NG32 Posted July 22, 2009 Share Posted July 22, 2009 its just sunk in this morning - this is a f***ing nightmare. we cant even get relegated normally. that we actually got relegated was disastrous enough, but at least there was the positive of wiping the slate clean with new owners, a new squad and relative stability (eventually). nope, we dont even get that. we absolutely will not get sold this time either - even the press have ran out of bullshit to report. its got so bad, i'd even take ashley staying, as long as it meant a good manager in by tomorrow so we can sort the squad out. SOMEONE HELP US! Nufc.com seems to imply that Ashley is staying but is simply going to asset strip the squad, we're well and truly knackered, league one here we come. I just read that, seems like they know something we don't. Aye, read that as well. Seems pretty damning. Looks like we have't even reached the bottom yet, might have a long way to go. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Geordie Posted July 22, 2009 Share Posted July 22, 2009 If the asset stripping does happen, then any proceeds will head straight into Ashley's back pocket and not into the club. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRon Posted July 22, 2009 Share Posted July 22, 2009 its just sunk in this morning - this is a f***ing nightmare. we cant even get relegated normally. that we actually got relegated was disastrous enough, but at least there was the positive of wiping the slate clean with new owners, a new squad and relative stability (eventually). nope, we dont even get that. we absolutely will not get sold this time either - even the press have ran out of bullshit to report. its got so bad, i'd even take ashley staying, as long as it meant a good manager in by tomorrow so we can sort the squad out. SOMEONE HELP US! Nufc.com seems to imply that Ashley is staying but is simply going to asset strip the squad, we're well and truly knackered, league one here we come. If that's the case then sniffing out Ashley's whereabouts and having a fruitful discussion with the southern based Newcastle owner might become a prority for some fans...who might well be carrying baseball bats on the off chance of catching a game if the good weather forecast for August is correct. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
J7 Posted July 22, 2009 Share Posted July 22, 2009 its just sunk in this morning - this is a f***ing nightmare. we cant even get relegated normally. that we actually got relegated was disastrous enough, but at least there was the positive of wiping the slate clean with new owners, a new squad and relative stability (eventually). nope, we dont even get that. we absolutely will not get sold this time either - even the press have ran out of bullshit to report. its got so bad, i'd even take ashley staying, as long as it meant a good manager in by tomorrow so we can sort the squad out. SOMEONE HELP US! Nufc.com seems to imply that Ashley is staying but is simply going to asset strip the squad, we're well and truly knackered, league one here we come. If that's the case then sniffing out Ashley's whereabouts and having a fruitful discussion with the southern based Newcastle owner might become a prority for some fans...who might well be carrying baseball bats on the off chance of catching a game if the good weather forecast for August is correct. It sounds ridiculous, but its getting that way if nufc.com are correct. He doesnt seem to pay attention to anything else. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
afar Posted July 22, 2009 Share Posted July 22, 2009 I'm starting to think that the FA really needs to intervene here at some point. I know it's a private sale of a company, which they'll argue is out of their control, but the current owner's apparent desire to do nothing that is in the best interests of the club, is damaging to the game in general, especially as it's one of the best supported clubs in the country. Time for the spineless FA or football league to act, IYAM. If nothing else to insist on more visibility on the process which is leaving the fans in the dark. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
NG32 Posted July 22, 2009 Share Posted July 22, 2009 I'm starting to think that the FA really needs to intervene here at some point. I know it's a private sale of a company, which they'll argue is out of their control, but the current owner's apparent desire to do nothing that is in the best interests of the club, is damaging to the game in general, especially as it's one of the best supported clubs in the country. Time for the spineless FA or football league to act, IYAM. If nothing else to insist on more visibility on the process which is leaving the fans in the dark. Loads of clubs have been treat like this, what makes our case any different. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Geordie Posted July 22, 2009 Share Posted July 22, 2009 The FA or rather the Football League will be powerless here. The only time they will intervene is to dock points if he puts us in administation. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
afar Posted July 22, 2009 Share Posted July 22, 2009 I'm starting to think that the FA really needs to intervene here at some point. I know it's a private sale of a company, which they'll argue is out of their control, but the current owner's apparent desire to do nothing that is in the best interests of the club, is damaging to the game in general, especially as it's one of the best supported clubs in the country. Time for the spineless FA or football league to act, IYAM. If nothing else to insist on more visibility on the process which is leaving the fans in the dark. Loads of clubs have been treat like this, what makes our case any different. I'm not sure they have. A lot of clubs like Leeds and Southampton have been left in a mess due to financial problems, but I'm struggling to thinkof an example of another club that had it's owner apparently willfully doing everything in his power to damage the club. Even the likes of Doug Ellis at Villa could be argued to having what he viewed as the best intersts of the club in mind. Ashley does not, he has no interest at all, it would appear that he would rather run the club into the ground than accept any offer that does not meet his valuation. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
sander68 Posted July 22, 2009 Share Posted July 22, 2009 you boys know i dont often post on here something ive heard, unless its off one of my most trusted sources with inside knowledge on the club/player in question. Had an interesting talk tonight with an associate of mine, and he believes thursday will be the key day here with a decision being made. Hopefully is true Hope the fuck it is. Sick of waiting tbh. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
afar Posted July 22, 2009 Share Posted July 22, 2009 The FA or rather the Football League will be powerless here. The only time they will intervene is to dock points if he puts us in administation. They may be appear to be powerless but they can put the club under pressure, I've not heard a single word from them about the fiasco at all. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ohmelads Posted July 22, 2009 Share Posted July 22, 2009 I'm starting to think that the FA really needs to intervene here at some point. I know it's a private sale of a company, which they'll argue is out of their control, but the current owner's apparent desire to do nothing that is in the best interests of the club, is damaging to the game in general, especially as it's one of the best supported clubs in the country. Time for the spineless FA or football league to act, IYAM. If nothing else to insist on more visibility on the process which is leaving the fans in the dark. Loads of clubs have been treat like this, what makes our case any different. I can't think of any precedent for the way our club has been run over the last 18 months. Think back to everything that's gone on and it's quite incredible, as everybody has already said you couldn't make it up. You would think someone would know when to cut his losses. Why is he still here? What is he waiting for? The club is becoming worth less by the day and he's holding out for more money? It makes no sense at all. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Geordie Posted July 22, 2009 Share Posted July 22, 2009 The FA or rather the Football League will be powerless here. The only time they will intervene is to dock points if he puts us in administation. They may be appear to be powerless but they can put the club under pressure, I've not heard a single word from them about the fiasco at all. What pressure can they actually put on though? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dokko Posted July 22, 2009 Share Posted July 22, 2009 The FA or rather the Football League will be powerless here. The only time they will intervene is to dock points if he puts us in administation. They may be appear to be powerless but they can put the club under pressure, I've not heard a single word from them about the fiasco at all. What pressure can they actually put on though? Who cares...Let's give them something to do and bombard their email addy with requests as to why they've not stepped in, is it right Ashley can destroy a club like this, and why such a person as Ashley was allowed to take control of a club in the first place. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wallace Posted July 22, 2009 Share Posted July 22, 2009 I don't recall another instance where the owner has basically walked away, refused to appoint a manager and to put any more money in. He is the owner - he cannot just abdicate all responsibility. He is responsible for a lot of the mess we are in and to basically wash his hands of it, is unbelievable. I think if players can be charged for bringing the game into disrepute, then those at board level should be as well. I don't expect any questions to be asked and Ashley wouldn't care anyway. At some point though, they are going to have to appoint a manager - but other than Shearer (and that could change soon), who would want it. If he is about to start the fire sale, I can't see any credible manager wanting the job. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BottledDog Posted July 22, 2009 Share Posted July 22, 2009 The FA or rather the Football League will be powerless here. The only time they will intervene is to dock points if he puts us in administation. They may be appear to be powerless but they can put the club under pressure, I've not heard a single word from them about the fiasco at all. All the FA know, as all the quotes from the officially involved parties continue to emphasise, is that the club is in the proccess of being sold. While the way it is dragging on is beyond fucking frustrating and seemingly incompetent, there is just no actual evidence of any 'fiasco', just papertalk and rumour, shit stirring and paranoia. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
afar Posted July 22, 2009 Share Posted July 22, 2009 The FA or rather the Football League will be powerless here. The only time they will intervene is to dock points if he puts us in administation. They may be appear to be powerless but they can put the club under pressure, I've not heard a single word from them about the fiasco at all. What pressure can they actually put on though? They can voice their concerns, they can make threats that they will act if they see evidence of Ashley intentially damaging the club. They can act, even if it's just a fine, under "best interests of the game" umbrella. Right now they are just standing by and letting it happen, if he goes into full asset stripping mode which NUFC.com are alluding too and they don't act then they are not doing their job as administers of the game. We are not talking about a small little club here, this is a big club with a huge fanbase and a proud tradition, if you think the FA's role is not to ensure they do everything they can to save clubs like that (because make no mistake about it, administration is just around the corner if this continues) then you've got a perverted sense of what a footballing authority should do. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
J7 Posted July 22, 2009 Share Posted July 22, 2009 Which Ashley could put an end to. If nothings happened by the Leeds game I can see bother after the game. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Geordie Posted July 22, 2009 Share Posted July 22, 2009 The FA or rather the Football League will be powerless here. The only time they will intervene is to dock points if he puts us in administation. They may be appear to be powerless but they can put the club under pressure, I've not heard a single word from them about the fiasco at all. What pressure can they actually put on though? They can voice their concerns, they can make threats that they will act if they see evidence of Ashley intentially damaging the club. They can act, even if it's just a fine, under "best interests of the game" umbrella. Right now they are just standing by and letting it happen, if he goes into full asset stripping mode which NUFC.com are alluding too and they don't act then they are not doing their job as administers of the game. We are not talking about a small little club here, this is a big club with a huge fanbase and a proud tradition, if you think the FA's role is not to ensure they do everything they can to save clubs like that (because make no mistake about it, administration is just around the corner if this continues) then you've got a perverted sense of what a footballing authority should do. We are talking about the FA and FL here. Whether they can step in or apply pressure or not isn't the issue. They won't until the club is in administration and even then it'll be to kick us in the teeth with a points deduction. Other clubs (smaller ones) have been through similar stuff and the powers that be did nothing. They will not make an exception for Newcastle United. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
afar Posted July 22, 2009 Share Posted July 22, 2009 The FA or rather the Football League will be powerless here. The only time they will intervene is to dock points if he puts us in administation. They may be appear to be powerless but they can put the club under pressure, I've not heard a single word from them about the fiasco at all. All the FA know, as all the quotes from the officially involved parties continue to emphasise, is that the club is in the proccess of being sold. While the way it is dragging on is beyond f***ing frustrating and seemingly incompetent, there is just no actual evidence of any 'fiasco', just papertalk and rumour, s*** stirring and paranoia. This I agree with, there is no evidence there right now, that's why all I'm saying is that they need to step up here and make some kind of threat of action should they see any evidence of willfull damage to the club by Ashley. Ferguson can call a referee a cunt. Benitez can criticise the FA of favouring Manure. Fabregas can spit on Brown but no one is "bringing the game into disrepute" more than Ashley has by virtually destroying one of England most famous clubs and apparently is going to further by asset striping. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
J7 Posted July 22, 2009 Share Posted July 22, 2009 To be fair, beyond a few chants and someone flinging a pair of boxers at Llambais, the fans haven't done much since relegation. Man Utd were disrupting race meetings and blocking roads off when Glazier was buying them. It didn't work, but it got peoples attention. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
afar Posted July 22, 2009 Share Posted July 22, 2009 The FA or rather the Football League will be powerless here. The only time they will intervene is to dock points if he puts us in administation. They may be appear to be powerless but they can put the club under pressure, I've not heard a single word from them about the fiasco at all. What pressure can they actually put on though? They can voice their concerns, they can make threats that they will act if they see evidence of Ashley intentially damaging the club. They can act, even if it's just a fine, under "best interests of the game" umbrella. Right now they are just standing by and letting it happen, if he goes into full asset stripping mode which NUFC.com are alluding too and they don't act then they are not doing their job as administers of the game. We are not talking about a small little club here, this is a big club with a huge fanbase and a proud tradition, if you think the FA's role is not to ensure they do everything they can to save clubs like that (because make no mistake about it, administration is just around the corner if this continues) then you've got a perverted sense of what a footballing authority should do. We are talking about the FA and FL here. Whether they can step in or apply pressure or not isn't the issue. They won't until the club is in administration and even then it'll be to kick us in the teeth with a points deduction. Other clubs (smaller ones) have been through similar stuff and the powers that be did nothing. They will not make an exception for Newcastle United. Who said anything about how I expected them to act. They consistently shown us that they really don't have a clue how to act. All 'm saying here is that if they are to fulfill their mandate to protect the game, this is exactly the type of situation they should be getting involved in. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
afar Posted July 22, 2009 Share Posted July 22, 2009 To be fair, beyond a few chants and someone flinging a pair of boxers at Llambais, the fans haven't done much since relegation. Man Utd were disrupting race meetings and blocking roads off when Glazier was buying them. It didn't work, but it got peoples attention. I agree the fansw in action too is not really helping. We've got to do something at the moment we are just bent over Ashley's knee and saying "please sir can I have another ?" as he whips our arses with a cane. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Geordie Posted July 22, 2009 Share Posted July 22, 2009 Of course, afar - but that's in an ideal world. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest fading star Posted July 22, 2009 Share Posted July 22, 2009 In an ideal world Ashley would never have bought the club. It’s a question of self respect. Doing nothing leaves us with none. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frazzle Posted July 22, 2009 Share Posted July 22, 2009 In an ideal world Ashley would never have bought the club. It’s a question of self respect. Doing nothing leaves us with none. Print out some flyers saying 'Ashley Out', I reckon that would help. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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