Joey Barton (now retired)

[KaKa]

 

If Jose Enrique leaves, it will be because he has been so exceptional, that better clubs have made thier interest known, and are willing to pay him a decent amount more than Newcastle are.

 

As simple as that. It happens in football.

 

 

 

It's not as simple as that, Enrique seems to have more ambition then the club.

 

Well what are these ambitions? And how realistic are they?

 

The guy has been exceptional, and tbh if clubs that are further along are showing interest, then him moving on tends to be what happens in football.

 

No different than Berbatov to Manu or even Torres to Chelsea.

 

 

[Guest H09]

It's happening again... supporters are doing it again... We are ignoring how it got to this point and replacing it with a negative agenda spin on the individual.

 

These people believe what we do about the club, they make their demands and try and force the change the club needs. It doesn't happen, they cause a storm and leave, we turn it into a greed based thing.

 

It is like they cannot win with supporters, we don't want them to care and have an opinion we want them to shut up and suffer. Look at Shay Given, he left because Ashley decided to stay, Ashley had lied to him, promised spending and signings to take the club forward as he promised the fans, they didn't so Shay wanted away. Supporters turned that into f*** him, greedy b****** who is traitor.

 

They fight for what this club should have. Of course there will be an element of looking after themselves, this is their occupation and career.

 

Jose Enrique is now going to leave because the people he loved were sacked/sold and the club aren't spending any money to go anywhere. Supporters will come out and say bye then, f*** you, s*** body language, didn't care. Ignoring the reasons why he didn't care!

 

We are constantly being shafted and all that happens is we have a quick moan then turn a blind eye and get on with things.

 

If Jose Enrique leaves, it will be because he has been so exceptional, that better clubs have made thier interest known, and are willing to pay him a decent amount more than Newcastle are.

 

As simple as that. It happens in football.

 

 

 

 

Not at all. Enrique has shown plenty of signs that he would stay if the club had ambition and hadn't flogged Hughton, Carroll, Nolan and now Barton.

 

What signs? Come on now. Lets be realistic.

 

Twitter hitting out at Hughton being sacked. The two times on twitter he hit out at the board, selling of players, not investing. Him saying Newcastle will never be a top 6 team operating like this.  Its pretty obvious he's pissed at the lack of ambition and the club being ran like cost cutting clowns. But of course you're just going to ignore that and say he has an agenda. The things Enrique says are the same things the supporters believe, he just isn't going to sacrifice his career being part of this absolute shite.

[KaKa]

 

If Jose Enrique leaves, it will be because he has been so exceptional, that better clubs have made thier interest known, and are willing to pay him a decent amount more than Newcastle are.

 

As simple as that. It happens in football.

 

 

 

It's not as simple as that, Enrique seems to have more ambition then the club.

 

He has become good enough for a top club, and his contract is running out. That's the most important factor IMO.

 

Simples.

[Dokko]

 

If those people wanted to say alive, they wouldn't jump off the bridge, ie If Joey really wanted to stay he wouldn't keep going on twitter slagging his paymasters off and put them in the position were they effectively sack him.

 

My point is though that Barton isn't the problem at the club, he's a symptom.  In this instance he's causing his own problems but he isn't the only one who appears to be pissed off and the ones making the noises are all pointing to the people above them.  The common theme is that we have problems within the club and the people running it are lairs and that isn't going to go away if and when Barton leaves the club.

 

But have you seen the list of unhappy players?

 

Barton - mad cunt, been in prison, disruptive, upset at not getting his own way on just about everything. Had one good season and still isn't worth what he's being paid by us.

Ranger - gangsta, poor trainer, upset he doesn't get starts, talent and attitude suggests he's not even deserving to come off the bench.

Enrique - gone back on his word about discussing a new deal, wants away, stringing us along, wants world class signings were not in the position to bring in.

Nolan - wanted wages and contract length way beyond his talent and physical ability.

Carroll - wanted a new deal months after signing a 5 year contract. Another one with trouble written through him like a stick of Blackpool rock. Officially handed in a transfer request.

Zoggy - took a huff at being called the wrong name, handed in a transfer request due to this. Thought he was good enough for arsenal, signed for Wigan.

Given - took his 5th or 6th huff of his Newcastle career, refused to play for the club and went for the money. Turned out well for him.

 

I'm not not on ash eye side btw, but I'm certainly not on joeys either, or any of those players I mentioned above. I'm on the side of Newcastle United, the middle ground where none of those mentioned and the board lie, and never will.

 

 

[ChrisMcQuillan]

Why the feck does everyone keep going on about its wrong to let him go on a free ?

 

He was leaving on a free anyway at the end of season, no contract being offered and no one wanted to buy him anyway, the teams are only interested in him as he for nothing, with everything thats happened it has got to be the right thing to part ways surely, for the sake of a couple million.

 

What you have to realise is people cannot look past their hatred for Ashley and Llambias in any single circumstance.

 

No matter what any individual does they will claim it is right as long as it is in opposition to Ashley.

 

Joey Barton and Willie McKay are clearly using this to their advantage in this situation.

 

I don't know when it became acceptable to rubbish your club and behave so badly because you don't think the owner is spending enough money, or giving contracts to your mates.

 

The owners have stated that this is how the club is going to be run. Support the team, and look forward to better days, whether that be a change in ownersip as some want, or a change in policy.

 

Interesting to note the window has a month to run still, but people have convinced themselves that no more players are coming in, and are being fueled by this rage.

 

What have Everton done this window? What of Villa? Did they not just get £36 million from the Downing and Young sales? Other than Zoggy, what?

 

Senseless behaviour.

 

This.

 

Sacking popular managers, renaming an historic stadium and slapping cheap advertisements over the history of the club has nothing to do with it at all.

[clintdempsey]

 

Can you guarantee we won't be getting any more players?

 

This seems to be the root of a lot of anger on here, but ultimately there is a month of the window to run, and the fact is the majority of clubs have done nothing this window, because things haven'treally kicked off yet.

 

I just don't see the point of getting so wound up over signings at this stage. There's no denying we've done pretty well so far in terms of new players.

 

Let's see what happens.

 

The majority of Premiership clubs have bought players in, I would say that we are somewhere in the middle of the clubs who have and haven't.  Also, we'll only know if we've done well when players start producing on the pitch.

 

Sunderland 10

Norwich           7

Fulham           5

Bolton           4

Liverpool           4

Newcastle           4

Chelsea           3

Man City           3

Man Utd           3

QPR                   3

Swansea           3

West Brom   3

Wolves           3

Arsenal           2

Aston Villa           2

Blackburn           2

Stoke           2

Tottenham   1

Wigan           1

Everton           0

 

* Great formatting there btw. 

 

The point is though, how many of those teams have sold 42M+ worth of players in the last 2 windows?

 

I wasn't trying to prove a point. Just posted an admittedly s*** table with the incoming transfers of each team.

 

Everton have sold 35 millions worth and only bought Zog.

 

 

 

Villa even. And they've bought Given as well.

[Interpolic]

 

Can you guarantee we won't be getting any more players?

 

This seems to be the root of a lot of anger on here, but ultimately there is a month of the window to run, and the fact is the majority of clubs have done nothing this window, because things haven'treally kicked off yet.

 

I just don't see the point of getting so wound up over signings at this stage. There's no denying we've done pretty well so far in terms of new players.

 

Let's see what happens.

 

The majority of Premiership clubs have bought players in, I would say that we are somewhere in the middle of the clubs who have and haven't.  Also, we'll only know if we've done well when players start producing on the pitch.

 

Sunderland 10

Norwich           7

Fulham           5

Bolton           4

Liverpool           4

Newcastle           4

Chelsea           3

Man City           3

Man Utd           3

QPR                   3

Swansea           3

West Brom   3

Wolves           3

Arsenal           2

Aston Villa           2

Blackburn           2

Stoke           2

Tottenham   1

Wigan           1

Everton           0

 

* Great formatting there btw. 

 

The point is though, how many of those teams have sold 42M+ worth of players in the last 2 windows?

 

I wasn't trying to prove a point. Just posted an admittedly s*** table with the incoming transfers of each team.

 

Everton have sold 35 millions worth and only bought Zog.

 

 

 

Villa you mean?  They also spent over £20m on Bent in January and have spent considerably more than us over the last few years.

[Mick]

 

Well what are these ambitions? And how realistic are they?

 

The guy has been exceptional, and tbh if clubs that are further along are showing interest, then him moving on tends to be what happens in football.

 

No different than Berbatov to Manu or even Torres to Chelsea.

 

 

 

His ambitions were to be recognised by Spain and he doesn't think he'll get that here because our profile isn't high enough.  I don’t think that’s too unreasonable.

[Jayson]

Freddie shepherd airing his views on talksport atm

[Mick]

 

I wasn't trying to prove a point. Just posted an admittedly s*** table with the incoming transfers of each team.

 

That doesn't go against what I was saying anyway, it shows that most clubs have got players in, even if we're slightly higher than average.  It's only 1 player making that difference.

[clintdempsey]

 

I wasn't trying to prove a point. Just posted an admittedly s*** table with the incoming transfers of each team.

 

That doesn't go against what I was saying anyway, it shows that most clubs have got players in, even if we're slightly higher than average.  It's only 1 player making that difference.

 

I know that. Just was interested in how many players each team has brought in that's all. Call it a courtesy table.

[JH]

That article from Lee Ryder :mackems:

 

The article from Douglas in the Journal was brilliantly written though

 

This bit hit home especially:

 

While there is sense in United trying to peddle a player who has so disrupted a pre-season campaign, where does it leave them before the Arsenal game at St James’ Park a week on Saturday?

 

The answer has to be considerably weaker than they were last season, when a team underpinned by the nous and savvy of Nolan and Barton managed to kick, spit and scrap their way to 11th in the Premier League.

 

Team spirit was the key to that finish but despite talk of the bonds formed in America, the undercurrents of discontent are becoming ripples. Danny Simpson, for example, took to Twitter to claim he was “lost for words” at the Barton announcement.

 

[TRon]

The point is though, how many of those teams have sold 42M+ worth of players in the last 2 windows?

 

  no context Zaius, NO CONTEXT!!!

 

The transfer window hasn't shut yet though has it?

 

 

[Mick]

 

But have you seen the list of unhappy players?

 

Barton - mad c***, been in prison, disruptive, upset at not getting his own way on just about everything. Had one good season and still isn't worth what he's being paid by us.

Ranger - gangsta, poor trainer, upset he doesn't get starts, talent and attitude suggests he's not even deserving to come off the bench.

Enrique - gone back on his word about discussing a new deal, wants away, stringing us along, wants world class signings were not in the position to bring in.

Nolan - wanted wages and contract length way beyond his talent and physical ability.

Carroll - wanted a new deal months after signing a 5 year contract. Another one with trouble written through him like a stick of Blackpool rock. Officially handed in a transfer request.

Zoggy - took a huff at being called the wrong name, handed in a transfer request due to this. Thought he was good enough for arsenal, signed for Wigan.

Given - took his 5th or 6th huff of his Newcastle career, refused to play for the club and went for the money. Turned out well for him.

 

I'm not not on ash eye side btw, but I'm certainly not on joeys either, or any of those players I mentioned above. I'm on the side of Newcastle United, the middle ground where none of those mentioned and the board lie, and never will.

 

 

 

The players are a part of Newcastle United, more so than those who own the club.  I've never said anything about you being on Ashley's side and don't see anything to sggest that you are.  I just think the club has problems which will not leave with Barton, which seems to be the opinion of some people.

[Skirge]

How many of you would have had Joey in your starting 11 if all players were fit?

 

 

I know I know strength in depth blah blah

[thomas]

"42m worth" we've sold 20m worth, and that's being generous.  If you believe Carroll is worth 35m I've got a bridge you might be interested in. 

 

Not that "net spend" matters in the slightest.

[Doctor Zaius]

 

Can you guarantee we won't be getting any more players?

 

This seems to be the root of a lot of anger on here, but ultimately there is a month of the window to run, and the fact is the majority of clubs have done nothing this window, because things haven'treally kicked off yet.

 

I just don't see the point of getting so wound up over signings at this stage. There's no denying we've done pretty well so far in terms of new players.

 

Let's see what happens.

 

The majority of Premiership clubs have bought players in, I would say that we are somewhere in the middle of the clubs who have and haven't.  Also, we'll only know if we've done well when players start producing on the pitch.

 

Sunderland 10

Norwich           7

Fulham           5

Bolton           4

Liverpool           4

Newcastle           4

Chelsea           3

Man City           3

Man Utd           3

QPR                   3

Swansea           3

West Brom   3

Wolves           3

Arsenal           2

Aston Villa           2

Blackburn           2

Stoke           2

Tottenham   1

Wigan           1

Everton           0

 

* Great formatting there btw. 

 

The point is though, how many of those teams have sold 42M+ worth of players in the last 2 windows?

 

I wasn't trying to prove a point. Just posted an admittedly s*** table with the incoming transfers of each team.

 

Everton have sold 35 millions worth and only bought Zog.

 

 

 

I assume you mean Villa? They've bought Given too however and spent a fee rising to 24M on Darren Bent in January. Plus, it looks like they're still looking to bring in a few more, something I have doubts overus doing.

 

Another point is many of the clubs on that list will have to sell to buy, waiting on the right deal and looking to do business and identify targets right up untill August 31st. Whilst we've had 35M sat in our pockets for half a season with ample time to identify targets and areas that need strengthened. Something we've seemingly failed to do.

[ponsaelius]

"42m worth" we've sold 20m worth, and that's being generous.  If you believe Carroll is worth 35m I've got a bridge you might be interested in. 

 

Not that "net spend" matters in the slightest.

 

Eh?!

[mrmojorisin75]

"42m worth" we've sold 20m worth, and that's being generous.  If you believe Carroll is worth 35m I've got a bridge you might be interested in.  

 

Not that "net spend" matters in the slightest.

 

[JH]

How many of you would have had Joey in your starting 11 if all players were fit?

 

 

I know I know strength in depth blah blah

 

As opposed to what? Just having 11 decent players? Don't worry, that'll be the case soon.

[clintdempsey]

How many of you would have had Joey in your starting 11 if all players were fit?

 

 

I know I know strength in depth blah blah

 

As opposed to what? Just having 11 decent players? Don't worry, that'll be the case soon.

 

I seriously doubt Barton is the perfect player for a bench role. He is after all in his own mind the best English midfielder. But he's better than no-one that's for sure.

[Skirge]

How many of you would have had Joey in your starting 11 if all players were fit?

 

 

I know I know strength in depth blah blah

 

As opposed to what? Just having 11 decent players? Don't worry, that'll be the case soon.

 

NOT what I was saying and you know it... of course we need strength in depth, we have suffered for to long not having it.

Its just this Barton was out best player stuff... so was wondering how many would start him if everyone was fit.

[Doctor Zaius]

"42m worth" we've sold 20m worth, and that's being generous.  If you believe Carroll is worth 35m I've got a bridge you might be interested in. 

 

Not that "net spend" matters in the slightest.

 

I didnt sayCarroll was worth 35M, but regardless thats what we sold him for. Then when you add Nolan on for 4.5 and 2.5M for Routledge, it's looking like around the 42M mark for incoming transfer fee's to me like.

[JH]

How many of you would have had Joey in your starting 11 if all players were fit?

 

 

I know I know strength in depth blah blah

 

As opposed to what? Just having 11 decent players? Don't worry, that'll be the case soon.

 

NOT what I was saying and you know it... of course we need strength in depth, we have suffered for to long not having it.

Its just this Barton was out best player stuff... so was wondering how many would start him if everyone was fit.

 

The 'blah blah' bit said differently, but ok, My bad.

 

He'd be in my current starting lineup, because I we don't have any better right sided midfielder in the squad IMO.

[Dave]

Probably been said, but it seems once again that Ashley not only has the local media in his pocket, but also some of the national media. The local media probably want to keep him sweet, so will watch what they say and I'd imagine that he has mate's in the national press who will look after him too. Didn't one of them used to write for the NotW? Either way, it's a sorry state of affairs when recent history is being revised to get Barton out of the door and also to get NUFC fans to turn against him. What a scummy club we currently support. Makes me ashamed to be a black and white at the moment. Even more so than when those knackers ran on the pitch at Darlington the other week - this is far worse.

 

And again, which quality players are going to come and play for an owner who will stab you in the back at the first available sign of dissent/opportunity?

 

Ben Arfa, cabaye, Ba, Marveaux?

 

DUH!

 

 

Most of them unproven in the PL! Ba has onyl played 12 games, ffs. And if they joined on the promise of the club pushing on and showing ambition, what do you think will happen next year when hopefully we've managed to stay clear of relegation (which is looking likely)? They will be off quicker than s*** off a shovel.

 

Side point but every player in the entire league was 'unproven in the PL' as some point. Think people place too much on this.

 

There's always an excuse.

 

Their always injured and so they aren't good signings!

 

They're unporven in the league!

 

They're Frencch bottlers!

 

They don't have enough passion!

 

Boring.

 

Tend to agree with this, the lack of any optimism about our new signings is pretty depressing. Cabaye and Ben Arfa in particular I'm very happy about, and Ba is (shock horror) proven to be able to get goals at this level.

 

What a crock of shit. Go and have a look in those threads and come back when you've read the optimism about them. There's plenty.