TRon Posted August 24, 2009 Share Posted August 24, 2009 To be honest, I reckon Moat and Shearer will have several deals in place ready for when this gets pushed through. We won't have to worry that this not being done until 31st August. I wouldn't go that far. It's more likely a couple more players will be sold then some brought in on loan by the looks of it. Barclays have been trying to get the overdraft down even before Ashley put the club up for sale. Didn't they put the blocks on Shearer's blueprint if he stayed on? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cooper Posted August 24, 2009 Share Posted August 24, 2009 Do we even NEED new signings? Other than just for cover? (we are top of the league) i think its much more important we don't sell anymore top quality players like taylor etc. The statement indicates they have agreed a deal so Ashely must not want to stay on. Good news. We were top of the league 2 in the early 80's into the middle of January after which we only won 2 more games until the end of the season. The club cannot afford to be complacent about being promoted. Oh and we are not top of the league, we are only in a play off spot! So the fact that we've already won half of the total games we won last season doesnt suggest we'll be in contention for promotion? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChezGiven Posted August 24, 2009 Share Posted August 24, 2009 I have to keep reminding myself that if Moat doest sort the funds, then Shearer wont return as this is apparently the 'lesson' learnt from Ashhley's 'previous' mistakes. I still think a partnership is the most likely outcome but that Moat would be the one taking the risk on two fronts. Firstly financial, so he needs to be a guarantor for the debt positions and be the majority shareholder. This in itself would take significantly more money than Moat is supposed to have so would require backing and the banks to be satisfied with that. Secondly, the risk of appointing another 'geordie legend' requires someone at the top of the club who the fans can associate with. Of course, it could be sold outright but maybe if Ashley retains some ownership then he stand to gain more in the future. Am of course guessing in all of this. I've read people say this over and over again recently, but I still can't get what Ashley will stand to gain from it from his point of view. Notice that 'his point of view' btw, because I do see the positives and I do see how it can be beneficial to both of them, but the way Ashley thinks and the way he has acted in the past, he will see no positive to selling part of the club; he might as well keep it, get us promoted and sell us for more. Result in his eyes. You would keep it if there was a 100% probability of us going up, i'm trying to factor some 'risk-based analysis' into this. Its just me guessing though, based on nowt. Oh I know, and I think it's very logical; with any other owner they'd probably evaluate going down such a route. Problem is, Ashley doesn't seem to work with logic. True mate. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chrisjraby Posted August 24, 2009 Share Posted August 24, 2009 What a massive anti-climax that was. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Posted August 24, 2009 Share Posted August 24, 2009 Do we even NEED new signings? Other than just for cover? (we are top of the league) i think its much more important we don't sell anymore top quality players like taylor etc. The statement indicates they have agreed a deal so Ashely must not want to stay on. Good news. We were top of the league 2 in the early 80's into the middle of January after which we only won 2 more games until the end of the season. The club cannot afford to be complacent about being promoted. Oh and we are not top of the league, we are only in a play off spot! So the fact that we've already won half of the total games we won last season doesnt suggest we'll be in contention for promotion? Not really, no. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Micktoon Posted August 24, 2009 Share Posted August 24, 2009 It's official Ashley is literally taking the piss. I know I'll get shot down if flames for this but I do actually believe now that he doesn't mind taking a hit financially as long as he can get back at us. What the hell 700 mill or 800 what fucking difference does that make. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heron Posted August 24, 2009 Share Posted August 24, 2009 It's official Ashley is literally taking the piss. I know I'll get shot down if flames for this but I do actually believe now that he doesn't mind taking a hit financially as long as he can get back at us. What the hell 700 mill or 800 what f***ing difference does that make. Don't be so bloody stupid. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Posted August 24, 2009 Share Posted August 24, 2009 It's official Ashley is literally taking the piss. I know I'll get shot down if flames for this but I do actually believe now that he doesn't mind taking a hit financially as long as he can get back at us. What the hell 700 mill or 800 what fucking difference does that make. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shearergol Posted August 24, 2009 Share Posted August 24, 2009 Do we even NEED new signings? Other than just for cover? (we are top of the league) i think its much more important we don't sell anymore top quality players like taylor etc. The statement indicates they have agreed a deal so Ashely must not want to stay on. Good news. We were top of the league 2 in the early 80's into the middle of January after which we only won 2 more games until the end of the season. The club cannot afford to be complacent about being promoted. Oh and we are not top of the league, we are only in a play off spot! So the fact that we've already won half of the total games we won last season doesnt suggest we'll be in contention for promotion? Spurs are gonna win the Premiership tbh. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boo Boy Posted August 24, 2009 Share Posted August 24, 2009 Moat is a an Ashley stooge. The deal will collase on deadline day and we will have to sell two players to balance the books. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Redheugh Posted August 24, 2009 Share Posted August 24, 2009 Having looked at the Accounts of SJHL and the immediate subsidiary (NUL) and its subsidiary (NUFCL) I thought I should say that there is little doubt in my mind that any acquisition you make should be an acquisition of shares and not assets. An asset purchase would almost certainly take more time and would therefore probably cost more as well. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ianovthetoon Posted August 24, 2009 Share Posted August 24, 2009 It's official Ashley is literally taking the piss. I know I'll get shot down if flames for this but I do actually believe now that he doesn't mind taking a hit financially as long as he can get back at us. What the hell 700 mill or 800 what fucking difference does that make. I think what he has done, is put the ball firmly in Barry Moat's court. Quite simply, get the money, you've got the club. We've had countless speculation about what was happening, and this, although not definitive in any way shape or form is a step forward, and a step nearer to getting the twat out of the club Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChezGiven Posted August 24, 2009 Share Posted August 24, 2009 Do we even NEED new signings? Other than just for cover? (we are top of the league) i think its much more important we don't sell anymore top quality players like taylor etc. The statement indicates they have agreed a deal so Ashely must not want to stay on. Good news. We were top of the league 2 in the early 80's into the middle of January after which we only won 2 more games until the end of the season. The club cannot afford to be complacent about being promoted. Oh and we are not top of the league, we are only in a play off spot! So the fact that we've already won half of the total games we won last season doesnt suggest we'll be in contention for promotion? Spurs are gonna win the Premiership tbh. True. Its a shame they arent in the CL, they'd give Barcelona a run for their money this year. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Micktoon Posted August 24, 2009 Share Posted August 24, 2009 It's official Ashley is literally taking the piss. I know I'll get shot down if flames for this but I do actually believe now that he doesn't mind taking a hit financially as long as he can get back at us. What the hell 700 mill or 800 what f***ing difference does that make. Don't be so bloody stupid. Like i said I'll get shot down in flames. However it's my opinion based upon the fact that even the most retarded business man would not make the string of errors and tell, through lambs arse, the string of lies he has without something else going on. If you don't agree with my opnion fair enough, but that's what I think so fuck you Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
thomas Posted August 24, 2009 Share Posted August 24, 2009 If all this ends up with a dream team of Moat & Mort, it will be worth the wait. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
quayside Posted August 24, 2009 Share Posted August 24, 2009 Do we even NEED new signings? Other than just for cover? (we are top of the league) i think its much more important we don't sell anymore top quality players like taylor etc. The statement indicates they have agreed a deal so Ashely must not want to stay on. Good news. We were top of the league 2 in the early 80's into the middle of January after which we only won 2 more games until the end of the season. The club cannot afford to be complacent about being promoted. Oh and we are not top of the league, we are only in a play off spot! So the fact that we've already won half of the total games we won last season doesnt suggest we'll be in contention for promotion? We have nowhere near enough defenders - just consider what happens if we stick with our current squad and say Enrique and Taylor pick up injuries. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest ObaStar Posted August 24, 2009 Share Posted August 24, 2009 It's official Ashley is literally taking the piss. I know I'll get shot down if flames for this but I do actually believe now that he doesn't mind taking a hit financially as long as he can get back at us. What the hell 700 mill or 800 what f***ing difference does that make. I believe 100 million little pieces of paper with the queens face on it is the difference Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shearergol Posted August 24, 2009 Share Posted August 24, 2009 It's official Ashley is literally taking the piss. I know I'll get shot down if flames for this but I do actually believe now that he doesn't mind taking a hit financially as long as he can get back at us. What the hell 700 mill or 800 what f***ing difference does that make. I believe 100 million little pieces of paper with the queens face on it is the difference Pound notes??? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
merlin Posted August 24, 2009 Share Posted August 24, 2009 There is a nagging doubt in my mind after all the twists & turns in this saga, and that is that clubs such as Birmingham and Pompey have been bought quickly whilst nobody with REAL money seems to want to touch NUFC with a barge-pole. Yes, I know all about being relegated, big debt etc etc...BUT - neither of the 2 clubs mentioned should be mentioned in the same breath as Newcastle United when it comes to what can be achieved in terms of support(including International potential)or recent success in terms of CL qualification etc. Birmingham have never been a regular Prem side OR been in Europe as often as NUFC - their crowds don't approach ours, and neither does their stadium ; the same comments could be made about Pompey and yet both these clubs were bought by people with big money - in Brum's case, a Hong Kong businessman who paid 80m for the club.. The only conclusions that can be drawn from this are ;- 1. The Off-balance sheet items are worse than we think 2. The debt is worse than is believed 3. Potential buyers think that the club is too 'provincially clannish' and therefore only manageable by a local acceptable to the fans(NOT totally true, but there is SOME truth in that - witness those who are pleased the club is relegated so that 'glory-hunters' stop supporting it) 4. Potential buyers are being 'warned off', either by people in the media, influential people in the City of London because of their strained relations with Ashley, OR - worse still - by so-called 'influential' people in the game... There are other factors which could be drawn into play, but these seem the most likely - after all, if you had a chance of buying NUFC for, say, 15m more than Brum, logic dictates that anyone wanting to make a success of the club would plump for Newcastle - even though Brum(and Pompey) are currently in the Prem. Has nobody really asked themselves why such a situation exists, and if they have, has anyone been honest enough to try to accept that, for some reason, these innocuous clubs are seen as more attractive than NUFC..? I have tried to look at this question as a neutral buyer would, and even without any hint of bias, Newcastle seems a better buy than either of those clubs - indeed, there are several clubs currently in the prem who are dead-beats when compared to Newcastle's potential and draw - it would be easier to understand IF - IF NO clubs were being bought because of caution over the financial situation, but this is not the case.. Doesn't this all seem a bit strange to you guys....! There is something wrong here... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Posted August 24, 2009 Share Posted August 24, 2009 It's official Ashley is literally taking the piss. I know I'll get shot down if flames for this but I do actually believe now that he doesn't mind taking a hit financially as long as he can get back at us. What the hell 700 mill or 800 what f***ing difference does that make. Don't be so bloody stupid. Like i said I'll get shot down in flames. However it's my opinion based upon the fact that even the most retarded business man would not make the string of errors and tell, through lambs arse, the string of lies he has without something else going on. If you don't agree with my opnion fair enough, but that's what I think so fuck you Steady on. Mate, think about what you're saying. You truly believe someone - however spiteful/thick they are - would be willing to give away £100,000,000 just to get back at some people who don't like him? Absolutely bonkers. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
quayside Posted August 24, 2009 Share Posted August 24, 2009 Having looked at the Accounts of SJHL and the immediate subsidiary (NUL) and its subsidiary (NUFCL) I thought I should say that there is little doubt in my mind that any acquisition you make should be an acquisition of shares and not assets. An asset purchase would almost certainly take more time and would therefore probably cost more as well. Agree - asset purchases are messy as hell. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heron Posted August 24, 2009 Share Posted August 24, 2009 It's official Ashley is literally taking the piss. I know I'll get shot down if flames for this but I do actually believe now that he doesn't mind taking a hit financially as long as he can get back at us. What the hell 700 mill or 800 what f***ing difference does that make. Don't be so bloody stupid. Like i said I'll get shot down in flames. However it's my opinion based upon the fact that even the most retarded business man would not make the string of errors and tell, through lambs arse, the string of lies he has without something else going on. If you don't agree with my opnion fair enough, but that's what I think so f*** you http://www.campforktailcreek.com/images/new/campforktail-angling-002.jpg Hook, line and stinker. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Micktoon Posted August 24, 2009 Share Posted August 24, 2009 It's official Ashley is literally taking the piss. I know I'll get shot down if flames for this but I do actually believe now that he doesn't mind taking a hit financially as long as he can get back at us. What the hell 700 mill or 800 what f***ing difference does that make. Don't be so bloody stupid. Like i said I'll get shot down in flames. However it's my opinion based upon the fact that even the most retarded business man would not make the string of errors and tell, through lambs arse, the string of lies he has without something else going on. If you don't agree with my opnion fair enough, but that's what I think so fuck you Steady on. Mate, think about what you're saying. You truly believe someone - however spiteful/thick they are - would be willing to give away £100,000,000 just to get back at some people who don't like him? Absolutely bonkers. Aye i know but fucking hell man. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cooper Posted August 24, 2009 Share Posted August 24, 2009 Do we even NEED new signings? Other than just for cover? (we are top of the league) i think its much more important we don't sell anymore top quality players like taylor etc. The statement indicates they have agreed a deal so Ashely must not want to stay on. Good news. We were top of the league 2 in the early 80's into the middle of January after which we only won 2 more games until the end of the season. The club cannot afford to be complacent about being promoted. Oh and we are not top of the league, we are only in a play off spot! So the fact that we've already won half of the total games we won last season doesnt suggest we'll be in contention for promotion? Spurs are gonna win the Premiership tbh. True. Its a shame they arent in the CL, they'd give Barcelona a run for their money this year. Right so based on what we've done so far yous think the chances of promotion are small and we are likely to finish below where we are now? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Posted August 24, 2009 Share Posted August 24, 2009 There is a nagging doubt in my mind after all the twists & turns in this saga, and that is that clubs such as Birmingham and Pompey have been bought quickly whilst nobody with REAL money seems to want to touch NUFC with a barge-pole. You what? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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