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Cronky

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Ultimately, it's the Chairman / owner's job to manage the finances, and they are responsible when things go wrong financially, not the manager.

 

The downside of having the excitement and status of owning a football club is that you do have to disappoint both the fans and the manager, who want to sign or retain particular players who cost more than you can afford. It goes with the territory.

 

That's unless you have so much money that you can outbid every other club, which of course isn't our situation.

 

Shepherd's biggest problem was that he got too involved in the playing side, becoming a kind of Director of Football rather than a Chairman. Everything went more and more haywire.

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madras

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So we don't want debt like Man U and Liverpool (Or Arsenal for that matter), we don't want to be the plaything of a rich owner who will buy success like Man City or Chelsea, we don't want a team full of cheap but effective cloggers like debt-free Stoke, we don't want to sign players on £70,000 a week like Spurs, we don't want to be relegated with a team full of has-beens and never-wases like Wigan or West Brom, what kind of club do we want to be and what do we actually want to achieve?

i wouldn't mind debt like man utd or liverpool, providing we can afford it, i wouldn't mind signing players on wages like spurs, providing we can afford it.................even on a decent projection.
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colinmk

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That'll be the same Man United that are on a financial cliff edge and reported losses of £100m. Have you considered supporting Portsmouth they won the FA Cup the other year.

 

Have the Chicken Littles considered supporting any of the many clubs throughout the leagues who live nice and sensibly, treading water within their means, won't take a punt on the wages or fee of an exciting looking player, sell anyone who develops well during their time at the club if they get a good offer and never show any drive or ambition to improve the club?  Wigan seem to be on a pretty sound financial footing,  and they won't go into meltdown if they go down, go and watch  dull as dishwater Championship Football in their three-quarters empty stadium, much better as a supporter than having £100m debt and 18 premier league titles.  Is it the dawn of the internet that's created this breed of fan who seems to support financial facts and figures more than what goes on on the pitch on a match day?

 

 

So unbelievably wide of the mark, it's untrue. Genuinely staggered that such a (usually) decent poster could be so out of touch/ignorant of other clubs in the league.

 

Surely they are though?  i mean, they're following the perfect formula of being owned by a wanker sportswear tycoon, refusing to pay premier league wages and using the main procurement/retention tactic of being a club which will give a premier league stage to players not proven enough to get into most top-tier sides with the understanding they can fuck off as soon as anyone else is interested without difficult decisions about whether to go or accept an improved package to stay.

 

I can't say that the finances of Wigan FC are something even a keen follower of the Premier League would be exposed to much in their day to day media consumption, but the last I heard Whelan was about to pay their remaining debt and leave them totally debt free, which puts them in a Champions League spot in the imaginary table of financial shrewdness, even as they serve up turgid bottom of the league shit to the fans who actually watch them play.

 

http://www.footballtradedirectory.com/news/2011/february/whelan-to-clear-50m-wigan-debt.html

 

Completely agree BlueStar.

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Guest Heneage

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"Hi is that the security team at Stoke, we're just wondering if you've managed to find that footage of Fuller kicking Barton."

 

"Naaah sorry mate, looked all over it must have not been caught on camera"

 

 

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leffe186

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I see alot more discussion of wages and how much worth players have on here nowadays, but I don't see many "We should keep him as he's cheap" or "Get rid of him, he's on too much" ???

 

You'll not have seen the Alan Smith thread then.

 

IIRC there was a fair bit of wage discussion after relegation, and understandably so.

 

FWIW here's what one Arsenal fan apparently said about wages:

 

""Arsenal's year ending 09/10 shows the spending on wages at £111m, marginally (approx £20m) below Man Utd and City, with Chelsea being the top spenders.

 

If we look down the list we will see Spurs at £67m for the same period.

 

This is an extraordinary statistic and it needs some pause for reflection : Arsenal spent £44 million more than Spurs on wages in one financial year.

 

This is shocking.

 

Many gooners complain that Spurs seem to outspend us in the transfer market (which they do) and many neutrals and gooners alike think that Arsenal's brilliant book balancing in the transfer market is one of the main reasons why he should not be sacked.

 

At the same time we all know that the addition of 3 or 4 good quality players would probably be the difference in winning the league this season and possibly 2 or 3 previous seasons in the last 5 years.

 

So the question is two-fold :

 

a) why does Arsene spend so much money on wages and

 

b) why do Spurs spend so little?

 

The fact that Arsenal reward their huge swathes of mediocrity should be a source of grave concern amongst us fans. Players like Rosicky on £80k per week, and on a long contract, Denilson, Bendtner, Diaby & Almunia not being far behind is criminal.

 

Spurs on the other hand pay a top whack of £60k per week and the top earner is Robbie Keane and he is currently off the wage bill altogether! OK, perhaps it is not going to be possible for Spurs to remain with such a low top wage, especially if they want to keep some of their best players such as Bale & Van Der Vaart, but what it shows is that Arsene has totally lost it.

 

He is wasting millions and millions of pounds on garbage players and this is restricting him from spending that money on better players. Make no mistake, this is his decision and his alone."

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Cronky

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I see alot more discussion of wages and how much worth players have on here nowadays, but I don't see many "We should keep him as he's cheap" or "Get rid of him, he's on too much" ???

 

You'll not have seen the Alan Smith thread then.

 

IIRC there was a fair bit of wage discussion after relegation, and understandably so.

 

FWIW here's what one Arsenal fan apparently said about wages:

 

""Arsenal's year ending 09/10 shows the spending on wages at £111m, marginally (approx £20m) below Man Utd and City, with Chelsea being the top spenders.

 

If we look down the list we will see Spurs at £67m for the same period.

 

This is an extraordinary statistic and it needs some pause for reflection : Arsenal spent £44 million more than Spurs on wages in one financial year.

 

This is shocking.

 

Many gooners complain that Spurs seem to outspend us in the transfer market (which they do) and many neutrals and gooners alike think that Arsenal's brilliant book balancing in the transfer market is one of the main reasons why he should not be sacked.

 

At the same time we all know that the addition of 3 or 4 good quality players would probably be the difference in winning the league this season and possibly 2 or 3 previous seasons in the last 5 years.

 

So the question is two-fold :

 

a) why does Arsene spend so much money on wages and

 

b) why do Spurs spend so little?

 

The fact that Arsenal reward their huge swathes of mediocrity should be a source of grave concern amongst us fans. Players like Rosicky on £80k per week, and on a long contract, Denilson, Bendtner, Diaby & Almunia not being far behind is criminal.

 

Spurs on the other hand pay a top whack of £60k per week and the top earner is Robbie Keane and he is currently off the wage bill altogether! OK, perhaps it is not going to be possible for Spurs to remain with such a low top wage, especially if they want to keep some of their best players such as Bale & Van Der Vaart, but what it shows is that Arsene has totally lost it.

 

He is wasting millions and millions of pounds on garbage players and this is restricting him from spending that money on better players. Make no mistake, this is his decision and his alone."

 

The whingeing gooner is one of the strangest phenomena of modern football. They've got a great stadium, play great football, they're second in the league with a reasonable chance of winning it, they enjoy regular Champions League football, but their manager has supposedly 'lost it'.

 

The problem seems to be that because Wenger brought them league titles before, it's a disaster when it doesn't continue to happen. Past success becoming an accusing finger.

 

I love the way that bloke talks about adding '3 or 4 good quality players' as though it's a matter of going down to Tesco's and handing over the cash. Players that are better than the ones they've got are not in plentiful supply, and will be chased by other major clubs as well.

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Nice to hear. I understand both parties actually. Everything depends on our survival in PL. As soon as the place is secured, I think NUFC will give him the the extra contract year he's requesting.

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