TaylorJ_01 Posted August 4, 2010 Share Posted August 4, 2010 Why should the fans suffer when it wasn't their fault? Horrible mismanagement. I agree that the blame has to be pinned on someone though, especially in the 'current climate'. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stifler Posted August 4, 2010 Share Posted August 4, 2010 Would be a shame for the fans, but Revenue and Customs is hell bent on bringing a bigger name then Chester down to set an example. And rightly so in this case. Not sure why the 'public purse' should suffer. nor am I, but you do have to feel for the supporters, and wonder if their is still away that they can reach an agreement to keep the club afloat. I assume with the season only 2 days away from tomorrow it would be too late to "promote" another team, unless they delayed the KO of the first game to sometime during the season and started off from the following week? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdckelly Posted August 4, 2010 Share Posted August 4, 2010 Why should the fans suffer when it wasn't their fault? Horrible mismanagement. I agree that the blame has to be pinned on someone though, especially in the 'current climate'. why should the taxman suffer when in cases like this the taxman is normally at the back of the que while all players and other clubs get paid in full Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Liam Liam Liam O Posted August 4, 2010 Share Posted August 4, 2010 Why should the fans suffer when it wasn't their fault? Horrible mismanagement. I agree that the blame has to be pinned on someone though, especially in the 'current climate'. Loads of people suffer whenever this happens, football isn't a special case. All the staff at Garlands and Freedom Direct in this region who lost their jobs weren't to blame either. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TaylorJ_01 Posted August 4, 2010 Share Posted August 4, 2010 Why should the fans suffer when it wasn't their fault? Horrible mismanagement. I agree that the blame has to be pinned on someone though, especially in the 'current climate'. why should the taxman suffer when in cases like this the taxman is normally at the back of the que while all players and other clubs get paid in full I should really have said 'it's unfair that the fans are suffering when in reality it isn't at all their fault'. I totally agree with you Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
midds Posted August 4, 2010 Share Posted August 4, 2010 Would be a shame for the fans, but Revenue and Customs is hell bent on bringing a bigger name then Chester down to set an example. And rightly so in this case. Not sure why the 'public purse' should suffer. Can't see the current government being particularly sympathetic atm. Got to take the rough with the smooth. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdckelly Posted August 4, 2010 Share Posted August 4, 2010 i feel for their fans i really do my local club was wound up a few months ago by the taxmen here but enough is enough let it die Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Liam Liam Liam O Posted August 4, 2010 Share Posted August 4, 2010 Would be a shame for the fans, but Revenue and Customs is hell bent on bringing a bigger name then Chester down to set an example. And rightly so in this case. Not sure why the 'public purse' should suffer. Can't see the current government being particularly sympathetic atm. Got to take the rough with the smooth. Nor should they be when protecting what they believe is potentially a £37m debt. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TaylorJ_01 Posted August 4, 2010 Share Posted August 4, 2010 If they get that money back they can maybe afford to sweep my local pitch. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ronaldo Posted August 4, 2010 Share Posted August 4, 2010 You've got to love this country, 2 days before the season starts, man. Just fucking liquidate the pricks. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TaylorJ_01 Posted August 4, 2010 Share Posted August 4, 2010 You've got to love this country, 2 days before the season starts, man. Just f***ing liquidate the pricks. You'd be a great Bond villain. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
midds Posted August 4, 2010 Share Posted August 4, 2010 Would be a shame for the fans, but Revenue and Customs is hell bent on bringing a bigger name then Chester down to set an example. And rightly so in this case. Not sure why the 'public purse' should suffer. Can't see the current government being particularly sympathetic atm. Got to take the rough with the smooth. Nor should they be when protecting what they believe is potentially a £37m debt. Quite agree. We're not talking about buttons and if every other club has coughed up then they should be made to as well. Fair's fair, they owe it so they should pay it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stifler Posted August 4, 2010 Share Posted August 4, 2010 If they are wound up then they will get fuck all, where as if they wern't then they would get a part of what they are owed. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Posted August 4, 2010 Share Posted August 4, 2010 How many clubs have actually gone out of business (ie ceased to exist) because of debts etc? Newcastle Bluestar IIRC, but who else? Always seems to come to nothing. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gash Posted August 4, 2010 Share Posted August 4, 2010 Scottish club? Can't remember who though, high profile one(well relative to Scotland) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pilko Posted August 4, 2010 Share Posted August 4, 2010 Gretna. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest malandro Posted August 4, 2010 Share Posted August 4, 2010 Why should the fans suffer when it wasn't their fault? Horrible mismanagement. I agree that the blame has to be pinned on someone though, especially in the 'current climate'. Loads of people suffer whenever this happens, football isn't a special case. All the staff at Garlands and Freedom Direct in this region who lost their jobs weren't to blame either. Yes it is. Neither of the above have the social or cultural significance of a football club. It’s hard to say if HMRC have decided to make an example out of Pompy, or if Portsmouth have been taking the piss. I’d guess it’s the later but the supporters aren’t to blame and the community needs its football club. If it ceases to exist the people who have fucked up won’t be the ones who pay the price. Even if the ruling goes against Portsmouth I doubt they’ll be liquidated, it just sounds like a threat intended to put pressure on the court. The best result for football would be for the HMRC to win their case and a criminal investigation by the police. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaliMag Posted August 4, 2010 Share Posted August 4, 2010 If Pompey was liquidated they'd end up reforming (like the Dons) and have to start over again as FC Pompey or something. It would still suck for their supporters; being down in the lower leagues for ages, all the uncertainty, Soton gloating, etc. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
MKSC Posted August 4, 2010 Share Posted August 4, 2010 Portsmouth can still have a football club. They'll just have one that reforms somewhere in the non-league pyramid. There is no reason why they should be let off just because they are a football club. At least they'll get to see a few seasons of consecutive winning as with the fanbase they have they'll be able to afford the best players at that level just like AFC Norbiton's ground stealers have done. Chester, Gretna, Scarborough, Clydebank. They have all been wound up. It also happened to many clubs years ago. Aldershot being the last for a while in 1992. Why should Pompey be let off. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest malandro Posted August 4, 2010 Share Posted August 4, 2010 How many clubs have actually gone out of business (ie ceased to exist) because of debts etc? Newcastle Bluestar IIRC, but who else? Always seems to come to nothing. Not many. Imagine the fall out in Newcastle if NUFC were liquidated. There would be absolute hell on. The power brokers wouldn’t want to be on the receiving end of the wrath that would ensue – nobody wants to be the person who killed a football club. In many ways this is why the clubs have lost all sense of reality and I think the HMRC’s action against Portsmouth is the first significant step in getting them back in check. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest malandro Posted August 4, 2010 Share Posted August 4, 2010 Portsmouth can still have a football club. They'll just have one that reforms somewhere in the non-league pyramid. There is no reason why they should be let off just because they are a football club. At least they'll get to see a few seasons of consecutive winning as with the fanbase they have they'll be able to afford the best players at that level just like AFC Norbiton's ground stealers have done. Chester, Gretna, Scarborough, Clydebank. They have all been wound up. It also happened to many clubs years ago. Aldershot being the last for a while in 1992. Why should Pompey be let off. Be careful what you wish for, it could be your club next. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaliMag Posted August 4, 2010 Share Posted August 4, 2010 MKSC: Pompey is different than all of those clubs. Pompey is actually relevant. Not to sound like Crumpy but, South of London there are only two real teams: Soton and Pompey. The rest are just WC England fans and watchers of the egg chaser game. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Exiled in Texas Posted August 4, 2010 Share Posted August 4, 2010 I love the argument.....it's not fair on the fans....blah blah blah What's not fair is that the rest of the country has to make up the tax shortfall because these twunts decided to try and cheat the tax man and not pay what they owe. Sure it's only about 75p per person in the UK.....but imagine if there was some guy in the street collecting money to pay Pompeys tax bill. Would you give a quid? Or 5 quid if you've wife/kids etc. Now see if you care about their fans. Let them go bankrupt.....they wouldn't help me if the tax man came after me. We all have to exercise fiscal responsibility in our personal lives....when not them. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
MKSC Posted August 4, 2010 Share Posted August 4, 2010 MKSC: Pompey is different than all of those clubs. Pompey is actually relevant. Not to sound like Crumpy but, South of London there are only two real teams: Soton and Pompey. The rest are just WC England fans and watchers of the egg chaser game. How are they different?? Because they have some fans. So what, the other clubs that went out of business were just as important to their own fans as portsmouth are to theirs. I am from the south and to say that there are only WC fans or Rugger Buggers south of London is just utterly ridiculous. What makes one club more important than another. If NUFC were in this position then we would all moan and cry and shout to the rafters that it is unfair and we deserve special treatment but the fact would remain we wouldn't. When my business went under did anyone make a case for me. Like fuck did they. I owed money so people got paid with what little I had and I ended up bankrupt. Maybe the Pompey fans should look at themselves and consider why they did nothing about the state their club was getting in. Oh, that's right they were all too happy to turn a blind eye to the obvious while they were winning the FA Cup. Once they start losing they ask where did all the money go? Err, on signing those players you couldn't afford on your income, dumbass! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
James Posted August 4, 2010 Share Posted August 4, 2010 I love the argument.....it's not fair on the fans....blah blah blah What's not fair is that the rest of the country has to make up the tax shortfall because these twunts decided to try and cheat the tax man and not pay what they owe. Sure it's only about 75p per person in the UK.....but imagine if there was some guy in the street collecting money to pay Pompeys tax bill. Would you give a quid? Or 5 quid if you've wife/kids etc. Now see if you care about their fans. Let them go bankrupt.....they wouldn't help me if the tax man came after me. We all have to exercise fiscal responsibility in our personal lives....when not them. Long term prison sentences for the guilty directors/chairmen would be a more appropriate and fair course of action. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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