Ronaldo Posted June 22, 2014 Share Posted June 22, 2014 Clear based on what? Hoddle and Venables did better jobs with inferior squads than Sven and Capello. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Incognito Posted June 22, 2014 Share Posted June 22, 2014 Clear based on what? Hoddle and Venables did better jobs with inferior squads than Sven and Capello. I'd be happy with Hoddle too. Best England manager since Sir Alf imo. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deuce Posted June 22, 2014 Share Posted June 22, 2014 Clear based on what? Hoddle and Venables did better jobs with inferior squads than Sven and Capello. That was over 15 years ago, though. Hoddle hasn't managed anywhere since 2006, Venables since 2003. The current crop of English managers is pretty dire. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
colinmk Posted June 22, 2014 Share Posted June 22, 2014 The main problem with England is the players and press mentality imo. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Incognito Posted June 22, 2014 Share Posted June 22, 2014 Clear based on what? Hoddle and Venables did better jobs with inferior squads than Sven and Capello. That was over 15 years ago, though. Hoddle hasn't managed anywhere since 2006, Venables since 2003. The current crop of English managers is pretty dire. Hence why we'll either go back to one that was good in his tenure or go abroad. Whenever they dispense with Bungle. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest bimpy474 Posted June 22, 2014 Share Posted June 22, 2014 Hoddle is the only one i would go back to, he's just looks an international manager to me. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
r0cafella Posted June 22, 2014 Share Posted June 22, 2014 I still can't believe we are keeping Hodgson. This world cup has been nothing but a monumental further. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kimbo Posted June 22, 2014 Share Posted June 22, 2014 Hoddle wants Gerrard and Lampard in midfield. He was literally begging Gerrard on ITV not to retire, his argument was "look at Pirlo, how old is he". Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Disco Posted June 22, 2014 Share Posted June 22, 2014 Hodgson > nearly everyone else for a development role though. Don't think he's done that badly, just think we're not good enough. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toondave Posted June 22, 2014 Share Posted June 22, 2014 The idea that a foreigner shouldn't manage a country's national team is almost as much of an anachronism as international football itself. What does this even mean? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dokko Posted June 22, 2014 Share Posted June 22, 2014 Probably a stale Greggs but: Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deuce Posted June 22, 2014 Share Posted June 22, 2014 The idea that a foreigner shouldn't manage a country's national team is almost as much of an anachronism as international football itself. What does this even mean? The idea that foreigners shouldn't manage a country's national team is dated, and international football itself, as much as I love it, is probably a bit dated as well. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deuce Posted June 22, 2014 Share Posted June 22, 2014 I thought this was a good read, and relevant to the current discussion: http://www.espnfc.us/blog/tactics-and-analysis/67/post/1901941/michael-cox-the-nuances-of-managing-clubs-vs-national-teams Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toondave Posted June 22, 2014 Share Posted June 22, 2014 The idea that a foreigner shouldn't manage a country's national team is almost as much of an anachronism as international football itself. What does this even mean? The idea that foreigners shouldn't manage a country's national team is dated, and international football itself, as much as I love it, is probably a bit dated as well. I know what an anachronism is, and I agree somewhat with the first part I'm just wondering how and why you think international football is dated? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest TruToon94 Posted June 22, 2014 Share Posted June 22, 2014 Wish Stevie G would should up. "Need a holiday!", Well he's got an early one considering we pretty much went out due to his errors. Good riddance to bad rubbish soon hopefully. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SEMTEX Posted June 22, 2014 Share Posted June 22, 2014 Americans don't understand international sports, ignore him Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deuce Posted June 22, 2014 Share Posted June 22, 2014 The idea that a foreigner shouldn't manage a country's national team is almost as much of an anachronism as international football itself. What does this even mean? The idea that foreigners shouldn't manage a country's national team is dated, and international football itself, as much as I love it, is probably a bit dated as well. I know what an anachronism is, and I agree somewhat with the first part I'm just wondering how and why you think international football is dated? International football had its heyday when footballers, for the most part, played their club football in their own countries. If you were an English footballer, you only got to play against Brazilians once every 4 years, for example. Maybe it's not accurate for me to say international football is totally an anachronism, because it's arguably more popular in many countries than club football is, especially outside Europe. The World Cup is still the greatest sporting competition in the world, bar none. And I still love international football. The U.S. is my favorite team, which has a lot to do with the fact that I never had a local club team to identify with. So the only sense of identity I had as a football fan was with my national team. I'm a fan of Newcastle, but that's something that's really only become possible (i.e. a foreigner with no connection to the city or club becoming a fan) within the past 20 years or so. And I'll never have the connection to the club that people who've grown-up in Newcastle have with it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kimbo Posted June 22, 2014 Share Posted June 22, 2014 I used to think international football was dated, but the more financial inequality increases in club football, with teams that can spend £100m in a window "competing" with clubs that can spend nothing, and with clubs actually being owned by states, the more I see international football as the true competition. It's a test of long term planning and team spirit. It's just a shame FIFA are cunts. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Disco Posted June 22, 2014 Share Posted June 22, 2014 Deuce is right like, foreign fans like him are pure scum that only dampen the chances of their own national team through lack of interest and investment in the product whilst ruining the league the follow as it gets an inflated sense of self worth and due to said interest money driven attitudes from weak FAs take over to the detriment of the overall game Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deuce Posted June 22, 2014 Share Posted June 22, 2014 I used to think international football was dated, but the more financial inequality increases in club football, with teams that can spend £100m in a window "competing" with clubs that can spend nothing, and with clubs actually being owned by states, the more I see international football as the true competition. It's a test of long term planning and team spirit. It's just a shame FIFA are cunts. Good way of looking at it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
S.S.R. Posted June 22, 2014 Share Posted June 22, 2014 Hoddle wants Gerrard and Lampard in midfield. He was literally begging Gerrard on ITV not to retire, his argument was "look at Pirlo, how old is he". I saw that and wondered how a in couple more years Gerrard would magically transform into Pirlo. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Incognito Posted June 22, 2014 Share Posted June 22, 2014 Hoddle wants Gerrard and Lampard in midfield. He was literally begging Gerrard on ITV not to retire, his argument was "look at Pirlo, how old is he". I saw that and wondered how a in couple more years Gerrard would magically transform into Pirlo. I saw that too. Bearing in mind he ended Gazza's international career with no pomp and ceremony, I wouldn't read too much into it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beren Posted June 22, 2014 Share Posted June 22, 2014 Lineker's little video blog was great/brutal!: http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/27960776 [/don't know if Giggs] Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The College Dropout Posted June 22, 2014 Share Posted June 22, 2014 Spain, Germany, Italy, Netherlands, France - none of these countries would entertain the idea of a foreign coach, and none have had one for a very long time. I don't think England should be any different in that approach personally, given our resources and the strength of our domestic competition. Doing otherwise is a tacit acceptance that our coaching isn't good enough, not something I'd want to be doing ideally. Think as a nation, we would go a long way if we just admitted we are a genuine second-rate footballing nation. We have won 1 knockout round of international football since 2006. We need to find a way to get on their level - not trying to compare ourselves. We need to focus on getting the coaching right out grassroots, the academies, the reserves/B teams etc. The level of talent we have compared to those teams is embarrassing. When we accept we are second-rate and in need of a re-build, having a foreign manager becomes an option. An option I wouldn't take but one all second-rate international football teams must consider. We are more Chile, than the Netherlands. Also the strength of our club team is 99% dependant on foreign players. It's a null point. Netherlands & France have had second-rate club competitions for a long period now. A skinny guy trying to train like his experienced bodybuilder friend isn't going to make the necessary gains. We are in a much earlier development stage i'm afraid. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiresias Posted June 22, 2014 Share Posted June 22, 2014 Lineker's little video blog was great/brutal!: http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/27960776 [/don't know if Giggs] This is why match of the day is annoying, Linekar is a far better pundit than anyone they get in and he's shackled presenting. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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