Guest WisconsinMagpie Posted May 25, 2011 Share Posted May 25, 2011 If we're remaking the club this summer, let's remake it, eh? We asked George Caulkin on Twitter if the Barton situation would affect Nolan's. Reply: CaulkinTheTimes @NUFC_US well, they're completely separate negotiations and talks ongoing. Same rule applies: Nufc won't be held to ransom by anybody. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlueStar Posted May 25, 2011 Share Posted May 25, 2011 Only a problem if you don't trust the club to adequately replace him and to end up with a decent squad depth. So yeah, I think it'll probably be a problem. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Wearside Posted May 25, 2011 Share Posted May 25, 2011 I'm surprised at the amount of people saying that he is replaceable,one of your best players this season from what I've seen and everything goes through him, think he will be a lot harder for you to replace than people think. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
80 Posted May 25, 2011 Share Posted May 25, 2011 How many right midfielders are there that we could get who have Barton's vision, passing, crossing and can influence a game the way he can? The way Pardew sets us up and, going on his past and the players we're being linked with, where he's going to take us, Barton is becoming steadily more obsolete, though. I think it's a mistake and a shame as when Joey had a good game he played in a great system and I loved the games that came out of them, but there you go... As a player, he doesn't fit nearly so well nowadays. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Disco Posted May 25, 2011 Share Posted May 25, 2011 I'm surprised at the amount of people saying that he is replaceable,one of your best players this season from what I've seen and everything goes through him, think he will be a lot harder for you to replace than people think. Totally agree. Replacing him would see us having to change the way we play a lot as with him we effectively play 3 in the middle allowing Nolan to get forward freely. A traditional winger would curtail this a bit. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest BlacknWhiteArmy Posted May 25, 2011 Share Posted May 25, 2011 I'm surprised at the amount of people saying that he is replaceable,one of your best players this season from what I've seen and everything goes through him, think he will be a lot harder for you to replace than people think. In terms of actual quality we could, with the money. Influence wise, never. Must must stay. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted May 25, 2011 Share Posted May 25, 2011 Barton was very good last season but I think people are over-rating him a tad. I'd rather someone like N'Zogbia there next season who's more of a goal threat if we're planning on two widemen and Ben Arfa off a striker. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AyeDubbleYoo Posted May 25, 2011 Share Posted May 25, 2011 How many right midfielders are there that we could get who have Barton's vision, passing, crossing and can influence a game the way he can? The way Pardew sets us up and, going on his past and the players we're being linked with, where he's going to take us, Barton is becoming steadily more obsolete, though. I think it's a mistake and a shame as when Joey had a good game he played in a great system and I loved the games that came out of them, but there you go... As a player, he doesn't fit nearly so well nowadays. Isn't Barton essential to Pardew's way of playing? It's presumably because of that that our only genuine wide player (Routledge) was let go. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frazzle Posted May 25, 2011 Share Posted May 25, 2011 I'm surprised at the amount of people saying that he is replaceable,one of your best players this season from what I've seen and everything goes through him, think he will be a lot harder for you to replace than people think. I wouldn't say everything goes through him considering the amount that we use Enrique and Jonas. I guess the club think Ben Arfa will step in to replace the creativity void. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
80 Posted May 25, 2011 Share Posted May 25, 2011 He may be "replaceable" but if he and Enrique leave we are going to have to make two big signings to stand still That's kind of what I've been expecting to happen, and your point will be forgotten by many by the time some start saying 'but we made some really great signings last Summer like Joe Bloginho and John Doecescu...' Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colocho Posted May 25, 2011 Share Posted May 25, 2011 How many right midfielders are there that we could get who have Barton's vision, passing, crossing and can influence a game the way he can? And who would come into the squad settled/liked by the rest of the team ... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SEMTEX Posted May 25, 2011 Share Posted May 25, 2011 I don't want him to go by any means, but he's a half-winger, half-cm with an attitude problem who is attempting to milk a club who stood by him whilst he sat in a jail cell... forgive me if I think we can survive without that at the club. Personally, I'd prefer an out-an-out winger on both flanks, therefore Joey is replaceable in the team that I'd craft. Guess it depends what Pardy Parderson's vision for our starting XI is. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ronaldo Posted May 25, 2011 Share Posted May 25, 2011 Barton was very good last season but I think people are over-rating him a tad. I'd rather someone like N'Zogbia there next season who's more of a goal threat if we're planning on two widemen and Ben Arfa off a striker. Agree with that. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
WarrenBartonCentrePartin Posted May 25, 2011 Share Posted May 25, 2011 How many right midfielders are there that we could get who have Barton's vision, passing, crossing and can influence a game the way he can? congratulations on having this tweeted word for word by United for Newcastle. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
80 Posted May 25, 2011 Share Posted May 25, 2011 I'm surprised at the amount of people saying that he is replaceable,one of your best players this season from what I've seen and everything goes through him, think he will be a lot harder for you to replace than people think. Totally agree. Replacing him would see us having to change the way we play a lot as with him we effectively play 3 in the middle allowing Nolan to get forward freely. A traditional winger would curtail this a bit. Highlights the point that Pardew still doesn't know how to use Nolan yet, and is why he probably ought to be sold as well sooner rather than later, believe it or not. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ponsaelius Posted May 25, 2011 Share Posted May 25, 2011 Barton was very good last season but I think people are over-rating him a tad. I'd rather someone like N'Zogbia there next season who's more of a goal threat if we're planning on two widemen and Ben Arfa off a striker. Agree with that. Same. That said I really hope he stays, because I hate that it feels like we're having to take a step back before we even sign anybody. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Consortium of one Posted May 25, 2011 Share Posted May 25, 2011 Barton has been great this year. However, at his age he'll regress before he ever improves. It's also the only good, full year he's had during the contract. It's obvious he's been pumping himself up as an England candidate so he can squeeze more money out of the contract. I've no idea what the club offered but given the fact that the club did stand by him while he was in prison, no less, if the club offered him the same weekly terms and a decent signing bonus it would be fair for all if he accepted it. If he wants more money, then yeah, maybe it is time to let him go. Disappointing, but I wouldn't retain him if his demands are over the top. I also understand that Fat Bastard might be undercutting him but if it was an insulting offer made in April, I think we would have heard something about it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. Snrub Posted May 25, 2011 Share Posted May 25, 2011 How many right midfielders are there that we could get who have Barton's vision, passing, crossing and can influence a game the way he can? congratulations on having this tweeted word for word by United for Newcastle. Eh? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dokko Posted May 25, 2011 Share Posted May 25, 2011 Hopefully this is a sign Nolan isn't getting a new deal either. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest neesy111 Posted May 25, 2011 Share Posted May 25, 2011 I don't want him to go by any means, but he's a half-winger, half-cm with an attitude problem who is attempting to milk a club who stood by him whilst he sat in a jail cell... forgive me if I think we can survive without that at the club. Personally, I'd prefer an out-an-out winger on both flanks, therefore Joey is replaceable in the team that I'd craft. Guess it depends what Pardy Parderson's vision for our starting XI is. Well said and agree 100%. Too many on here in total panic and thinking we are totally dependent on 1 player ffs. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ronaldo Posted May 25, 2011 Share Posted May 25, 2011 Must say, it doesn't send the best message if we lose 3 out of our 5 best players in the space of 6 months. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
WarrenBartonCentrePartin Posted May 25, 2011 Share Posted May 25, 2011 How many right midfielders are there that we could get who have Barton's vision, passing, crossing and can influence a game the way he can? congratulations on having this tweeted word for word by United for Newcastle. Eh? taking what you said and passing it off as their own. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
80 Posted May 25, 2011 Share Posted May 25, 2011 How many right midfielders are there that we could get who have Barton's vision, passing, crossing and can influence a game the way he can? The way Pardew sets us up and, going on his past and the players we're being linked with, where he's going to take us, Barton is becoming steadily more obsolete, though. I think it's a mistake and a shame as when Joey had a good game he played in a great system and I loved the games that came out of them, but there you go... As a player, he doesn't fit nearly so well nowadays. Isn't Barton essential to Pardew's way of playing? It's presumably because of that that our only genuine wide player (Routledge) was let go. Regarding Routledge, I think he was let go to save wages and because Pardew simply didn't rate him in the slightest. As for Barton, he's only essential given the squad Pardew's been dealing with (we've got fuck all decent attackers, let's face it). In truth he's been used somewhat differently since the first half of the season, and less effectively in my view (part of the reason Simpson has suddenly 'become shit', remember how everyone was saying their partnership was starting to outshine the Latin Left?). More to the point, as Pardew starts making a real stamp on things, Barton's going to become less useful, partly as he's too slow. Could only see that being different if Pardew somehow manages to reconvert him to centre-midfield, but that involves booting Nolan out, of course. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRon Posted May 25, 2011 Share Posted May 25, 2011 I don't want him to go by any means, but he's a half-winger, half-cm with an attitude problem who is attempting to milk a club who stood by him whilst he sat in a jail cell... forgive me if I think we can survive without that at the club. Personally, I'd prefer an out-an-out winger on both flanks, therefore Joey is replaceable in the team that I'd craft. Guess it depends what Pardy Parderson's vision for our starting XI is. That's how I see it as well. Barton has struggled when playing in the centre he gets caught on the ball a lot. Out wide he's done well, especially when Carroll was here but not so much since. I doubt we'd lose much if Larsson replaced him. Similar game and very good delivery to the strikers. Although we could really be ambitious and go for someone who is a bit quicker as well. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest toonlass Posted May 25, 2011 Share Posted May 25, 2011 How many right midfielders are there that we could get who have Barton's vision, passing, crossing and can influence a game the way he can? congratulations on having this tweeted word for word by United for Newcastle. Eh? United for Newcastle have copied what you said and pasted it on Twitter on their account. Some people might think they thought of this by themselves. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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