Teasy Posted October 9, 2009 Share Posted October 9, 2009 The club belongs to Ashley, more gate recipts = more money for the club You're equation is missing one important part, profit. Do you think Ashley would lose more or less money if no-one went? Just because he's not making a profit doesn't mean attendences are irrelevant to his situation. I didn't mention anything about attendances being irrelevant. Obviously bigger attendances minimise the clubs losses. But the fact is the losses are continuing which makes the idea of Ashley hanging onto the club as he fills his pockets completely idiotic. If he's hanging onto the club then he'll be doing so to try to sell it for more if/when we're promoted. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happy Face Posted October 9, 2009 Share Posted October 9, 2009 The club belongs to Ashley, more gate recipts = more money for the club You're equation is missing one important part, profit. Do you think Ashley would lose more or less money if no-one went? Just because he's not making a profit doesn't mean attendences are irrelevant to his situation. I didn't mention anything about attendances being irrelevant. Obviously bigger attendances minimise the clubs losses. But the fact is the losses are continuing which makes the idea of Ashley hanging onto the club as he fills his pockets completely idiotic. If he's hanging onto the club then he'll be doing so to try to sell it for more if/when we're promoted. How do you know he's losing money? If we lost £20m (was it) in the last set of accounts... And we've gotten rid of £25m off the wage bill. And earned £25m in transfer fees (say...half of that up front.) And we got the parachute payment so the TV money isn't vastly reduced. And we've released 3 new strips. Isn't it possible he's not losing money this season? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happy Face Posted October 9, 2009 Share Posted October 9, 2009 The club belongs to Ashley, more gate recipts = more money for the club You're equation is missing one important part, profit. Do you think Ashley would lose more or less money if no-one went? Just because he's not making a profit doesn't mean attendences are irrelevant to his situation. I didn't mention anything about attendances being irrelevant. Obviously bigger attendances minimise the clubs losses. But the fact is the losses are continuing which makes the idea of Ashley hanging onto the club as he fills his pockets completely idiotic. If he's hanging onto the club then he'll be doing so to try to sell it for more if/when we're promoted. So we agree. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frazzle Posted October 9, 2009 Share Posted October 9, 2009 I think it's still fairly certain he's losing money. Tickets are cheaper this year, we'll have lost all (or a lot) of our commercial partners, less overseas interest. Not the mention that fact that we've still got a fair few players (Butt, Colo, Geremi, Smith, Barton = 60k?) on stupid wages by PL standards. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlueStar Posted October 9, 2009 Share Posted October 9, 2009 http://www.skysports.com/story/0,19528,11661_5618183,00.html The head of Saudi Arabia's Football League claims up to 12 English clubs could be bought by Middle East investors Portsmouth are the latest side to be taken over by a Saudi investor in the shape of Ali Al-Faraj, while Liverpool could be the subject of major investment from Prince Faisal bin Fahd bin Abdullah al-Saud. Chairman of the Saudi Professional League Commission, Hafez Al-Medlej, believes if the Portsmouth takeover proves successful a host of investors from the cash-rich kingdom will be keen to get involved in English football "In one year's time, if there was no backfire and everyone is settled, I am sure at least 10 more investors will come," said Al-Medlej speaking at the Leaders in Football conference at Stamford Bridge. "Not necessarily to the Premier League. They might come and buy some clubs at the Championship level. "Last year I spoke to some people interested in Championship clubs and made inquiries. Their specific needs are they wanted a club that has high average crowd, facilities are good and a club in London. "Not always a team top of the league. To buy a club from the First Division and bring it up is an even better investment." Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Teasy Posted October 9, 2009 Share Posted October 9, 2009 The club belongs to Ashley, more gate recipts = more money for the club You're equation is missing one important part, profit. Do you think Ashley would lose more or less money if no-one went? Just because he's not making a profit doesn't mean attendences are irrelevant to his situation. I didn't mention anything about attendances being irrelevant. Obviously bigger attendances minimise the clubs losses. But the fact is the losses are continuing which makes the idea of Ashley hanging onto the club as he fills his pockets completely idiotic. If he's hanging onto the club then he'll be doing so to try to sell it for more if/when we're promoted. How do you know he's losing money? If we lost £20m (was it) in the last set of accounts... And we've gotten rid of £25m off the wage bill. And earned £25m in transfer fees (say...half of that up front.) And we got the parachute payment so the TV money isn't vastly reduced. And we've released 3 new strips. Isn't it possible he's not losing money this season? We lost £30m in the last published accounts. £41m in TV money has turned into £14m in parachute payments. We're currently 15% down on attendances (£5m). That's at least £32m down without even taking into account the fact that we're going to be down in merchandising as well. £25m less on wages and £25m paid in installments over the course of the next few years really doesn't cover all that. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mowen Posted October 9, 2009 Share Posted October 9, 2009 What do we get for telly payments this year? I know the whack is much lower but we're on every fucking week. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdckelly Posted October 9, 2009 Share Posted October 9, 2009 What do we get for telly payments this year? I know the whack is much lower but we're on every f***ing week. we'll be high by championship standards but still patheticly low compared to prem Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Teasy Posted October 9, 2009 Share Posted October 9, 2009 What do we get for telly payments this year? I know the whack is much lower but we're on every fucking week. I'm not sure how that works, its something I've asked before but nobody seems to know. I do know its £264m over three years, of which an unknown amount is spread across the 24 teams but I've got no idea how its distributed. For comparison the Premiership is £1.8b over 3 years, and obviously 4 less teams. Though I believe the £42m parachute payments per season comes out of Premiership money. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happy Face Posted October 9, 2009 Share Posted October 9, 2009 That's at least £32m down without even taking into account the fact that we're going to be down in merchandising as well. £25m less on wages and £25m paid in installments over the course of the next few years really doesn't cover all that. So £32m down and £50m up. Not sure about the merchandising claim either, given that we've got 3 new strips out this season. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdckelly Posted October 9, 2009 Share Posted October 9, 2009 What do we get for telly payments this year? I know the whack is much lower but we're on every f***ing week. I'm not sure how that works, its something I've asked before but nobody seems to know. I do know its £264m, of which an unknown amount is spread across the 24 teams but I've got no idea how its distributed. For comparison the Premiership is £1.8b distributed to 20 teams. this is how it works "Revenue from the agreements will be split according to the Football League's television income distribution mechanism, meaning 80% to the Championship, 12% to the League One and 8% to League Two. So clubs in every division will receive more than they currently do once the new deal kicks in. For clubs in League One, the incentive to gain promotion to the Championship becomes even greater." Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Teasy Posted October 9, 2009 Share Posted October 9, 2009 That's at least £32m down without even taking into account the fact that we're going to be down in merchandising as well. £25m less on wages and £25m paid in installments over the course of the next few years really doesn't cover all that. So £32m down and £50m up. Not sure about the merchandising claim either, given that we've got 3 new strips out this season. No mate, £32m down that we can count (merchandising WILL be down, you don't sell less tickets yet more merchandise..) and £25m plus a fraction of transfer fee's minus loyalty bonuses up All in comparison to a season when we lost £30m. So as you can see there's no way in hell the club isn't losing money this season. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Howaythelads Posted October 9, 2009 Share Posted October 9, 2009 The club belongs to Ashley, more gate recipts = more money for the club You're equation is missing one important part, profit. Do you think Ashley would lose more or less money if no-one went? Just because he's not making a profit doesn't mean attendences are irrelevant to his situation. I didn't mention anything about attendances being irrelevant. Obviously bigger attendances minimise the clubs losses. But the fact is the losses are continuing which makes the idea of Ashley hanging onto the club as he fills his pockets completely idiotic. If he's hanging onto the club then he'll be doing so to try to sell it for more if/when we're promoted. How do you know he's losing money? If we lost £20m (was it) in the last set of accounts... And we've gotten rid of £25m off the wage bill. And earned £25m in transfer fees (say...half of that up front.) And we got the parachute payment so the TV money isn't vastly reduced. And we've released 3 new strips. Isn't it possible he's not losing money this season? We lost £30m in the last published accounts. £41m in TV money has turned into £14m in parachute payments. We're currently 15% down on attendances (£5m). That's at least £32m down without even taking into account the fact that we're going to be down in merchandising as well. £25m less on wages and £25m paid in installments over the course of the next few years really doesn't cover all that. What a pity Ashley is so dumb he didn't realise a relatively small investment in the team would have kept us in the PL. Or is he dumb...? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Teasy Posted October 9, 2009 Share Posted October 9, 2009 The club belongs to Ashley, more gate recipts = more money for the club You're equation is missing one important part, profit. Do you think Ashley would lose more or less money if no-one went? Just because he's not making a profit doesn't mean attendences are irrelevant to his situation. I didn't mention anything about attendances being irrelevant. Obviously bigger attendances minimise the clubs losses. But the fact is the losses are continuing which makes the idea of Ashley hanging onto the club as he fills his pockets completely idiotic. If he's hanging onto the club then he'll be doing so to try to sell it for more if/when we're promoted. How do you know he's losing money? If we lost £20m (was it) in the last set of accounts... And we've gotten rid of £25m off the wage bill. And earned £25m in transfer fees (say...half of that up front.) And we got the parachute payment so the TV money isn't vastly reduced. And we've released 3 new strips. Isn't it possible he's not losing money this season? We lost £30m in the last published accounts. £41m in TV money has turned into £14m in parachute payments. We're currently 15% down on attendances (£5m). That's at least £32m down without even taking into account the fact that we're going to be down in merchandising as well. £25m less on wages and £25m paid in installments over the course of the next few years really doesn't cover all that. What a pity Ashley is so dumb he didn't realise a relatively small investment in the team would have kept us in the PL. Or is he dumb...? He's so thick he didn't even realise that an even lower level of investment in a half decent manager without almost fatal health problems would have kept us up Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Teasy Posted October 9, 2009 Share Posted October 9, 2009 What do we get for telly payments this year? I know the whack is much lower but we're on every f***ing week. I'm not sure how that works, its something I've asked before but nobody seems to know. I do know its £264m, of which an unknown amount is spread across the 24 teams but I've got no idea how its distributed. For comparison the Premiership is £1.8b distributed to 20 teams. this is how it works "Revenue from the agreements will be split according to the Football League's television income distribution mechanism, meaning 80% to the Championship, 12% to the League One and 8% to League Two. So clubs in every division will receive more than they currently do once the new deal kicks in. For clubs in League One, the incentive to gain promotion to the Championship becomes even greater." Ah right, so that clears up how much money actually goes to Championship sides (£211.2m over three seasons). But I wonder how that's distributed within the league? I mean obviously it has to be based, to some degree, on the number of times each team is on TV. But is there a basic rate plus bonus for being on TV plus extra for final league placing or what? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdckelly Posted October 9, 2009 Share Posted October 9, 2009 What do we get for telly payments this year? I know the whack is much lower but we're on every f***ing week. I'm not sure how that works, its something I've asked before but nobody seems to know. I do know its £264m, of which an unknown amount is spread across the 24 teams but I've got no idea how its distributed. For comparison the Premiership is £1.8b distributed to 20 teams. this is how it works "Revenue from the agreements will be split according to the Football League's television income distribution mechanism, meaning 80% to the Championship, 12% to the League One and 8% to League Two. So clubs in every division will receive more than they currently do once the new deal kicks in. For clubs in League One, the incentive to gain promotion to the Championship becomes even greater." Ah right, so that clears up how much money actually goes to Championship sides (£211.2m over three seasons). But I wonder how that's distributed within the league? I mean obviously it has to be based, to some degree, on the number of times each team is on TV. But is there a basic rate plus bonus for being on TV plus extra for final league placing or what? I dont think theres extra for final place but i think there is a bonus for each televised match so we'll have the highest tv income in the football league Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Phil K Posted October 9, 2009 Share Posted October 9, 2009 Bad news I'm afraid, one of the Red tops has Ashley quoted as saying he will not sell the club until his demands of this thread hit 1000 pages are met. So, middle of next week, then? Middle of next decade ? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest dazzanufc1892 Posted October 9, 2009 Share Posted October 9, 2009 if this thread hits 1000, i may have to replace the luque thread with this as my favourite ever thread Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nepharite Posted October 9, 2009 Share Posted October 9, 2009 Henry Winter just tweeted that Indian businessmen are rumored to be interested in buying Newcastle. Hope it's the Ambani brothers. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Posted October 9, 2009 Share Posted October 9, 2009 Rumours of Indian businessmen interested in taking over Newcastle. Go for it. At £100m Toon good value. Anyway, does Barry Moat have cash? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nepharite Posted October 9, 2009 Share Posted October 9, 2009 Are you on Twitter Dave? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdckelly Posted October 9, 2009 Share Posted October 9, 2009 Rumours of Indian businessmen interested in taking over Newcastle. Go for it. At £100m Toon good value. Anyway, does Barry Moat have cash? in fairness he's right, sure we're in the championship but 4th biggest stadium in England loyal fanbase still turning out in huge numbers despite all the shit good training grounds already there, all the ingredients are present for a strong force in the league given some time and the right person in charge at boardroom and in the dugout. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest schmuck Posted October 9, 2009 Share Posted October 9, 2009 Nicky Butt's image rights alone have to be worth £80 million Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Posted October 9, 2009 Share Posted October 9, 2009 Are you on Twitter Dave? Am I bollocks. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest antz1uk Posted October 9, 2009 Share Posted October 9, 2009 Henry Winter just tweeted that Indian businessmen are rumored to be interested in buying Newcastle. Hope it's the Ambani brothers. last time I was reading about these 2 (the 1st time he put it up for sale or just after he had bought it and there were rumours) it was reported that the 2 brothers don't get along also another of his earlier quotes further down his tweet.... "You wouldn't rush to Dnepr for your hols. Old Soviet rocket factory city, closed to outsiders until 93. Skyline akin to Middlesbrough's" Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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