themanupstairs Posted June 19, 2014 Share Posted June 19, 2014 Built the whole team around Rooney to accommodate him and him alone. All other players needs were ignored and Rooney missed two easy goals and scored a tap in. Rooney is a good player. But nowhere good enough to base everything on him unlike Suarez who proved a remarkable gulf. England need to do what is right for the team, not for a single player who isn't World Class. Sterling should be in center, was miles better and Oxade on the left and Barkley on the right would be better. Can't afford to build a team around a slightly better than average player and I know I'll be slagged off but it's true. A team shouldn't be built around one player unless it's a world class player. Rooney is not world class. No. Because he got two chances Suarez would have easily scored no questions asked and didn't. That was tonight. Suarez had two harder chances and scored both. Ok genuine question. If Rooney got the same exact two chances that Suarez got, do you think he would have scored them or not? can't really work out your reply because of the fantastic quoting. So you're saying Rooney isn't good enough to finish two chances like Suarez had on a plate like tonight? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ronaldo Posted June 19, 2014 Share Posted June 19, 2014 slightly better than average player Name a single thing he does that is world class. Oh so does it go from average, to slightly better than average, to world class? I'm not trutoon94 but the way Ronaldo keeps banging on about building the team around Rooney does my head in, he simply isn't "the best" at anything he does, even within the England setup. I don't think I've said that in years. He's just the best all round player we have, and the best striker. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest TruToon94 Posted June 19, 2014 Share Posted June 19, 2014 Built the whole team around Rooney to accommodate him and him alone. All other players needs were ignored and Rooney missed two easy goals and scored a tap in. Rooney is a good player. But nowhere good enough to base everything on him unlike Suarez who proved a remarkable gulf. England need to do what is right for the team, not for a single player who isn't World Class. Sterling should be in center, was miles better and Oxade on the left and Barkley on the right would be better. Can't afford to build a team around a slightly better than average player and I know I'll be slagged off but it's true. A team shouldn't be built around one player unless it's a world class player. Rooney is not world class. No. Because he got two chances Suarez would have easily scored no questions asked and didn't. That was tonight. Suarez had two harder chances and scored both. Ok genuine question. If Rooney got the same exact two chances that Suarez got, do you think he would have scored them or not? can't really work out your reply because of the fantastic quoting. So you're saying Rooney isn't good enough to finish two chances like Suarez had on a plate like tonight? Yeah, bit of an accident that... But seriously that shot from the six yard box, yes Suarez would have finished that easy? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
themanupstairs Posted June 19, 2014 Share Posted June 19, 2014 slightly better than average player Name a single thing he does that is world class. Oh so does it go from average, to slightly better than average, to world class? I'm not trutoon94 but the way Ronaldo keeps banging on about building the team around Rooney does my head in, he simply isn't "the best" at anything he does, even within the England setup. I don't think he's world class, but I think he's the best passer and finisher out of the lot that started tonight. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
yiman Posted June 19, 2014 Share Posted June 19, 2014 Real problem for me was poor lack of intensity in the work areas, 2nd best in midfield to the ball. Like to see the stats on individual inputs. But real desire to make the extra yard was infrequent at best Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest TruToon94 Posted June 19, 2014 Share Posted June 19, 2014 slightly better than average player Name a single thing he does that is world class. Oh so does it go from average, to slightly better than average, to world class? I'm not trutoon94 but the way Ronaldo keeps banging on about building the team around Rooney does my head in, he simply isn't "the best" at anything he does, even within the England setup. I don't think he's world class, but I think he's the best passer and finisher out of the lot that started tonight. How have we figured that out? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tachikoma Posted June 19, 2014 Share Posted June 19, 2014 slightly better than average player Name a single thing he does that is world class. Oh so does it go from average, to slightly better than average, to world class? I'm not trutoon94 but the way Ronaldo keeps banging on about building the team around Rooney does my head in, he simply isn't "the best" at anything he does, even within the England setup. I don't think I've said that in years. He's just the best all round player we have, and the best striker. That's Sturridge these days, Rooney hasn't played as an out-and-out striker since he was what, 20? He is the second best striker you've got though, and I'd definitely play him upfront with Sturridge. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ronaldo Posted June 19, 2014 Share Posted June 19, 2014 So, you don't disagree that he definitely should start then. Because that's essentially all I've been saying. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peppe Posted June 19, 2014 Share Posted June 19, 2014 Too many Liverpool players. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Posted June 19, 2014 Share Posted June 19, 2014 http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/p02191f7 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Disco Posted June 19, 2014 Share Posted June 19, 2014 http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/p02191f7 You'll never work for Sky Chris. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rich Posted June 19, 2014 Share Posted June 19, 2014 Really like the passion. Didn't like the lack of "pelanty" or "high line". Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alberto2005 Posted June 19, 2014 Share Posted June 19, 2014 http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/p02191f7 Agree with some of that, mainly the fact that the best players in the PL are foreign. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
biggs Posted June 19, 2014 Share Posted June 19, 2014 Real problem for me was poor lack of intensity in the work areas, 2nd best in midfield to the ball. Like to see the stats on individual inputs. But real desire to make the extra yard was infrequent at best gerrard slow as a donkey and henderson did fuck all ,defence wank through the centre ,Rooney best of a bad bunch Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Disco Posted June 19, 2014 Share Posted June 19, 2014 Really like the passion. Didn't like the lack of "pelanty" or "high line". Heard South Africans with better vowel placement. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lotus Posted June 19, 2014 Share Posted June 19, 2014 The future has to be Sterling and Sturridge either side of Rooney. A midfield of Barkley, Lallana and Wilshere or Henderson behind them. No more Stevie knackersyard G. The defensive is a big issue. Johnson and especially Baines and Jagielka aren't nearly good at this level and I don't see obvious replacements There has been really quite a few excellent Prem division forwards who never really did it at the Int'l tournaments. Rooney is in that catergory. Certainly NOT one of the 1st names on the England team sheet imo. Defence i agree with on the whole. Could see Jagielka's place under threat from a couple of CBs tbh. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest neesy111 Posted June 19, 2014 Share Posted June 19, 2014 Only man for it is Pardew. The king will have his job. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unbelievable Posted June 19, 2014 Share Posted June 19, 2014 To me as an outsider your problem seems to be mostly about mentality as opposed to a lack of quality, bad management, the press or whatever reasons are commonly mentioned. Your players are easily good enough, but for some reason the real hunger to go deep in or even win a World or European Championship never seems to be there, and neither does the team spirit. I think the fact that your players win so many trophies for their clubs, are hyped at an early age, and compete with each other fiercely most of the time playing for different clubs makes it harder to mould them into a motivated, balanced squad, with a clear hierarchy amongst the players. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest neesy111 Posted June 19, 2014 Share Posted June 19, 2014 The issue really is, Suarez was the difference. When was the last time we produced the player like Suarez, probably Gazza then theres the problem. Rooney should of been a world class player on the world class stage but he isn't and the rest are either decent/good/very good but not world class. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rich Posted June 19, 2014 Share Posted June 19, 2014 It was the fear of the ball for me tonight above all else. You could see Gerrard and Henderson had clearly been asked to sit and shield balls into Suarez' feet, of which there were few, but when we needed an outlet they were rarely seen. Night and day between our approach and Italy's, for instance, and criminal at this level in the centre of your midfield. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unbelievable Posted June 19, 2014 Share Posted June 19, 2014 It's not about tonight or this tournament, it's about decades of failure.. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest neesy111 Posted June 19, 2014 Share Posted June 19, 2014 Btw, it's light and day how we are at the back with out JT since 2012. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ponsaelius Posted June 19, 2014 Share Posted June 19, 2014 Probably just time to accept we're shite and will continue to be. 2 semi finals in major tournaments since 1966, barely even a second rate nation tbh. People were convinced Italy and Uruguay were not that good. Italy got to a major final 2 years ago and Uruguay won one 3 years ago. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest neesy111 Posted June 19, 2014 Share Posted June 19, 2014 It's not about tonight or this tournament, it's about decades of failure.. How are smaller countries producing better teams or better players than us. Some isn't right. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jayson Posted June 19, 2014 Share Posted June 19, 2014 Certainly our mentality is an issue, you could see the confidence change from us scoring vs flapping at clearances first half. Still, we played 70 mins of the game with Uruguay having 2 banks of players between Gerrard/Henderson & our forwards. They covered Sterling & it was basically left to Baines. Hodgson shouldve adapted it far earlier, they had our number easily. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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