term. One or two further key appointments will follow in the months ahead."

 

http://www.nufc.premiumtv.co.uk/page/NewsDetail/0,,10278~1227633,00.html

 

no mention of keegan buying players. how odd.

 

Where's that Wise quote where he clearly says he would run everything past KK? Why would he say that if his remit was so clear...running the show an all.

 

You have to make you're mind up..Was/is Wise in total control of player transfers?

 

This is the crux, it was running that way until the relationship fell apart.

 

As i've said many times, understanding this element of the story is the key to the whole affair.

[Parky]

NEWCASTLE United announces that Dennis Wise has agreed to join the Club in the role of Executive Director (Football). Also joining the Club are Tony Jimenez as Vice President (Player Recruitment) and Jeff Vetere, who joins from Real Madrid in the position of Technical Co-ordinator.

 

Dennis will assist the Board on football-related matters, including the development of the Club's Academy and player recruitment. He will report to the Chairman. Tony and Jeff will also assist in player recruitment.

 

The arrival of these three new recruits follows on from the recent appointment of Kevin Keegan as manager. Kevin will be responsible for all matters related to the First Team.

 

Chairman Chris Mort said: "This is all part of the vision that recently helped us to secure Kevin Keegan's return to the Club as manager.

 

"Two of the conclusions of our strategic review, since acquiring the Club, were that the Club would benefit from having a football person involved at Board level, which it has not had historically, and that further senior resources are needed for recruiting players of the highest quality from this country and further afield.

 

"Dennis would like to move away from day-to-day football management to a Board role and, with his considerable energy and intelligence, we believe he will do very well in this new position.

 

"With Kevin able to devote his efforts to developing and running the first team squad, Dennis, Tony and Jeff will each help us to secure success for Newcastle United Football Club at all levels and for the long-term. One or two further key appointments will follow in the months ahead."

 

http://www.nufc.premiumtv.co.uk/page/NewsDetail/0,,10278~1227633,00.html

 

no mention of keegan buying players. how odd.

 

Where's that Wise quote where he clearly says he would run everything past KK?

 

where's the thing about xisco saying he met keegan and keegan help sell him on the club or something?

 

How many games has this lad played btw?

[Parky]

NEWCASTLE United announces that Dennis Wise has agreed to join the Club in the role of Executive Director (Football). Also joining the Club are Tony Jimenez as Vice President (Player Recruitment) and Jeff Vetere, who joins from Real Madrid in the position of Technical Co-ordinator.

 

Dennis will assist the Board on football-related matters, including the development of the Club's Academy and player recruitment. He will report to the Chairman. Tony and Jeff will also assist in player recruitment.

 

The arrival of these three new recruits follows on from the recent appointment of Kevin Keegan as manager. Kevin will be responsible for all matters related to the First Team.

 

Chairman Chris Mort said: "This is all part of the vision that recently helped us to secure Kevin Keegan's return to the Club as manager.

 

"Two of the conclusions of our strategic review, since acquiring the Club, were that the Club would benefit from having a football person involved at Board level, which it has not had historically, and that further senior resources are needed for recruiting players of the highest quality from this country and further afield.

 

"Dennis would like to move away from day-to-day football management to a Board role and, with his considerable energy and intelligence, we believe he will do very well in this new position.

 

"With Kevin able to devote his efforts to developing and running the first team squad, Dennis, Tony and Jeff will each help us to secure success for Newcastle United Football Club at all levels and for the long-term. One or two further key appointments will follow in the months ahead."

 

http://www.nufc.premiumtv.co.uk/page/NewsDetail/0,,10278~1227633,00.html

 

no mention of keegan buying players. how odd.

 

Where's that Wise quote where he clearly says he would run everything past KK? Why would he say that if his remit was so clear...running the show an all.

 

You have to make you're mind up..Was/is Wise in total control of player transfers?

 

This is the crux, it was running that way until the relationship fell apart.

 

As i've said many times, understanding this element of the story is the key to the whole affair.

 

Totally agree.

[Guest The Libertine]

NEWCASTLE United announces that Dennis Wise has agreed to join the Club in the role of Executive Director (Football). Also joining the Club are Tony Jimenez as Vice President (Player Recruitment) and Jeff Vetere, who joins from Real Madrid in the position of Technical Co-ordinator.

 

Dennis will assist the Board on football-related matters, including the development of the Club's Academy and player recruitment. He will report to the Chairman. Tony and Jeff will also assist in player recruitment.

 

The arrival of these three new recruits follows on from the recent appointment of Kevin Keegan as manager. Kevin will be responsible for all matters related to the First Team.

 

Chairman Chris Mort said: "This is all part of the vision that recently helped us to secure Kevin Keegan's return to the Club as manager.

 

"Two of the conclusions of our strategic review, since acquiring the Club, were that the Club would benefit from having a football person involved at Board level, which it has not had historically, and that further senior resources are needed for recruiting players of the highest quality from this country and further afield.

 

"Dennis would like to move away from day-to-day football management to a Board role and, with his considerable energy and intelligence, we believe he will do very well in this new position.

 

"With Kevin able to devote his efforts to developing and running the first team squad, Dennis, Tony and Jeff will each help us to secure success for Newcastle United Football Club at all levels and for the long-term. One or two further key appointments will follow in the months ahead."

 

http://www.nufc.premiumtv.co.uk/page/NewsDetail/0,,10278~1227633,00.html

 

no mention of keegan buying players. how odd.

 

Where's that Wise quote where he clearly says he would run everything past KK?

 

where's the thing about xisco saying he met keegan and keegan help sell him on the club or something?

 

How many games has this lad played btw?

 

here it is...

 

He said: 'My dream move must not be tarnished by these rumours.

 

'When I flew in on Monday, the club presented me to Kevin Keegan. He talked to me in a bit of detail about his plans for the footballing development of the club.

 

'That was an important moment for me in my decision to accept this incredible turn of events.

 

'I just can’t believe he won’t be there when I get back from international duty.

 

 

again, how odd.

[timnufc22]

With Vetre & Jimmenez bieng the scouts also (& having that title), what else does Wise (DOF) do aswell as scout? Report to the Chairman about football matters... shouldnt that have been Keegan?

[Guest The Libertine]

also, for anyone who still believes kinnear,

 

When asked if Ashley's handling of the Keegan situation was a mistake, Kinnear replied: "I could tell you lots of things about that. You will have to wait and see. You might be pleasantly surprised. You are making an assumption like most of the journalists up here. 75 per cent of you are wrong.

 

"Wait until you see the statements. All will be revealed, that is all I have to say."

[Tooj]

also, for anyone who still believes kinnear,

 

When asked if Ashley's handling of the Keegan situation was a mistake, Kinnear replied: "I could tell you lots of things about that. You will have to wait and see. You might be pleasantly surprised. You are making an assumption like most of the journalists up here. 75 per cent of you are wrong.

 

"Wait until you see the statements. All will be revealed, that is all I have to say."

 

Then also going by JKF's notion we'd be run by Nigerians now while having Keegan still as manager.

[Parky]

NEWCASTLE United announces that Dennis Wise has agreed to join the Club in the role of Executive Director (Football). Also joining the Club are Tony Jimenez as Vice President (Player Recruitment) and Jeff Vetere, who joins from Real Madrid in the position of Technical Co-ordinator.

 

Dennis will assist the Board on football-related matters, including the development of the Club's Academy and player recruitment. He will report to the Chairman. Tony and Jeff will also assist in player recruitment.

 

The arrival of these three new recruits follows on from the recent appointment of Kevin Keegan as manager. Kevin will be responsible for all matters related to the First Team.

 

Chairman Chris Mort said: "This is all part of the vision that recently helped us to secure Kevin Keegan's return to the Club as manager.

 

"Two of the conclusions of our strategic review, since acquiring the Club, were that the Club would benefit from having a football person involved at Board level, which it has not had historically, and that further senior resources are needed for recruiting players of the highest quality from this country and further afield.

 

"Dennis would like to move away from day-to-day football management to a Board role and, with his considerable energy and intelligence, we believe he will do very well in this new position.

 

"With Kevin able to devote his efforts to developing and running the first team squad, Dennis, Tony and Jeff will each help us to secure success for Newcastle United Football Club at all levels and for the long-term. One or two further key appointments will follow in the months ahead."

 

http://www.nufc.premiumtv.co.uk/page/NewsDetail/0,,10278~1227633,00.html

 

no mention of keegan buying players. how odd.

 

Where's that Wise quote where he clearly says he would run everything past KK?

 

where's the thing about xisco saying he met keegan and keegan help sell him on the club or something?

 

How many games has this lad played btw?

 

here it is...

 

He said: 'My dream move must not be tarnished by these rumours.

 

'When I flew in on Monday, the club presented me to Kevin Keegan. He talked to me in a bit of detail about his plans for the footballing development of the club.

 

'That was an important moment for me in my decision to accept this incredible turn of events.

 

'I just can’t believe he won’t be there when I get back from international duty.

 

 

again, how odd.

 

He watched Bassong and ok'd him. Not sure what your point is.

 

Perhaps it was the Milner fiasco?

 

At what point did KK realise he had little or no control?

[ChezGiven]

This is like a western style shoot out, sadly no guns just quotes and half truths.

 

And what the literalists amongst us fail to recognise is that they are analysing a dynamic situation which evolved over time.

 

Therefore, quotes become outdated and irrelevant over time as the situation evolved.

 

Agreement -> Situation -> change - > new situation - > old quote based on first agreement irrelevant.

 

What was the change?

[Happy Face]

All the contradictions you need on this subject are right here....

 

http://nufc-ashlies.blogspot.com/2009/02/whos-buying.html

 

[Parky]

This is like a western style shoot out, sadly no guns just quotes and half truths.

 

And what the literalists amongst us fail to recognise is that they are analysing a dynamic situation which evolved over time.

 

Therefore, quotes become outdated and irrelevant over time as the situation evolved.

 

Agreement -> Situation -> change - > new situation - > old quote based on first agreement irrelevant.

 

What was the change?

 

Milner?

[Tooj]

Not evil, but if Ashley is proven to be trying to fleece the club for money, at least he never came out with the 'I'd only do what's best for the club' line...

 

It's sickening to think that someone who claims to 'understand' this club, would do this to the fans.

 

Naturally, his other business activities have no impact upon his decisions whatsoever. This is a fact.

 

I suppose you feel the same about SBR then too?

[ChezGiven]

This is like a western style shoot out, sadly no guns just quotes and half truths.

 

And what the literalists amongst us fail to recognise is that they are analysing a dynamic situation which evolved over time.

 

Therefore, quotes become outdated and irrelevant over time as the situation evolved.

 

Agreement -> Situation -> change - > new situation - > old quote based on first agreement irrelevant.

 

What was the change?

 

Milner?

 

No, as i outlined at length at the time, Keegan's discontent surfaced a few months after he joined. By March, Louise Taylor and her colleague at the Mail were referring to Keegan's discontent. This was seen publically for the first time after the home defeat against Chelsea.

 

This discontent continued over the summer with repeated stories in the press and the infamous (and unreported press conference) at Newcastle airport where he refused to say anything on the record.

 

The milner transfer was only a glint in O'Neil's watery eye at this time.

[Ronaldo]

Not evil, but if Ashley is proven to be trying to fleece the club for money, at least he never came out with the 'I'd only do what's best for the club' line...

 

It's sickening to think that someone who claims to 'understand' this club, would do this to the fans.

 

Naturally, his other business activities have no impact upon his decisions whatsoever. This is a fact.

 

I suppose you feel the same about SBR then too?

 

SBR was sacked

[Parky]

This is like a western style shoot out, sadly no guns just quotes and half truths.

 

And what the literalists amongst us fail to recognise is that they are analysing a dynamic situation which evolved over time.

 

Therefore, quotes become outdated and irrelevant over time as the situation evolved.

 

Agreement -> Situation -> change - > new situation - > old quote based on first agreement irrelevant.

 

What was the change?

 

Milner?

 

No, as i outlined at length at the time, Keegan's discontent surfaced a few months after he joined. By March, Louise Taylor and her colleague at the Mail were referring to Keegan's discontent. This was seen publically for the first time after the home defeat against Chelsea.

 

This discontent continued over the summer with repeated stories in the press and the infamous (and unreported press conference) at Newcastle airport where he refused to say anything on the record.

 

The milner transfer was only a glint in O'Neil's watery eye at this time.

 

There have been some hair-raising goings-on outside the castle at Elsinore. As the terrified Horatio and Marcellus look on, the ghost of the recently deceased king appears to Prince Hamlet. The spirit beckons Hamlet offstage, and the frenzied prince follows after, ordering the witnesses to stay put. They quickly decide to tag along anyway—it's not "fit" to obey someone who is in such a desperate state. In this confused exchange, Marcellus's famous non sequitur sustains the foreboding mood of the disjointed and mysterious action. And it reinforces the point and tone of some of Hamlet's earlier remarks—for example, that Denmark is "an unweeded garden" of "things rank and gross in nature" (Act 1, scene 2). When his father's ghost tells him his chilling tale in scene 5, the prince will realize just how rotten things really are in Denmark.

[ChezGiven]

This is like a western style shoot out, sadly no guns just quotes and half truths.

 

And what the literalists amongst us fail to recognise is that they are analysing a dynamic situation which evolved over time.

 

Therefore, quotes become outdated and irrelevant over time as the situation evolved.

 

Agreement -> Situation -> change - > new situation - > old quote based on first agreement irrelevant.

 

What was the change?

 

Milner?

 

No, as i outlined at length at the time, Keegan's discontent surfaced a few months after he joined. By March, Louise Taylor and her colleague at the Mail were referring to Keegan's discontent. This was seen publically for the first time after the home defeat against Chelsea.

 

This discontent continued over the summer with repeated stories in the press and the infamous (and unreported press conference) at Newcastle airport where he refused to say anything on the record.

 

The milner transfer was only a glint in O'Neil's watery eye at this time.

 

There have been some hair-raising goings-on outside the castle at Elsinore. As the terrified Horatio and Marcellus look on, the ghost of the recently deceased king appears to Prince Hamlet. The spirit beckons Hamlet offstage, and the frenzied prince follows after, ordering the witnesses to stay put. They quickly decide to tag along anyway—it's not "fit" to obey someone who is in such a desperate state. In this confused exchange, Marcellus's famous non sequitur sustains the foreboding mood of the disjointed and mysterious action. And it reinforces the point and tone of some of Hamlet's earlier remarks—for example, that Denmark is "an unweeded garden" of "things rank and gross in nature" (Act 1, scene 2). When his father's ghost tells him his chilling tale in scene 5, the prince will realize just how rotten things really are in Denmark.

 

Is that a quote from the proposed Skelbred transfer?

[Parky]

This is like a western style shoot out, sadly no guns just quotes and half truths.

 

And what the literalists amongst us fail to recognise is that they are analysing a dynamic situation which evolved over time.

 

Therefore, quotes become outdated and irrelevant over time as the situation evolved.

 

Agreement -> Situation -> change - > new situation - > old quote based on first agreement irrelevant.

 

What was the change?

 

Milner?

 

No, as i outlined at length at the time, Keegan's discontent surfaced a few months after he joined. By March, Louise Taylor and her colleague at the Mail were referring to Keegan's discontent. This was seen publically for the first time after the home defeat against Chelsea.

 

This discontent continued over the summer with repeated stories in the press and the infamous (and unreported press conference) at Newcastle airport where he refused to say anything on the record.

 

The milner transfer was only a glint in O'Neil's watery eye at this time.

 

There have been some hair-raising goings-on outside the castle at Elsinore. As the terrified Horatio and Marcellus look on, the ghost of the recently deceased king appears to Prince Hamlet. The spirit beckons Hamlet offstage, and the frenzied prince follows after, ordering the witnesses to stay put. They quickly decide to tag along anyway—it's not "fit" to obey someone who is in such a desperate state. In this confused exchange, Marcellus's famous non sequitur sustains the foreboding mood of the disjointed and mysterious action. And it reinforces the point and tone of some of Hamlet's earlier remarks—for example, that Denmark is "an unweeded garden" of "things rank and gross in nature" (Act 1, scene 2). When his father's ghost tells him his chilling tale in scene 5, the prince will realize just how rotten things really are in Denmark.

 

Is that a quote from the proposed Skelbred transfer?

 

 

[Tooj]

Not evil, but if Ashley is proven to be trying to fleece the club for money, at least he never came out with the 'I'd only do what's best for the club' line...

 

It's sickening to think that someone who claims to 'understand' this club, would do this to the fans.

 

Naturally, his other business activities have no impact upon his decisions whatsoever. This is a fact.

 

I suppose you feel the same about SBR then too?

 

SBR was sacked

 

Yet he still took the club to court.

[Disco]

So as long we air the dirty washing in public as always.

Yup. More shite PR that we just dont need

 

Does my fucking box in. Being shit on the field is something that afflicts many teams & is almost fair enough but none have all the fucking crap off-field. Its like a never ending joke and we're the punchline.

[ChezGiven]

This is like a western style shoot out, sadly no guns just quotes and half truths.

 

And what the literalists amongst us fail to recognise is that they are analysing a dynamic situation which evolved over time.

 

Therefore, quotes become outdated and irrelevant over time as the situation evolved.

 

Agreement -> Situation -> change - > new situation - > old quote based on first agreement irrelevant.

 

What was the change?

 

Milner?

 

No, as i outlined at length at the time, Keegan's discontent surfaced a few months after he joined. By March, Louise Taylor and her colleague at the Mail were referring to Keegan's discontent. This was seen publically for the first time after the home defeat against Chelsea.

 

This discontent continued over the summer with repeated stories in the press and the infamous (and unreported press conference) at Newcastle airport where he refused to say anything on the record.

 

The milner transfer was only a glint in O'Neil's watery eye at this time.

 

There have been some hair-raising goings-on outside the castle at Elsinore. As the terrified Horatio and Marcellus look on, the ghost of the recently deceased king appears to Prince Hamlet. The spirit beckons Hamlet offstage, and the frenzied prince follows after, ordering the witnesses to stay put. They quickly decide to tag along anyway—it's not "fit" to obey someone who is in such a desperate state. In this confused exchange, Marcellus's famous non sequitur sustains the foreboding mood of the disjointed and mysterious action. And it reinforces the point and tone of some of Hamlet's earlier remarks—for example, that Denmark is "an unweeded garden" of "things rank and gross in nature" (Act 1, scene 2). When his father's ghost tells him his chilling tale in scene 5, the prince will realize just how rotten things really are in Denmark.

 

Is that a quote from the proposed Skelbred transfer?

 

 

 

Xisco and Nacho are in fact perfect metaphors for Rosencrantz and Guildenstern.