The old Chris Hughton discussion thread

[Tooj]

Hughton needs to address the lack of movement up front. After we signed Routledge, he and Lovenkrands would constantly open defences up with the former playing through balls for the latter, we scored a lot of goals like that after January. Whatever you think of Lovenkrands, we desperately miss his movement because Carroll and Nolan have zero. Ben Arfa constantly picked the ball up waiting for a runner to go only to see the front pair standing still.

 

Spot on. I was saying pretty much the same in the pub last night.

[Neil]

Lovenkrands has a bit of pace and movement about him. No, I wouldn't say he's good enough to be a consistently effective player in this league, but give him a chance, surely? Baffling that he hasn't been given one.

[steve_69]

Personally, I don't think he's good enough for this league but i'm pretty sure he'd be more effective than Nolan

[Gallowgate Toon]

Am I the only person who thought the subs actually worked yesterday?

 

Jonas was a massive improvement on Ben Arfa who was poor.

 

Tiote played well, but the shift to a straight (and more attacking 442) saw us play better football in attacking areas when we were trying to win the game.

 

Tiote and Ben Arfa would not have stopped the individual mistakes that led to their goals.

 

The change in system saw us at least create a few scoring chances.

 

I think Hughton's getting stick because he took off the new signings, regardless of whether it helped when they went off (which it did - certainly in Ben Arfa's case).

 

Why was Bafra poor exactly? He's not going to score wondergoals every game. [/wink] He is the only player we have who can give good passes into the box and he did that, just that there wa nobody there except Carroll marked by about 500 Jabba's.

 

He's obviously not going to be amazing every game, and I'm not suggesting that. I just thought he was poor. He rarely attempted to run at anyone, and there was 4 or or 5 occassions where Barton was trying to tell him to go past Carroll from flick ons and he just stood there. Obviously, there is a language barrier there to break down, but I just thought he was poor, and practically marked out of the game.

Second half, i'll agree with you although it was only 15 minutes old. First half though he was playing well, did some nice runs and put in good crosses and was effective in possession of the ball.

[TRon]

Am I the only person who thought the subs actually worked yesterday?

 

Jonas was a massive improvement on Ben Arfa who was poor.

 

Tiote played well, but the shift to a straight (and more attacking 442) saw us play better football in attacking areas when we were trying to win the game.

 

Tiote and Ben Arfa would not have stopped the individual mistakes that led to their goals.

 

The change in system saw us at least create a few scoring chances.

 

I think Hughton's getting stick because he took off the new signings, regardless of whether it helped when they went off (which it did - certainly in Ben Arfa's case).

 

Why was Bafra poor exactly? He's not going to score wondergoals every game. [/wink] He is the only player we have who can give good passes into the box and he did that, just that there wa nobody there except Carroll marked by about 500 Jabba's.

 

He's obviously not going to be amazing every game, and I'm not suggesting that. I just thought he was poor. He rarely attempted to run at anyone, and there was 4 or or 5 occassions where Barton was trying to tell him to go past Carroll from flick ons and he just stood there. Obviously, there is a language barrier there to break down, but I just thought he was poor, and practically marked out of the game.

 

Barton might have tried taking his own advice and ran past Carroll himself a few times. The problem with our midfielders is they all want to stroll around in front of the central defenders and watch the game as spectators. I wonder how Tim Cahill gest so many goals? Or Gerrard?

[alpal78]

Am I the only person who thought the subs actually worked yesterday?

 

Jonas was a massive improvement on Ben Arfa who was poor.

 

Tiote played well, but the shift to a straight (and more attacking 442) saw us play better football in attacking areas when we were trying to win the game.

 

Tiote and Ben Arfa would not have stopped the individual mistakes that led to their goals.

 

The change in system saw us at least create a few scoring chances.

 

I think Hughton's getting stick because he took off the new signings, regardless of whether it helped when they went off (which it did - certainly in Ben Arfa's case).

 

Why was Bafra poor exactly? He's not going to score wondergoals every game. [/wink] He is the only player we have who can give good passes into the box and he did that, just that there wa nobody there except Carroll marked by about 500 Jabba's.

 

He's obviously not going to be amazing every game, and I'm not suggesting that. I just thought he was poor. He rarely attempted to run at anyone, and there was 4 or or 5 occassions where Barton was trying to tell him to go past Carroll from flick ons and he just stood there. Obviously, there is a language barrier there to break down, but I just thought he was poor, and practically marked out of the game.

 

If that is you summary then maybe we were watching different games because apart from scoring another screamer, he played he same way in the first half as he did against Everton. Ya second half he was less effective but he is playing as a left winger...it should be Nolan's role to play off Carroll or to get Carroll's flicks. If he is gonna be labelled poor because he didn't cut in from the left dribbling a few players pass to Carrol (who wasn't moving into space) and then run in to get the return balls, then God help him.

[JH]

Hughton needs to address the lack of movement up front. After we signed Routledge, he and Lovenkrands would constantly open defences up with the former playing through balls for the latter, we scored a lot of goals like that after January. Whatever you think of Lovenkrands, we desperately miss his movement because Carroll and Nolan have zero. Ben Arfa constantly picked the ball up waiting for a runner to go only to see the front pair standing still.

 

[Gallowgate Toon]

CHRIS HUGHTON has explained why he took off two his star performers in the 2-1 defeat against Stoke City in Hatem Ben Arfa and Cheik Tiote.

 

Both his summer signings were shining against the Potters, with Ben Arfa full of running and Tiote putting in another solid and tidy display against Tony Pulis’ side.

 

Hughton threw on Jonas Gutierrez on 62 minutes for the Frenchman, with United leading 1-0 as he looked to help find that second goal.

 

And when Stoke pegged themselves back through Kenwyne Jones five minutes later, Tiote was sacrificed for Shola Ameobi as Kevin Nolan dropped back into midfield.

 

Hughton told the Chronicle: “I was looking to win the game.

 

“With Jonas, he can be more direct in the way he runs at the ball, and for Tiote because he’s very much a defensive midfield player.

 

“What I had left on the pitch were two strikers in Andy Carroll and Shola, and a midfield player in Kevin Nolan, that are all capable of scoring goals.

 

“I wanted to leave goalscorers on the pitch.

 

 

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[JH]

Am I the only person who thought the subs actually worked yesterday?

 

Jonas was a massive improvement on Ben Arfa who was poor.

 

Tiote played well, but the shift to a straight (and more attacking 442) saw us play better football in attacking areas when we were trying to win the game.

 

Tiote and Ben Arfa would not have stopped the individual mistakes that led to their goals.

 

The change in system saw us at least create a few scoring chances.

 

I think Hughton's getting stick because he took off the new signings, regardless of whether it helped when they went off (which it did - certainly in Ben Arfa's case).

 

We took off our two best midfielders and then threw away the game - regardless of individual mistakes, how can that be praised?

[Neil]

CHRIS HUGHTON has explained why he took off two his star performers in the 2-1 defeat against Stoke City in Hatem Ben Arfa and Cheik Tiote.

 

Both his summer signings were shining against the Potters, with Ben Arfa full of running and Tiote putting in another solid and tidy display against Tony Pulis’ side.

 

Hughton threw on Jonas Gutierrez on 62 minutes for the Frenchman, with United leading 1-0 as he looked to help find that second goal.

 

And when Stoke pegged themselves back through Kenwyne Jones five minutes later, Tiote was sacrificed for Shola Ameobi as Kevin Nolan dropped back into midfield.

 

Hughton told the Chronicle: “I was looking to win the game.

 

“With Jonas, he can be more direct in the way he runs at the ball, and for Tiote because he’s very much a defensive midfield player.

 

“What I had left on the pitch were two strikers in Andy Carroll and Shola, and a midfield player in Kevin Nolan, that are all capable of scoring goals.

 

“I wanted to leave goalscorers on the pitch.

 

 

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Hmm. I think privately he'll know he fucked up.

[Mick]

CHRIS HUGHTON has explained why he took off two his star performers in the 2-1 defeat against Stoke City in Hatem Ben Arfa and Cheik Tiote.

 

Both his summer signings were shining against the Potters, with Ben Arfa full of running and Tiote putting in another solid and tidy display against Tony Pulis side.

 

Hughton threw on Jonas Gutierrez on 62 minutes for the Frenchman, with United leading 1-0 as he looked to help find that second goal.

 

And when Stoke pegged themselves back through Kenwyne Jones five minutes later, Tiote was sacrificed for Shola Ameobi as Kevin Nolan dropped back into midfield.

 

Hughton told the Chronicle: I was looking to win the game.

 

With Jonas, he can be more direct in the way he runs at the ball, and for Tiote because hes very much a defensive midfield player.

 

What I had left on the pitch were two strikers in Andy Carroll and Shola, and a midfield player in Kevin Nolan, that are all capable of scoring goals.

 

I wanted to leave goalscorers on the pitch.

 

 

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That's a crock of shit, he took off the goal scorer from our previous league game to leave on a midfielder/forward who hasn't scored from open play since the Villa game.

[TaylorJ_01]

HBA looked pretty good I thought considering how the game was played. A few good runs and carved some openings.

[Weezertron]

It's a shame that Nolan is such a thorn in the side when it comes to putting out our best squad. You can't blame him really. We bought him when it should have been clear from scouting that he had been shite for bolton for a while.

 

Hughton must realise that there is a better player available for every position that Nolan can play. Play Arfa/Loven instead of Nolan, then you lose Barton or Tiote to Nolan in midfield. It's a conundrum, like.

 

Can't see it being addressed at all.

[Dokko]

Will say and do anything to protect Kevin Prince Nolan.

 

 

[Gallowgate Toon]

Fair enough, Nolan has a rep for nabbing goals but Wayne Routledge doesn't, he never looks like scoring, so why not take him off instead? It just doesn't make sense, unless Hughton's doing this on purpose, using man management to keep Ben Arfa's feet firmly on the ground.

[alpal78]

CHRIS HUGHTON has explained why he took off two his star performers in the 2-1 defeat against Stoke City in Hatem Ben Arfa and Cheik Tiote.

 

Both his summer signings were shining against the Potters, with Ben Arfa full of running and Tiote putting in another solid and tidy display against Tony Pulis’ side.

 

Hughton threw on Jonas Gutierrez on 62 minutes for the Frenchman, with United leading 1-0 as he looked to help find that second goal.

 

And when Stoke pegged themselves back through Kenwyne Jones five minutes later, Tiote was sacrificed for Shola Ameobi as Kevin Nolan dropped back into midfield.

 

Hughton told the Chronicle: “I was looking to win the game.

 

“With Jonas, he can be more direct in the way he runs at the ball, and for Tiote because he’s very much a defensive midfield player.

 

“What I had left on the pitch were two strikers in Andy Carroll and Shola, and a midfield player in Kevin Nolan, that are all capable of scoring goals.

 

“I wanted to leave goalscorers on the pitch.

 

 

Read More http://www.chroniclelive.co.uk/newcastle-united/nufc-news/2010/09/27/nufc-boss-hughton-defends-tactical-switch-72703-27349389/#ixzz10kY8em5z

 

If that is his comments/justifications...then he has clearly not learnt his lessons. Yes Chris it is good to have goal scorers on the pitch but could you not see that HBA in the middle (replacing the knackered Nolan) with Jonas on the left would have been more of a threat than having two immobile strikers 'supported' by the lumbering Nolan? 

[ponsaelius]

Having goalscorers on the pitch is a pretty simplistic and misguided way of looking at things, tactically. I hope there was more of a thought process behind it than that.

[macphisto]

Is this thread not evidence enough why Hughton should never have got the job in the first place? A few games into the season and we already have people questioning the managers tactics. I also find it amazing that people are willing to put up with a 52 year old  manager learning the game. For a club of our size we should never have him in charge, home results this season would also indicate we haven't improved at all from 2 seasons ago.

 

Worrying times when we almost have a fully fit squad.

[Wullie]

Is this thread not evidence enough why Hughton should never have got the job in the first place? A few games into the season and we already have people questioning the managers tactics. I also find it amazing that people are willing to put up with a 52 year old manager learning the game. For a club of our size we should never have him in charge, home results this season would also indicate we haven't improved at all from 2 seasons ago.

 

Worrying times when we almost have a fully fit squad.

 

Doubt there's a club in England where that's not happening tbh. Nature of the beast.

 

The rest of your post is a load of nonsense, he got us promoted with 100+ points. Stuff about "club of our size" is just arrogance based on nothing. He earned the job unlike a lot of Premier League managers who get given them as soon as they've hung their boots up because of what their name is or who they played for.

[ChrisJbarnes]

CHRIS HUGHTON has explained why he took off two his star performers in the 2-1 defeat against Stoke City in Hatem Ben Arfa and Cheik Tiote.

 

Both his summer signings were shining against the Potters, with Ben Arfa full of running and Tiote putting in another solid and tidy display against Tony Pulis’ side.

 

Hughton threw on Jonas Gutierrez on 62 minutes for the Frenchman, with United leading 1-0 as he looked to help find that second goal.

 

And when Stoke pegged themselves back through Kenwyne Jones five minutes later, Tiote was sacrificed for Shola Ameobi as Kevin Nolan dropped back into midfield.

 

Hughton told the Chronicle: “I was looking to win the game.

 

“With Jonas, he can be more direct in the way he runs at the ball, and for Tiote because he’s very much a defensive midfield player.

 

“What I had left on the pitch were two strikers in Andy Carroll and Shola, and a midfield player in Kevin Nolan, that are all capable of scoring goals.

 

“I wanted to leave goalscorers on the pitch.

 

 

Read More http://www.chroniclelive.co.uk/newcastle-united/nufc-news/2010/09/27/nufc-boss-hughton-defends-tactical-switch-72703-27349389/#ixzz10kY8em5z

 

If that is his comments/justifications...then he has clearly not learnt his lessons. Yes Chris it is good to have goal scorers on the pitch but could you not see that HBA in the middle (replacing the knackered Nolan) with Jonas on the left would have been more of a threat than having two immobile strikers 'supported' by the lumbering Nolan? 

 

nolan got his chance at the end, which if he had scored would have justified Hughtons decision. unfortunately- he fluffed it.

[Parky]

Hughton needs to address the lack of movement up front. After we signed Routledge, he and Lovenkrands would constantly open defences up with the former playing through balls for the latter, we scored a lot of goals like that after January. Whatever you think of Lovenkrands, we desperately miss his movement because Carroll and Nolan have zero. Ben Arfa constantly picked the ball up waiting for a runner to go only to see the front pair standing still.

 

Yup.

[David28]

Is this thread not evidence enough why Hughton should never have got the job in the first place? A few games into the season and we already have people questioning the managers tactics. I also find it amazing that people are willing to put up with a 52 year old  manager learning the game. For a club of our size we should never have him in charge, home results this season would also indicate we haven't improved at all from 2 seasons ago.

 

Worrying times when we almost have a fully fit squad.

 

People would question Shearer's, Kinnear's, Sir Bobbie's, Keegan's and even Mourinho's tactics if we were losing 2-1 to Stoke City.

 

We have improved very much, we're playing decent football, only the second half performance let us down this time. Against Blackpool, converting chances let us down.

 

Give Hughton time, he's done so much for this club, he deserves credit and he deserves time to get things right in the Premier League like he did in the Championship.

[Parky]

Am I the only person who thought the subs actually worked yesterday?

 

Jonas was a massive improvement on Ben Arfa who was poor.

 

Tiote played well, but the shift to a straight (and more attacking 442) saw us play better football in attacking areas when we were trying to win the game.

 

Tiote and Ben Arfa would not have stopped the individual mistakes that led to their goals.

 

The change in system saw us at least create a few scoring chances.

 

I think Hughton's getting stick because he took off the new signings, regardless of whether it helped when they went off (which it did - certainly in Ben Arfa's case).

 

Why was Bafra poor exactly? He's not going to score wondergoals every game. [/wink] He is the only player we have who can give good passes into the box and he did that, just that there wa nobody there except Carroll marked by about 500 Jabba's.

 

He's obviously not going to be amazing every game, and I'm not suggesting that. I just thought he was poor. He rarely attempted to run at anyone, and there was 4 or or 5 occassions where Barton was trying to tell him to go past Carroll from flick ons and he just stood there. Obviously, there is a language barrier there to break down, but I just thought he was poor, and practically marked out of the game.

 

Right see what you're getting at. The real criminal imo was Routledge, just look at the failed passes stats. Failed to find a man at an alarmingly high rate. The opp half is half red on Routledges side where he misses passes/crosses.

[Howaythelads]

The problem is Carroll, Nolan, Routledge and Perch are not PL quality.

[macphisto]

Is this thread not evidence enough why Hughton should never have got the job in the first place? A few games into the season and we already have people questioning the managers tactics. I also find it amazing that people are willing to put up with a 52 year old  manager learning the game. For a club of our size we should never have him in charge, home results this season would also indicate we haven't improved at all from 2 seasons ago.

 

Worrying times when we almost have a fully fit squad.

 

Doubt there's a club in England where that's not happening tbh. Nature of the beast.

 

The rest of your post is a load of nonsense, he got us promoted with 100+ points. Stuff about "club of our size" is just arrogance based on nothing. He earned the job unlike a lot of Premier League managers who get given them as soon as they've hung their boots up because of what their name is or who they played for.

 

Fans of other clubs are not questioning their manager like people are in this thread.  I'm also sick of all this earnt the job rubbish, are we the only club in England where people earn a job? It was the same with Roeder, there's nothing in Hughton's background to suggest he's suited to managing a club like Newcastle. For once can we not appoint a manager with a proven track record?

 

Getting promotion means nothing to me, not with the squad he had. That's not with the benefit of hingsight either as I just didn't rate the Championship. Look at the managers who have got other clubs promoted last season and in the past, not many I rate.

 

Maybe I am arrogant but I do believe a club with the 3rd highest attendance should have a manager better than Hughton, that's what I base my opinion on.

 

Bit of an aside but a few weeks ago there was a programme about Newcastle on BBC 4, which looked at the city over the last 100 years and you could see on there how central football is to the city unlike a lot of other places. I've moved away from the Newcastle and that programme reinforced a lot of what I've felt for a long time, it really is a special place to play, manage  and that we are abig club.