Pre-season specialist Haris Vučkić joins FC Twente

[Wullie]

Peterbrough was pushing the theory Wullie's proposing too far. For first team football to be beneficial to youngsters it needs to be alongside their more senior team-mates not surrounded by the youngsters in the reserves.

 

Say for example pick no more than three (Vuckic, Kadar, LuaLua) and play those three in their natural positions.

 

[Pilko]

Peterbrough was pushing the theory Wullie's proposing too far. For first team football to be beneficial to youngsters it needs to be alongside their more senior team-mates not surrounded by the youngsters in the reserves.

 

Say for example pick no more than three (Vuckic, Kadar, LuaLua) and play those three in their natural positions.

 

 

That's what I was getting at btw Sewelly; LuaLua should have been in front of Geremi when he played, and as soon as promotion was assured we should have picked the three most promising ones (+Krul in net) and played them for a few matches.

[ponsaelius]

Yeah I completely agree with both you. That's what I was meaning with the Peterborough game, we threw too many in together rather than put them in a competitive team where they can benefit.

[Pilko]

Yeah I completely agree with both you. That's what I was meaning with the Peterborough game, we threw too many in together rather than put them in a competitive team where they can benefit.

 

that was equally daft. What was it, S.Taylor, Guthrie and Lovenkrands (and Krul in goal) and then pretty much all first starts after that? I remember Nolan and co. coming on to try and salvage it, what a farce.

[ponsaelius]

Ryan Taylor played left back.

[Jack Flash]

Right, I'll stick with this then.

 

 

But all that is based on reserve games (most of which haven't been seen) and a few appearances at a level he clearly isn't ready for. He needs far more games at a high level to work him out.

 

Can I just assume he's amazing on computer games or something?

 

What else are opinions of players supposed to be based on other than what we've seen? Most of his best performances for the reserves and youth team came when playing as an attacking midfielder through the middle, the same position he himself has said is his best position as recently as last week. Everything I have said is fundamentally obvious as it stands. Maybe his workrate will improve (one of the games last season for the first team he put himself about more than he ever has at other levels) as his career goes on, maybe he be able to play out wide more naturally as he develops. I cannot see the future.

 

However as it stands he's a player that has proven to struggle when played even slightly out of position. This doesn't tend to change for players of his ilk.

 

I'm basing my analysis on what I've seen of him up to now, you're just being pointlessly dismissive and awkward.

 

"pointlessly dismissive and awkward" because I haven't made several judgements on a player with maybe 20 games in his whole career, with about 4 of those at a decent level?

 

Maybe let him have a few more first team starts before you start thinking you've figured it all out, eh?

[ponsaelius]

Right, I'll stick with this then.

 

 

But all that is based on reserve games (most of which haven't been seen) and a few appearances at a level he clearly isn't ready for. He needs far more games at a high level to work him out.

 

Can I just assume he's amazing on computer games or something?

 

What else are opinions of players supposed to be based on other than what we've seen? Most of his best performances for the reserves and youth team came when playing as an attacking midfielder through the middle, the same position he himself has said is his best position as recently as last week. Everything I have said is fundamentally obvious as it stands. Maybe his workrate will improve (one of the games last season for the first team he put himself about more than he ever has at other levels) as his career goes on, maybe he be able to play out wide more naturally as he develops. I cannot see the future.

 

However as it stands he's a player that has proven to struggle when played even slightly out of position. This doesn't tend to change for players of his ilk.

 

I'm basing my analysis on what I've seen of him up to now, you're just being pointlessly dismissive and awkward.

 

"pointlessly dismissive and awkward" because I haven't made several judgements on a player with maybe 20 games in his whole career, with about 4 of those at a decent level?

 

Maybe let him have a few more first team starts before you start thinking you've figured it all out, eh?

 

How have I got it 'all figured out'.    Fucking hell man, can't comment or discuss anything without being shot down by non-contributive divvees like yourself. 20 games is a pretty decent sample to make a judgement on what kind of player he is and what is strengths and weaknesses are or might be. Reet, lets just not discuss him as a player whatsoever then.

 

Infact, lets just not post and not comment on anything, close the forum down.

 

90% of the stuff on here is aimless guff, or discussing stuff that is speculative and opinion based. That's all I've done with my posts about this particular player. Given my opinions on him on what I've seen, none of which I think is wholly unreasonable. It's not as if I've made a fundamental judgement of how his career will go from now on, is it? Why don't you go into the Shane Ferguson thread and start shooting down anybody who says that he's not big enough or comments on what kind of player he is?

[Jack Flash]

20 games is a pretty decent sample to make a judgement on what kind of player he is and what is strengths and weaknesses are or might be.

 

No, it isn't. Especially since you've probably seen him play only 4 or 5 times yourself and he was hugely out of his depth in most of those games.

 

This is obviously going nowhere so no need to mega-post me again.

[ponsaelius]

20 games is a pretty decent sample to make a judgement on what kind of player he is and what is strengths and weaknesses are or might be.

 

No, it isn't. Especially since you've probably seen him play only 4 or 5 times yourself and he was hugely out of his depth in most of those games.

 

This is obviously going nowhere so no need to mega-post me again.

 

It's not enough to make a categoric judgement but it's more than enough to point out simple observations about what kind of player he is FFS. What I've said is absolutely no different to people saying that Shane Ferguson looks a confident dribbler, or that they think he looks more suited to playing out wide etc. Players are scouted and signed on the basis of far fewer viewings than that, so I think pointing out pretty simple stuff like he's left footed and looks uncomfortable playing out wide is fair game.

 

Honestly, man, what a load of nonsense you're spouting. Hope that doesn't count as a 'megapost'. 

[Jack Flash]

20 games is a pretty decent sample to make a judgement on what kind of player he is and what is strengths and weaknesses are or might be.

 

No, it isn't. Especially since you've probably seen him play only 4 or 5 times yourself and he was hugely out of his depth in most of those games.

 

This is obviously going nowhere so no need to mega-post me again.

 

It's not enough to make a categoric judgement but it's more than enough to point out simple observations about what kind of player he is FFS. What I've said is absolutely no different to people saying that Shane Ferguson looks a confident dribbler, or that they think he looks more suited to playing out wide etc. Players are scouted and signed on the basis of far fewer viewings than that, so I think pointing out pretty simple stuff like he's left footed and looks uncomfortable playing out wide is fair game.

 

Honestly, man, what a load of nonsense you're spouting. Hope that doesn't count as a 'megapost'. 

 

Ferguson has actually proved those things in his few matches at a high level. Matches most of us have actually seen I should add, not just heard about.

 

Vuckic has looked massively out of his depth in most (all?) of his high level matches so why people are making such specific judgements about him is comical. Ranger looked like he had an eye for a goal at reserve level fwiw.

 

Repeating myself now. Might just buy football manager to see how he's going to turn out.

[Ash]

20 games is a pretty decent sample to make a judgement on what kind of player he is and what is strengths and weaknesses are or might be.

 

No, it isn't. Especially since you've probably seen him play only 4 or 5 times yourself and he was hugely out of his depth in most of those games.

 

This is obviously going nowhere so no need to mega-post me again.

 

It's not enough to make a categoric judgement but it's more than enough to point out simple observations about what kind of player he is FFS. What I've said is absolutely no different to people saying that Shane Ferguson looks a confident dribbler, or that they think he looks more suited to playing out wide etc. Players are scouted and signed on the basis of far fewer viewings than that, so I think pointing out pretty simple stuff like he's left footed and looks uncomfortable playing out wide is fair game.

 

Honestly, man, what a load of nonsense you're spouting. Hope that doesn't count as a 'megapost'. 

 

Ferguson has actually proved those things in his few matches at a high level. Matches most of us have actually seen I should add, not just heard about.

 

Vuckic has looked massively out of his depth in most (all?) of his high level matches so why people are making such specific judgements about him is comical. Ranger looked like he had an eye for a goal at reserve level fwiw.

 

Repeating myself now. Might just buy football manager to see how he's going to turn out.

 

How many games has he played for the first team in his natural position?

[RupertCommunicator]

Right. Everyone stop posting. Nothing to see here. We can now only post hard facts, so might as well just read the news. Clearly opinion isn't allowed without someone getting a massive cockstand about it.

[ponsaelius]

 

It's not even about him playing in his natural position or how he has coped at this level. It's his fundamental point that I apparently can't make judgements on him as a player whatsoever. I've seen him play maybe 6-7 times for the reserves and youth on top of a handful of first team games, more than enough to come to conclusions about his position, footedness and some strengths and weaknesses. Hardly groundbreaking stuff. People were making observations about Cabaye after watching him play a couple of times for Lille and France, obviously we don't know how he's going to cope in the Premier League for sure but all it was is basic, speculative observations about his style of play, possible strengths etc.

 

[RupertCommunicator]

And everyone knows that Barfa is God, despite him only playing for us for a total of 34 seconds all in.

[Disco]

So long as we're all clear only Colocho knows about Marveaux.

[ponsaelius]

Tbf I was pretty harsh on Colocho on that occasion, but it was only because his opinion on the player seemed to change and contradict itself. 

[Adam]

Fuck it, sod Ben Arfa 10 Im going for Vuckic 29 again this year (he is still 29 right?). This lad is going to be awesome, if not I'll be cool with the name no-one has ever heard of!

[Beezeri]

You can definitely make some sort of a judgement of a players ability just by watching him train not to mention playing a game. However playing out of his natural position could have a major impact on his performance(especially right footed players playing out wide left...like Jonas) until he is used to it.

 

All of our young guns are training with the first team, right? It's the same thing with Kadar I guess...Vuckic has been out injured for long periods and he hasn't been able to train with the first team which is certainly different compared to the youths. He's still a young lad and we have enough time for him. Do you really expect an 18 years old foreign player to be ready for the big stage quite yet?

 

I think loaning him out to a level like League One team would be perfect...his potential and technical ability should be better than most at that level but physically he's not ready and few months out there would do him miracles I guess. Same goes with Kadar but Championship would be his level.

[Beezeri]

f*** it, sod Ben Arfa 10 Im going for Vuckic 29 again this year (he is still 29 right?). This lad is going to be awesome, if not I'll be cool with the name no-one has ever heard of!

 

Same here...I've got mine already

 

I have high hopes for the lad indeed

[Cajun]

 

Spot on Wullie. That was my biggest criticism of Hughton, especially when we were in the Championship.

 

That was also my biggest problem with Hughton and it will only be worse under Pardew.  We've already seen that he'll not pick the kids when we fielded a strong unmotivated team against Stevenage in the Cup.

 

To be fair, he made a lot of noises about sending players out on loan when he came in. He will have more chance to do that now so we will probably see his true intentions when the window closes.

[Skirge]

Haris Vuckic: Trust me to find United's goals

by Lee Ryder, Evening Chronicle

Jul 26 2011

 

 

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[alexf]

everytime i see his face, i picture one of kasper's dancing gifs

[oldtype]

I'd like him to prove that he can do anything of consequence in a competitive football match first. Desperately want him to succeed but so far we've seen nothing.

[Beren]

See your point oldtype, but he hasn't done too shabbily in the handful of competitive outings he's had - and generally in reserve-strength sides.

 

Providing he is doing the business in training, I'd be happy to see him compete more robustly for a back-up CM spot ahead of Smith/Guthrie if he is deserving of it. Hopefully Pardew (or whoever is picking the team) won't be afraid to take to take risks if he is outperforming his peers.

 

In any case, good to hear some hunger, appetite and confidence.

[Tooj]

I'd like him to prove that he can do anything of consequence in a competitive football match first. Desperately want him to succeed but so far we've seen nothing.

 

He's also bee played out of position by all accounts.