Parky Posted June 24, 2012 Share Posted June 24, 2012 I don't think the number of foreign players makes a heap of difference btw. The only thing it does is cover these players weaknesses every week and allow them to build up their reputations. If the players were being developed right they'd make it regardless of how many foreign players there are. There's so many foreigners in the league at the minute because the youngsters that are coming through aren't good enough, not the other way round. Untill there is a limit of 3 foreign players in a side (the EU has fucked that up anyway) this mire will continue. You really think that will benefit the league? It's not about the league is it? It's about Eng players getting more games and taking more responsability. However it's dressed up there aren't enough Eng players coming through to make a difference (never mind quality one's). Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
JH Posted June 24, 2012 Share Posted June 24, 2012 Limiting each team to three foreign players will simply make English players more expensive, more overrated and reduce the standard of the league. If anything, it'd just make things worse for the England team. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest neesy111 Posted June 24, 2012 Share Posted June 24, 2012 I don't think the number of foreign players makes a heap of difference btw. The only thing it does is cover these players weaknesses every week and allow them to build up their reputations. If the players were being developed right they'd make it regardless of how many foreign players there are. There's so many foreigners in the league at the minute because the youngsters that are coming through aren't good enough, not the other way round. Untill there is a limit of 3 foreign players in a side (the EU has fucked that up anyway) this mire will continue. You really think that will benefit the league? The league and England are completely different! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewJerseyMag Posted June 24, 2012 Share Posted June 24, 2012 Yawn, all too familiar. I'm so over the national team, cant wait for our first game. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fugazi Posted June 24, 2012 Share Posted June 24, 2012 I don't think the number of foreign players makes a heap of difference btw. The only thing it does is cover these players weaknesses every week and allow them to build up their reputations. If the players were being developed right they'd make it regardless of how many foreign players there are. There's so many foreigners in the league at the minute because the youngsters that are coming through aren't good enough, not the other way round. Untill there is a limit of 3 foreign players in a side (the EU has fucked that up anyway) this mire will continue. You really think that will benefit the league? It's not about the league is it? It's about Eng players getting more games and taking more responsability. However it's dressed up there aren't enough Eng players coming through to make a difference (never mind quality one's). It will massively affect the league though. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ElDiablo Posted June 24, 2012 Share Posted June 24, 2012 Eng movement off the ball is essentially pub side stuff. No alternatives given to the man on the ball but a half hearted hoof forward mostly. The two in the middle, Gerrard and Parker, were especially bad at this, they played within about the same 20 yards of the pitch for 90% of the game. Also yeah it's true Sewelly, but it's like pissing in the wind as it's been clear for the last 15 years an overhaul was needed, see no reason why a change will come now if it hasn't already come about. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ponsaelius Posted June 24, 2012 Share Posted June 24, 2012 I don't think the number of foreign players makes a heap of difference btw. The only thing it does is cover these players weaknesses every week and allow them to build up their reputations. If the players were being developed right they'd make it regardless of how many foreign players there are. There's so many foreigners in the league at the minute because the youngsters that are coming through aren't good enough, not the other way round. Untill there is a limit of 3 foreign players in a side (the EU has fucked that up anyway) this mire will continue. You really think that will benefit the league? It's not about the league is it? It's about Eng players getting more games and taking more responsability. However it's dressed up there aren't enough Eng players coming through to make a difference (never mind quality one's). The players making it into the teams and playing every week isn't going to help. They are still fundamentally not very good. Only changing the way they are coached and developed from the very start will help. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest neesy111 Posted June 24, 2012 Share Posted June 24, 2012 I don't think the number of foreign players makes a heap of difference btw. The only thing it does is cover these players weaknesses every week and allow them to build up their reputations. If the players were being developed right they'd make it regardless of how many foreign players there are. There's so many foreigners in the league at the minute because the youngsters that are coming through aren't good enough, not the other way round. Untill there is a limit of 3 foreign players in a side (the EU has f***ed that up anyway) this mire will continue. You really think that will benefit the league? got to look at how germany changed after 2000 (it was 2000 wasn't it ?) Aye it was. I remember when they changed their whole youth setup as they couldn't see any players coming through. Reeping the rewards now. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Parky Posted June 24, 2012 Share Posted June 24, 2012 I don't think the number of foreign players makes a heap of difference btw. The only thing it does is cover these players weaknesses every week and allow them to build up their reputations. If the players were being developed right they'd make it regardless of how many foreign players there are. There's so many foreigners in the league at the minute because the youngsters that are coming through aren't good enough, not the other way round. Untill there is a limit of 3 foreign players in a side (the EU has fucked that up anyway) this mire will continue. Parky, is your thinking if that there is limitations then the clubs and FA will be forced to restructure at youth level? Because limiting the number of foreign players in the short term will just mean loads of rubbish players playing instead of ending up in the lower leagues like they would do. The recent imporovement of the German side had a lot to do with them being less reliant in the Bundesliga on important foreign players (there is research on it somewhere)... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Parky Posted June 24, 2012 Share Posted June 24, 2012 I don't think the number of foreign players makes a heap of difference btw. The only thing it does is cover these players weaknesses every week and allow them to build up their reputations. If the players were being developed right they'd make it regardless of how many foreign players there are. There's so many foreigners in the league at the minute because the youngsters that are coming through aren't good enough, not the other way round. Untill there is a limit of 3 foreign players in a side (the EU has f***ed that up anyway) this mire will continue. You really think that will benefit the league? got to look at how germany changed after 2000 (it was 2000 wasn't it ?) Aye it was. I remember when they changed their whole youth setup as they couldn't see any players coming through. Reeping the rewards now. Correct. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Parky Posted June 24, 2012 Share Posted June 24, 2012 The PL is a spectacle that is to the detriment of the Eng setup. The game is too high paced and phsical that just doesn't translate into international football or help develop home grown players with the right skillset (top foreign players taking most of the key roles in club sides). Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Carlito Posted June 24, 2012 Share Posted June 24, 2012 I don't think the number of foreign players makes a heap of difference btw. The only thing it does is cover these players weaknesses every week and allow them to build up their reputations. If the players were being developed right they'd make it regardless of how many foreign players there are. There's so many foreigners in the league at the minute because the youngsters that are coming through aren't good enough, not the other way round. Untill there is a limit of 3 foreign players in a side (the EU has f***ed that up anyway) this mire will continue. You really think that will benefit the league? It's not about the league is it? It's about Eng players getting more games and taking more responsability. However it's dressed up there aren't enough Eng players coming through to make a difference (never mind quality one's). The players making it into the teams and playing every week isn't going to help. They are still fundamentally not very good. Only changing the way they are coached and developed from the very start will help. Yes the coaching and development needs to be changed, but they'd still need to be picked into the team when the time comes. Having 5 or so English players playing week after week would be better than them sitting on the bench week after week. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jayson Posted June 24, 2012 Share Posted June 24, 2012 The thing is for all our talk of technique etc we were outplaying them for a good 15 minute period with ease The fuck happened Whatever caused us to sit back for the rest of the game is the issue. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hanshithispantz Posted June 24, 2012 Share Posted June 24, 2012 In all honesty, would we really want to sacrifice our league for the England national team? Fuck that. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
madras Posted June 24, 2012 Share Posted June 24, 2012 The thing is for all our talk of technique etc we were outplaying them for a good 15 minute period with ease The f*** happened Whatever caused us to sit back for the rest of the game is the issue. not the game i watched. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ponsaelius Posted June 24, 2012 Share Posted June 24, 2012 For me - if they're good enough they'll play. Look at Wilshere. What a fucking pisser btw that the one player we produce that seems made for international football ends up like he is at the moment. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Parky Posted June 24, 2012 Share Posted June 24, 2012 I don't think the number of foreign players makes a heap of difference btw. The only thing it does is cover these players weaknesses every week and allow them to build up their reputations. If the players were being developed right they'd make it regardless of how many foreign players there are. There's so many foreigners in the league at the minute because the youngsters that are coming through aren't good enough, not the other way round. Untill there is a limit of 3 foreign players in a side (the EU has f***ed that up anyway) this mire will continue. You really think that will benefit the league? It's not about the league is it? It's about Eng players getting more games and taking more responsability. However it's dressed up there aren't enough Eng players coming through to make a difference (never mind quality one's). The players making it into the teams and playing every week isn't going to help. They are still fundamentally not very good. Only changing the way they are coached and developed from the very start will help. Yes the coaching and development needs to be changed, but they'd still need to be picked into the team when the time comes. Having 5 or so English players playing week after week would be better than them sitting on the bench week after week. Actually only the reluctance of Wenger to spend has meant Ox, Walcott and Wilshire getting games...If Gervinho has been all he was cracked up to be where would even Walcott and Ox be getting games?? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tooj Posted June 24, 2012 Share Posted June 24, 2012 In all honesty, would we really want to sacrifice our league for the England national team? Fuck that. The Bundesliga hasn't seemed to have suffered for it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tooj Posted June 24, 2012 Share Posted June 24, 2012 I don't think the number of foreign players makes a heap of difference btw. The only thing it does is cover these players weaknesses every week and allow them to build up their reputations. If the players were being developed right they'd make it regardless of how many foreign players there are. There's so many foreigners in the league at the minute because the youngsters that are coming through aren't good enough, not the other way round. Untill there is a limit of 3 foreign players in a side (the EU has f***ed that up anyway) this mire will continue. You really think that will benefit the league? It's not about the league is it? It's about Eng players getting more games and taking more responsability. However it's dressed up there aren't enough Eng players coming through to make a difference (never mind quality one's). The players making it into the teams and playing every week isn't going to help. They are still fundamentally not very good. Only changing the way they are coached and developed from the very start will help. Yes the coaching and development needs to be changed, but they'd still need to be picked into the team when the time comes. Having 5 or so English players playing week after week would be better than them sitting on the bench week after week. Actually only the reluctance of Wenger to spend has meant Ox, Walcott and Wilshire getting games...If Gervinho has been all he was cracked up to be where would even Walcott and Ox be getting games?? Wilshere gets games because he's a class act. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hanshithispantz Posted June 24, 2012 Share Posted June 24, 2012 The thing is for all our talk of technique etc we were outplaying them for a good 15 minute period with ease The fuck happened Whatever caused us to sit back for the rest of the game is the issue. I think the mad cunt beating the offside trap with ease would have had something to do with it. There was a few periods where we looked dangerous going forwards but Italy would just cut us apart with a ball over the top. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cajun Posted June 24, 2012 Share Posted June 24, 2012 In all honesty, would we really want to sacrifice our league for the England national team? Fuck that. Exactly, imagine taking away our Krul, Santon, Colo, Cabaye, Jonas, Tiote, Cisse, Ba, Ben Arfa etc.. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
WarrenBartonCentrePartin Posted June 24, 2012 Share Posted June 24, 2012 we had our chances between 15 and 30 minutes and didn't take them. Said at the time it would come back to haunt us. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sifu Posted June 24, 2012 Share Posted June 24, 2012 The thing is for all our talk of technique etc we were outplaying them for a good 15 minute period with ease The f*** happened Whatever caused us to sit back for the rest of the game is the issue. We let Pirlo do his thing. Basically, we had no-one on him at all in the second half and as a result, he was able to do what he's good at - influencing play. When we were off the ball in the first half, we certainly had a fair few players tracking Pirlo but as the game went on, the players forgot those instructions... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ElDiablo Posted June 24, 2012 Share Posted June 24, 2012 The one thing all sucessful sides do that we don't it pressure high up the pitch. Every time we did it (albeit not often) we invariably won the ball back in their half. Fucking ridiculous to then sit back and invite what is a good but not great Italy onto us. They were there for the beating tonight imo, but the tactics were wrong and you've got to look at Hodgson's 442 and over conservativeness. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
afar Posted June 24, 2012 Share Posted June 24, 2012 Just finished watching it. Had to take my daughter to a birthday party. Got to say I was hugely disappointed in the performance, it was terrible and the two Ashleys summed up the way they've played in the tournament with their penalty kicks. Got what we deserved in the end, nothing, and Italy aren't world beaters by any stretch of the imagination. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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