madras Posted October 17, 2009 Share Posted October 17, 2009 is anyone goig to be honest enough to say that we are not better without butt in the middle ? get the scapegoating out the way (seen it with batty years ago when he had f*** all in the way of options) at least butt will take responsibility,something palpably lacking smith or nolan. i didn't even notice guthrie was playing till the hour mark. Butt is just another legless codger who can't keep up with the game. Just because the rest are bad doesn't mean he's the answer. One of the few successes this season has been Butt's replacement, Smith. partly my point. he's not the answer but did he deserve the lickings of a dog he got and why aren't smith,nolan and others getting similar for worse performances ? Smith has been better imo. Guthrie and Nolan, I agree have been s**** but I've said that previously. smith at the start of the season fair enough....last 5 or 6 games ? nah! Now you are making Smith the scapegoat. He's doing his job in front of the back four, it's the midfieders who don't dovetail with the attack that are failing. no i'm saying he's been as bad as butt and nolan recently and probably overated at the start of the season/ Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gaz Posted October 17, 2009 Share Posted October 17, 2009 I don't know why you lot bother to watch matches, all you can come up with is constant criticism. We deserved all the flak last 2 seasons but there are a lot of positives coming out of this season. Just open your eyes and try and see, and perhaps give some players a bit of credit. I've been a Nolan critic all last season but he has been our only midfield player, consistently likely to score or provide goalscoring opportunities. Mate I was also at the game and not sure what you were watching. Unless Nolan has shots on goal, he is hopeless and provides nothing. Smith is the only player in midfield who sticks his foot in and Enrique is easily our best player and today looked the only one likely to maybe create something Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Mantis Posted October 17, 2009 Share Posted October 17, 2009 People still questioning Harper? f*** sake man, what does the lad have to do for a bit of credit. How about open his mouth when his defence and midfield 4 stand off the oppostion whenever they cross the halfway line. There was one point where we had four players in the box like statues while the Forest plaer tee'd himself up for a shot. Given was a soft shite when it came to bollocking the defence, Harper is a poor mans soft shite. The only redeeming thing is that he is in a bunch of players who have no voice between them. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Incognito Posted October 17, 2009 Share Posted October 17, 2009 Im pretty sure I saw Blef in the crowd on the telly. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colocho Posted October 17, 2009 Share Posted October 17, 2009 Would have had Enrique in the middle with Simpson or Raylor at LB. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
QBG Posted October 18, 2009 Share Posted October 18, 2009 We were shit today, all that needs to be said. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mozy Posted October 18, 2009 Share Posted October 18, 2009 is anyone goig to be honest enough to say that we are not better without butt in the middle ? get the scapegoating out the way (seen it with batty years ago when he had f*** all in the way of options) at least butt will take responsibility,something palpably lacking smith or nolan. i didn't even notice guthrie was playing till the hour mark. Butt is just another legless codger who can't keep up with the game. Just because the rest are bad doesn't mean he's the answer. One of the few successes this season has been Butt's replacement, Smith. partly my point. he's not the answer but did he deserve the lickings of a dog he got and why aren't smith,nolan and others getting similar for worse performances ? Smith has been better imo. Guthrie and Nolan, I agree have been s**** but I've said that previously. smith at the start of the season fair enough....last 5 or 6 games ? nah! Now you are making Smith the scapegoat. He's doing his job in front of the back four, it's the midfieders who don't dovetail with the attack that are failing. no i'm saying he's been as bad as butt and nolan recently and probably overated at the start of the season/ He was on a booking from the first minute, which completely stifles his nature to be aggressive and control the game for us. Smith, Enrique and R Taylor were the only ones who played well today really. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ronaldo Posted October 18, 2009 Share Posted October 18, 2009 People still questioning Harper? f*** sake man, what does the lad have to do for a bit of credit. How about open his mouth when his defence and midfield 4 stand off the oppostion whenever they cross the halfway line. There was one point where we had four players in the box like statues while the Forest plaer tee'd himself up for a shot. Given was a soft s**** when it came to bollocking the defence, Harper is a poor mans soft s****. The only redeeming thing is that he is in a bunch of players who have no voice between them. the defence wasn't really the problem today. Coloccini and Taylor are our best defenders and we missed them. That said, when we played the ball along the floor and got forward gradually, they no longer looked a threat. The lesson to be learnt, defend from the front. Camping in our own half and trying to play long ball nonsense very nearly cost us against Sheff Wed in August, yet we've done it several times since, unbelievable. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Danh1 Posted October 18, 2009 Share Posted October 18, 2009 Im pretty sure I saw Blef in the crowd on the telly. She was stood 3 seats from me. What a fucking shite game, won't even go into depth as it's not worth it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pav Posted October 18, 2009 Share Posted October 18, 2009 Forest fans were a joke imo, about as small time as it gets. They celebrated at half time as if they'd just won a cup, nevermind the match itself. As for the match everything has already been said, it was shite. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ElDiablo Posted October 18, 2009 Share Posted October 18, 2009 It was ridiculous how long it took some of our fans to realise the goal had been disallowed, I always give the lino a quick glance just to make sure. The Forest lot were pretty pathetic though, came up with some truly chants. "1-0 to the famous team" Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alberto2005 Posted October 18, 2009 Share Posted October 18, 2009 3 shit results and we're still 4 points clear of 3rd, I honestly can't see us failing to come in the top 2. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thomson Mouse Posted October 18, 2009 Share Posted October 18, 2009 ROBBED BLIND OF A POINT! Its been said time and time again but the level of refereeing in this league is an utter f***ing disgrace. Lets face it Skirgey boy we just ain't even good enough for this league at present. We need change and fast. Knee and jerk somewhere in that. Hardly, we've been found out in the last 3 games unless you're watching something totally different? No, I've been watching the same as you, but I know we won't be relegated. Quite amusing someone thinks we will be. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Heneage Posted October 18, 2009 Share Posted October 18, 2009 We're hitting the same rough patch our rivals have hit, or are you forgetting the fact Boro lost at home and West Brom got beat at home by Palace. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ohmelads Posted October 18, 2009 Share Posted October 18, 2009 the defence wasn't really the problem today. Coloccini and Taylor are our best defenders and we missed them. That said, when we played the ball along the floor and got forward gradually, they no longer looked a threat. The lesson to be learnt, defend from the front. Camping in our own half and trying to play long ball nonsense very nearly cost us against Sheff Wed in August, yet we've done it several times since, unbelievable. Playing further up the pitch definitely helped in the second half. We were way too deep in the first and that's why our midfield was overrun. We need to be more positive against this teams, they're not very good and they showed that in the second half when we pressed them high up the pitch. By camping in our own half we had to play the ball out in tight spaces in our own half where there is no room for error - it's no surprise people just launch it long instead. Zurab and Simpson should have held their line a lot higher and they should have been screaming at the midfielders to push up and get off their toes. Taylor and Coloccini coming in will certainly help. This wasn't the whole story though. We need a winger in on loan and badly. There's no point playing your game around a target man if you can't get balls into the box from out wide. None of our midfielders can beat a man, they're centre-mids by trade. Teams have already figured out we have no threat out wide and if they keep a solid back four against our two strikers they will come out on top. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tooj Posted October 18, 2009 Share Posted October 18, 2009 is anyone goig to be honest enough to say that we are not better without butt in the middle ? get the scapegoating out the way (seen it with batty years ago when he had f*** all in the way of options) at least butt will take responsibility,something palpably lacking smith or nolan. i didn't even notice guthrie was playing till the hour mark. Butt is just another legless codger who can't keep up with the game. Just because the rest are bad doesn't mean he's the answer. One of the few successes this season has been Butt's replacement, Smith. partly my point. he's not the answer but did he deserve the lickings of a dog he got and why aren't smith,nolan and others getting similar for worse performances ? Smith has been better imo. Guthrie and Nolan, I agree have been s**** but I've said that previously. smith at the start of the season fair enough....last 5 or 6 games ? nah! Now you are making Smith the scapegoat. He's doing his job in front of the back four, it's the midfieders who don't dovetail with the attack that are failing. no i'm saying he's been as bad as butt and nolan recently and probably overated at the start of the season/ Agree with that madras. Been saying it since the start of the season, he's a liability with his bookings, tends to win the ball a lot of the time when he has given it away initially (yet the masses don't seem to recognise this) and when he wins the ball back he doesn't know what to do with it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tooj Posted October 18, 2009 Share Posted October 18, 2009 Harper, Simpson and possibly Nolan are the only ones I don't question after this game. It's the attack not the back line that is the problem. Nolan was abysmal. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tooj Posted October 18, 2009 Share Posted October 18, 2009 That's a bit harsh on Smith. He wasn't great today but he was still better than Nolan and Guthrie combined. See how Smith does being played out of position like Guthrie has been. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRon Posted October 18, 2009 Share Posted October 18, 2009 That's a bit harsh on Smith. He wasn't great today but he was still better than Nolan and Guthrie combined. See how Smith does being played out of position like Guthrie has been. Smith has been played out of position, he's a forward by trade, albeit a bad one. I think this focus on Smith is misplaced, he's not a great midfielder and no one is pretending that he is,but the problems are in other areas of the pitch and that's where we are struggling imo. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thespence Posted October 18, 2009 Share Posted October 18, 2009 People still questioning Harper? f*** sake man, what does the lad have to do for a bit of credit. How about open his mouth when his defence and midfield 4 stand off the oppostion whenever they cross the halfway line. There was one point where we had four players in the box like statues while the Forest plaer tee'd himself up for a shot. Given was a soft s**** when it came to bollocking the defence, Harper is a poor mans soft s****. The only redeeming thing is that he is in a bunch of players who have no voice between them. the defence wasn't really the problem today. Coloccini and Taylor are our best defenders and we missed them. That said, when we played the ball along the floor and got forward gradually, they no longer looked a threat. The lesson to be learnt, defend from the front. Camping in our own half and trying to play long ball nonsense very nearly cost us against Sheff Wed in August, yet we've done it several times since, unbelievable. Spot on. I thought Harper did well. The long balls are just whacks up front & were meat & drink to the pub doorman who was playing CB for Nottingham Forest. If the defence & midfield are going for the long ball I wish they would at least look & try play a direct ball into the strikers. Danny Simpson playing CB is mental. Guthrie playing out on the right just does not cut it for me & should only be used as last resort. Fat Kev if he doesn't score he brings fuck all to the table. I thought Jonas looked lively when came on. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Keefaz Posted October 18, 2009 Share Posted October 18, 2009 While I agree with everything--players out of position, not using target men effectively, etc.--the truth is that if we had played the entire match with the same endeavour and passing game we showed in the second half, we would've won that match. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
joeyt Posted October 18, 2009 Share Posted October 18, 2009 Haven't read the thread, so sorry if some of my thoughts have been repeated previously. Firstly, I had no idea how close The City Ground, Meadow Lane and Trent Bridge were to each other. We arrive quite early so we walked around Trent Bridge and had a lookk at the Trent river, which both looked pretty good. The match felt like we were in the Premiership again, facing the likes of Wigan; they would have all the possesion and chances, we'd have the occasional chance and then they'd score at an annoying time (I know nearly every time the opposition score, it's annoying), we would then dominate the second half but never reaqlly create anything. Thought the referee was pretty poor and I haven't seen the penalty or offside decisions yet, so I an't really comment on that. Strangely, I think our offside goal was the only offside in the game. Players wise, I thought Enrique was excellent and their right winger didn't get past him all evening. Harewood was poor, so waas Lovenkrands. Jonas needs to stop shooting, Simpson isn't a centre back. Zurab I thought looked composed though, despite the yellow card Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest dover Posted October 18, 2009 Share Posted October 18, 2009 I think we have to lay some blame at Hughtons door for yesterdays defeat, with 2 central defenders missing we should have played 4-5-1, that way Guthrie could have played more centrally and we give more protection to the back four. Jonas and nolan upporting the lone striker on counter attacks. The 4-4-2 sytem yesterday meant playing guthrie, simpson, lovenkrands, and taylor out of position and it showed. He took too long to bring ranger on, and it should have been for carrol not harewood. We finished the game with an unproven central defence and unproven strike team, a makeshift right back and a make shift right wing, just so we cold play 4-4-2. Stupid decisions. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thespence Posted October 18, 2009 Share Posted October 18, 2009 While I agree with everything--players out of position, not using target men effectively, etc.--the truth is that if we had played the entire match with the same endeavour and passing game we showed in the second half, we would've won that match. As the former England manager who played the much talked about England all Goalkeeping side of 2009 you know playing players out of position is not going to work long term. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tooj Posted October 18, 2009 Share Posted October 18, 2009 That's a bit harsh on Smith. He wasn't great today but he was still better than Nolan and Guthrie combined. See how Smith does being played out of position like Guthrie has been. Smith has been played out of position, he's a forward by trade, albeit a bad one. I think this focus on Smith is misplaced, he's not a great midfielder and no one is pretending that he is,but the problems are in other areas of the pitch and that's where we are struggling imo. He hasn't been a forward since his days at Man Utd though. I'd say he's a central midfielder now. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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