NE5 Posted April 5, 2009 Share Posted April 5, 2009 how many years are people going to go around blaming the defiency of managers when they aren't given the tools to do the job with ? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cajun Posted April 5, 2009 Share Posted April 5, 2009 Do we need another one of those threads? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luc Posted April 5, 2009 Share Posted April 5, 2009 The thing that annoys me the most is that Ryan Taylor seems to believe he can take brilliant set pieces. He tries to look like Beckam taking a freekick but as soon as the ball leaves his foot every similarity ends. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
NE5 Posted April 5, 2009 Share Posted April 5, 2009 Do we need another one of those threads? what sort of threads ? Just read my comment again, and comment on it, or not. Choice is yours. I'm stating a simple fact, which is that if you want a manager to be successful for you, you have to give him the proper tools to do the job. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cajun Posted April 5, 2009 Share Posted April 5, 2009 The sort of threads you are always involved in, where do you think this thread is going to go? Will we be still talking about Taylor and Nolan if people engage in a conversation with you? I don't. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yorkie Posted April 5, 2009 Share Posted April 5, 2009 Do we need another one of those threads? what sort of threads ? Just read my comment again, and comment on it, or not. Choice is yours. I'm stating a simple fact, which is that if you want a manager to be successful for you, you have to give him the proper tools to do the job. I disagree. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pilko Posted April 5, 2009 Share Posted April 5, 2009 Do we need another one of those threads? what sort of threads ? Just read my comment again, and comment on it, or not. Choice is yours. I'm stating a simple fact, which is that if you want a manager to be successful for you, you have to give him the proper tools to do the job. I disagree. As do I. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
NE5 Posted April 5, 2009 Share Posted April 5, 2009 The sort of threads you are always involved in, where do you think this thread is going to go? Will we be still talking about Taylor and Nolan if people engage in a conversation with you? I don't. my point remains. If you want a manager to be successful, you have to give him the tools to be successful. I don't necessarily agree with the assessment of Nolan, but I certainly think Ryan Taylor falls into the category of 2nd rate player bought by manager made to operate on small amount of money by unambitious owner. So to that degree, how can you blame Kinnear for buying him ? To a degree, the players bought last summer also fall into the category, including Guthrie, who Keegan says was his choice. He's not good enough either. I think Keegan was setting higher standards and bought him as a squad player, expecting to be able to bring in better players, which is a fair outlook, if it had happened. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest The Libertine Posted April 5, 2009 Share Posted April 5, 2009 n'zogbia was refusing to play, was desperate to leave and had probably the worst attitude at the club. we shouldnt have kept him because he has a few good games a season. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
biggs Posted April 5, 2009 Share Posted April 5, 2009 Do we need another one of those threads? what sort of threads ? Just read my comment again, and comment on it, or not. Choice is yours. I'm stating a simple fact, which is that if you want a manager to be successful for you, you have to give him the proper tools to do the job. But surely there are better players around then Raylor and Kinnear is a bad judge in that case if he targeted him. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Segun Oluwaniyi Posted April 5, 2009 Share Posted April 5, 2009 Nolan is the exact kind of signing that got us into the situation we are in now. I didn't problems signing Ryan taylor, but he has not been godd enough so far. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
NE5 Posted April 5, 2009 Share Posted April 5, 2009 n'zogbia was refusing to play, was desperate to leave and had probably the worst attitude at the club. we shouldnt have kept him because he has a few good games a season. you are joking aren't you Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest The Libertine Posted April 5, 2009 Share Posted April 5, 2009 n'zogbia was refusing to play, was desperate to leave and had probably the worst attitude at the club. we shouldnt have kept him because he has a few good games a season. you are joking aren't you yeah, i was. that wasnt the situation at all. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
NE5 Posted April 5, 2009 Share Posted April 5, 2009 n'zogbia was refusing to play, was desperate to leave and had probably the worst attitude at the club. we shouldnt have kept him because he has a few good games a season. you are joking aren't you yeah, i was. that wasnt the situation at all. Good. I'm pleased you don't recognise a situation whereby a talented player is unhappy at the club. Lets not bother to find out why, nor why he thinks Wigan is a step up for him. Marvellous. Welcome back to the old days, when we were run like a corner shop and had zero ambition. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Segun Oluwaniyi Posted April 5, 2009 Share Posted April 5, 2009 n'zogbia was refusing to play, was desperate to leave and had probably the worst attitude at the club. we shouldnt have kept him because he has a few good games a season. you are joking aren't you yeah, i was. that wasnt the situation at all. Good. I'm pleased you don't recognise a situation whereby a talented player is unhappy at the club. Lets not bother to find out why, nor why he thinks Wigan is a step up for him. Marvellous. Welcome back to the old days, when we were run like a corner shop and had zero ambition. N'Zogbia is at Wigan because his performances at Newcastle did not warrant a move to the places he wanted to go. He wore out his welcome at the club and now he's using Wigan as his "stepping stone". Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest The Libertine Posted April 5, 2009 Share Posted April 5, 2009 another thread on course for hijacking for no reason. those PM's worked wonders. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Posted April 5, 2009 Share Posted April 5, 2009 If nobody bites there's no problem. Stick to talking about N'Zogbia. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest The Libertine Posted April 6, 2009 Share Posted April 6, 2009 If nobody bites there's no problem. Stick to talking about N'Zogbia. i was and got 2 WUM attempts back. its all fine and well to say "dont bite" but if there is nothing to "bite" at then we wont and threads will still have relevancy after the first 2 pages. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
NE5 Posted April 6, 2009 Share Posted April 6, 2009 another thread on course for hijacking for no reason. those PM's worked wonders. I disagree with you. In fact I think you show complete naivety and lack of understanding of how a football club should set itself up if it wants to be successful. Nowt to do with a wind up and nowt to do with any pm's, so why don't you just wrap in the bollocks about hijacking threads. Reply sensibly to what I say, and you'll get a sensible response. I understand you can't reply, so thats why you spout the bollocks about hijacking, but give it a go and try ? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
NE5 Posted April 6, 2009 Share Posted April 6, 2009 n'zogbia was refusing to play, was desperate to leave and had probably the worst attitude at the club. we shouldnt have kept him because he has a few good games a season. you are joking aren't you yeah, i was. that wasnt the situation at all. Good. I'm pleased you don't recognise a situation whereby a talented player is unhappy at the club. Lets not bother to find out why, nor why he thinks Wigan is a step up for him. Marvellous. Welcome back to the old days, when we were run like a corner shop and had zero ambition. N'Zogbia is at Wigan because his performances at Newcastle did not warrant a move to the places he wanted to go. He wore out his welcome at the club and now he's using Wigan as his "stepping stone". and [on topic] Ryan Taylor is a superior replacement then ? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
gonufc Posted April 6, 2009 Share Posted April 6, 2009 There's a reason Wigan were willing to let Ryan Taylor go so easily. That reason is that he isn't very good. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest battyleespeed Posted April 6, 2009 Share Posted April 6, 2009 At first glance Taylor appeared to be a great piece of business. 800k for a utility player who was considered a set piece specialist. I wouldn't have a problem with a clogger like that in the team if he could actually do the dirty work to a minimum standard required. The problem is, he can't. Weak as piss and gets constantly caught out of position. I suspect Nolan will eventually come good. He's got the right mentality, uses the ball intelligently and can tackle. He's probably doing something wrong with his diet and/or training regime for having lost so much mobility. Wonder if Big Sam's sports science team had his diet and training regime spot on? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jayson Posted April 6, 2009 Share Posted April 6, 2009 Ryan taylors inability to take a decent free kick now is a perfect example of what the pressure of nufc can do to a player. Theres no way a player who can score so many free kicks against us with ease...who looked so good in that first game for us suddenly cant even get it past the first man. Must have been training with Geremi. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ronaldo Posted April 6, 2009 Share Posted April 6, 2009 Ryan taylors inability to take a decent free kick now is a perfect example of what the pressure of nufc can do to a player. Theres no way a player who can score so many free kicks against us with ease...who looked so good in that first game for us suddenly cant even get it past the first man. Must have been training with Geremi. did you watch the WBA game or just the highlights on MOTD? He didn't even look that good then Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jayson Posted April 6, 2009 Share Posted April 6, 2009 Ryan taylors inability to take a decent free kick now is a perfect example of what the pressure of nufc can do to a player. Theres no way a player who can score so many free kicks against us with ease...who looked so good in that first game for us suddenly cant even get it past the first man. Must have been training with Geremi. did you watch the WBA game or just the highlights on MOTD? He didn't even look that good then Because your opinion is so often well thought out isnt it. Most were praising Taylor then & he did similar for Wigan. It doesnt all dissapear miraculously, if you have the ability you have it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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