The England Thread

[Yorkie]

Brilliant game, thought we were excellent, need to work on the defence though. Wellbeck is class I have to say, his movement is great and obviously Wislhere is the stand out talent. Fucking great having Strachan in charge, what a difference it makes. We'll have yous next time. 

 

You won't get a chance like today again for a long time. Unlucky.

 

Aye England are definitely on the incline, like.

[The College Dropout]

People still dislike Danny Welbeck? He's not a finisher at all. But he's good in the air, can hold it up, great link play, rarely wastes a pass and fro England is a 1 in 3 man.

 

Good player.

[AyeDubbleYoo]

I really like Welbeck, quality player. Hopefully he won't lose too much energy as he gets older.

[Yorkie]

I seem to have seen Welbeck more than most non-NUFC players and can never make my mind up on him. I mean, he's good at some stuff which sometimes makes him look really good. Then, I dunno. Other times he looks about as 'meh' as it gets.

 

You can attach this description to a lot of those who played last night. Cleverley's another one I can't quite make my mind up on.

 

Tbh, I think England have actually got a collection of good/very good players, with only Rooney who I would describe as 'world class'. They should be better than they are. They should never have been 'massive underdogs' against Italy, for eg (dunno if anyone said that but they pretty much were).

 

There's a lot of talent in the squad. Haven't really got a clue why they're not a really decent international outfit.

[AyeDubbleYoo]

I like the fact we have a lot of younger and more energetic players now. Potentially we could do quite well over the next few years.

[Yorkie]

I like the fact we have a lot of younger and more energetic players now. Potentially we could do quite well over the next few years.

 

At least in the likes of Walcott, Sturridge, Zaha, Oxlade-Chamberlain, Welbeck, etc, we've actually got some pace coming through. Germany absolutely embarrassed us in 2010 and the disparity in pace between the two squads was one of the main reasons.

[Shush]

I still think the root of all our England woes is our static players off the ball in the final third. It's so rigid. I'd love to see us shifting and roaming to make our man on the ball have easier passes to make. We still to often go for that Nicky Butt esque 'chip over the top' which despite getting us a goal last night that was unfairly chalked for offside, it was largely ineffective and gave away possesion.

 

We need to be smarter and more composed when on the ball, often we run in to dead ends when we should be shifting it around and keeping their defenders confused to who they are tracking and who they aren't.

 

Our crossing last night was largely woeful too. Was hoping for more from Baines on that front. Walker was just as useless as Johnson has been for that position.

[Shush]

I seem to have seen Welbeck more than most non-NUFC players and can never make my mind up on him. I mean, he's good at some stuff which sometimes makes him look really good. Then, I dunno. Other times he looks about as 'meh' as it gets.

 

You can attach this description to a lot of those who played last night. Cleverley's another one I can't quite make my mind up on.

 

Tbh, I think England have actually got a collection of good/very good players, with only Rooney who I would describe as 'world class'. They should be better than they are. They should never have been 'massive underdogs' against Italy, for eg (dunno if anyone said that but they pretty much were).

 

There's a lot of talent in the squad. Haven't really got a clue why they're not a really decent international outfit.

 

Welbeck is a promising lad. He needs more goals, but he has a lot of good points. His movement and linkup play is coming on well.

[Dokko]

Welbeck simply needs to get out of Manu and stop beîng a sub or backup player. His game would improve dramatically playing every game elsewhere.

[Shush]

[Incognito]

I seem to have seen Welbeck more than most non-NUFC players and can never make my mind up on him. I mean, he's good at some stuff which sometimes makes him look really good. Then, I dunno. Other times he looks about as 'meh' as it gets.

 

You can attach this description to a lot of those who played last night. Cleverley's another one I can't quite make my mind up on.

 

Tbh, I think England have actually got a collection of good/very good players, with only Rooney who I would describe as 'world class'. They should be better than they are. They should never have been 'massive underdogs' against Italy, for eg (dunno if anyone said that but they pretty much were).

 

There's a lot of talent in the squad. Haven't really got a clue why they're not a really decent international outfit.

 

Welbeck is a promising lad. He needs more goals, but he has a lot of good points. His movement and linkup play is coming on well.

 

I thought Welbeck was very bright last night. Honestly think some of the young lads that Yorkie mentioned have big futures if nurtured correctly. Loved AOC's cameo too, he has such vision for one so young. I reckon Wilshere and AOC pulling the strings for Welbeck , Walcott etc could see us have an exciting time in the years ahead. Really quite positive.

[Guest Howaythetoon]

Welbeck simply needs to get out of Manu and stop beîng a sub or backup player. His game would improve dramatically playing every game elsewhere.

 

This. He's never ever going to be good enough to start for Man Utd. I'd love him here at the Toon personally.

[Dokko]

Welbeck simply needs to get out of Manu and stop beîng a sub or backup player. His game would improve dramatically playing every game elsewhere.

 

This. He's never ever going to be good enough to start for Man Utd. I'd love him here at the Toon personally.

 

If newcastle want to pay over the odds on a striker I'd be happy it was him. Think he's bursting to improve through regular football, and even if he didn't being English we'd get our money back no bother.

[Shush]

Wonder how much it would take to get him in theory?

[Yorkie]

Welbeck simply needs to get out of Manu and stop beîng a sub or backup player. His game would improve dramatically playing every game elsewhere.

 

Think I've got to agree with this. You could argue that he's at the best possible club for nurturing talent and developing a winning mentality but I doubt he's ever going to usurp the likes of Van Persie.

 

Obviously he needs to be playing every week but, above all, he needs a defined position. This seems to be a running theme and a serious problem among young English players. Welbeck, Walcott, Oxlade-Chamberlain, Rodwell - even players who have developed past 22/23 like Milner or even Rooney - they haven't held down a specific position at their club team and I think it is damaging to England.

[Dokko]

Welbeck simply needs to get out of Manu and stop beîng a sub or backup player. His game would improve dramatically playing every game elsewhere.

 

Think I've got to agree with this. You could argue that he's at the best possible club for nurturing talent and developing a winning mentality but I doubt he's ever going to usurp the likes of Van Persie.

 

Obviously he needs to be playing every week but, above all, he needs a defined position. This seems to be a running theme and a serious problem among young English players. Welbeck, Walcott, Oxlade-Chamberlain, Rodwell - even players who have developed past 22/23 like Milner or even Rooney - they haven't held down a specific position at their club team and I think it is damaging to England.

 

Yep they go off to the top clubs and don't get played enough. Milner's development stopped as soon as he moved to Citeh, same for Sinclair & Rodwell.

[Guest Howaythetoon]

Welbeck simply needs to get out of Manu and stop beîng a sub or backup player. His game would improve dramatically playing every game elsewhere.

 

This. He's never ever going to be good enough to start for Man Utd. I'd love him here at the Toon personally.

 

If newcastle want to pay over the odds on a striker I'd be happy it was him. Think he's bursting to improve through regular football, and even if he didn't being English we'd get our money back no bother.

 

Aye. He's never going to be a prolific goalscorer but he has a lot to his game and even when things are not going his way he never stops working hard and being busy.

[SEMTEX]

I'm not in love with Welbeck, but he's certainly the type of striker we need. Much more so than Darren fucking Bent.

[Deuce]

Welbeck and Sturridge would seem to complement each other well. At least on paper. Have they seen much time together on the field?

[Ronaldo]

No, and I doubt we'd ever see them starting together anyway. Rooney and Walcott occupy 2 of the front 3 and rightly so.

[Jack Flash]

27 goals in 139 games isn't something I'd be willing to pay much money for.

[Neil]

Welbeck simply needs to get out of Manu and stop beîng a sub or backup player. His game would improve dramatically playing every game elsewhere.

 

100% agree.

 

Really don't rate him much currently; a change in club is absolutely imperative for him.

[Pilko]

Welbeck is heading towards the age where he needs to be the main man somewhere to really progress properly. When the mackems had him on loan he was largely poor, which is fucking funny, but I think if he made 25+ starts this coming season in a 7th-12th placed side he'd really explode as a quality player.

[Disco]

Welbeck simply needs to get out of Manu and stop beîng a sub or backup player. His game would improve dramatically playing every game elsewhere.

 

100% agree.

 

Really don't rate him much currently; a change in club is absolutely imperative for him.

 

A move to your lot probably wouldn't be the worst career change in the world. Would probably benefit both teams too.

[The College Dropout]

He's in the first team squad for Manchester United. And if Moyes likes him as much as Fergie did, he'll get too many games to be loaned out. But not enough to really kick on.