The old Chris Hughton discussion thread

[afar]

I'm sorry but I've been kind of away from all things NUFC for a week or so, what the hell is going on

[Mick]

Smells of Mackem. Bye.

 

You should have let him stay for entertainment value.

[Mick]

I'm sorry but I've been kind of away from all things NUFC for a week or so, what the hell is going on

 

Media shit stirring bastards, other than that, nothing.

[Mick]

http://www.dailystar.co.uk/columnists/view/160659/Newcastle-must-axe-Hughton-if-they-want-Prem-glory/

 

Read the comments, they show the story up for what it is, shit.

[Guest Ridzuan]

I will be damned if Chris gets the sack. Apart from some tactical mistakes he did in some of our previous matches, he has not done anything wrong that would warrant his sacking. We have been here before in the past, and it did not worked. Sometimes, I feel as if it is not the manager who needs to change, but other elements around the club. Unless someone like Mourinho or Wenger come out and declare they would like to manage us, we should give our full support to Chris. He deserves his chance.

[Cronky]

I do get irritated with this opinion that Hughton may be okay for the Championship but is out of his depth in the Premiership. Based on what, exactly?

 

 

[Begbie]

I think Hughton needs to be a bit tougher if we are going to climb the table, so I think its time to drop the nice act and start getting dirty like Ferguson, Wenger and most of the others are. He need to adress the referees having a vendetta against us, do a Wenger and say publicly that players are out to injure our players(look Barton).

 

We need to be cheating cunts, that is whats work in todays games. Nile Ranger should have went down in the penalty box, I think a lot of managers tells there players to do this(i dont like this myself, but this is how many games are won).

 

Hughton also needs to stick to the basic, get the players motivated for the games like we were in the championship and in the start of this Premier League campaign.

[Benwell Lad]

I do get irritated with this opinion that Hughton may be okay for the Championship but is out of his depth in the Premiership. Based on what, exactly?

 

 

 

Lazy malicious journalism perhaps ?

[Cronky]

I do get irritated with this opinion that Hughton may be okay for the Championship but is out of his depth in the Premiership. Based on what, exactly?

 

Lazy malicious journalism perhaps ?

 

True, but this scepticism about Hughton isn't just confined to the press. I can only go by what I read on here, but there seems to be a lot of hesitation about granting him full recognition amongst some supporters.

 

I think it stems back from the way in which he got the job. When a coach becomes caretaker, and then gets the permanent job, it's natural to wonder whether at some stage he's going to be found out. I spent the first half of last season wondering when it was all going to go belly-up.

 

Of course, it didn't. Every time there was a setback, the team just picked itself up and got going again. The same thing seems to be happening this season. This team has the capacity to shake off pressure and stay focused, and I'm sure that's what Hughton has brought to the club.

 

The other big plus is his judgement of players to bring in. Despite a small budget, we've been strengthened significantly in both transfer windows.

 

But as I say, this attitude of 'when is Hughton going to fail' still lingers. But he seems to have the ability that only the best managers have - which is to re-focus the players on the next game regardless of victory or defeat previously. You can even see it during games, when we pick up our performance in the second halves of matches.

 

There was this funny sense on Wednesday - and this is typical - that even after a 4-0 home defeat we didn't look like a beaten side. Nobody's head dropped.

[Wullie]

I do get irritated with this opinion that Hughton may be okay for the Championship but is out of his depth in the Premiership. Based on what, exactly?

 

Lazy malicious journalism perhaps ?

 

True, but this scepticism about Hughton isn't just confined to the press. I can only go by what I read on here, but there seems to be a lot of hesitation about granting him full recognition amongst some supporters.

 

I think it stems back from the way in which he got the job. When a coach becomes caretaker, and then gets the permanent job, it's natural to wonder whether at some stage he's going to be found out. I spent the first half of last season wondering when it was all going to go belly-up.

 

Of course, it didn't. Every time there was a setback, the team just picked itself up and got going again. The same thing seems to be happening this season. This team has the capacity to shake off pressure and stay focused, and I'm sure that's what Hughton has brought to the club.

 

The other big plus is his judgement of players to bring in. Despite a small budget, we've been strengthened significantly in both transfer windows.

 

But as I say, this attitude of 'when is Hughton going to fail' still lingers. But he seems to have the ability that only the best managers have - which is to re-focus the players on the next game regardless of victory or defeat previously. You can even see it during games, when we pick up our performance in the second halves of matches.

 

There was this funny sense on Wednesday - and this is typical - that even after a 4-0 home defeat we didn't look like a beaten side. Nobody's head dropped.

 

 

No-one would be saying these things if he had a fashionable name.

[Benwell Lad]

I do get irritated with this opinion that Hughton may be okay for the Championship but is out of his depth in the Premiership. Based on what, exactly?

 

Lazy malicious journalism perhaps ?

 

True, but this scepticism about Hughton isn't just confined to the press. I can only go by what I read on here, but there seems to be a lot of hesitation about granting him full recognition amongst some supporters.

 

I think it stems back from the way in which he got the job. When a coach becomes caretaker, and then gets the permanent job, it's natural to wonder whether at some stage he's going to be found out. I spent the first half of last season wondering when it was all going to go belly-up.

 

Of course, it didn't. Every time there was a setback, the team just picked itself up and got going again. The same thing seems to be happening this season. This team has the capacity to shake off pressure and stay focused, and I'm sure that's what Hughton has brought to the club.

 

The other big plus is his judgement of players to bring in. Despite a small budget, we've been strengthened significantly in both transfer windows.

 

But as I say, this attitude of 'when is Hughton going to fail' still lingers. But he seems to have the ability that only the best managers have - which is to re-focus the players on the next game regardless of victory or defeat previously. You can even see it during games, when we pick up our performance in the second halves of matches.

 

There was this funny sense on Wednesday - and this is typical - that even after a 4-0 home defeat we didn't look like a beaten side. Nobody's head dropped.

 

It was so noticeable how nobody's head dropped and the spirited way they played and all credit to Hughton for instilling that into the club.

He does have doubters on here - are they the type who are cry out for big names - we've tried that with Daglish, Gullit and FSA and it didn't work.

It seems a lot of people don't realise Hughton has been involved at the top end of pro football for nearly 40 years and he's learned a lot in that time. His spending, as you say, has been mostly excellent.

By his own admission, dealing with the press is not his favourite thing - great - rather that than a "popular" manager like Phil Brown or Holloway who start to get carried away with their own voices.

Last season his results were superb, this season despite missing many key players they've been quite impressive (with certain exceptions of course)

In a profession full of greed and dishonesty Chris Hughton brings a touch of class and dignity to the job and maybe this is what the gutter press really can't stand.

Jose Enrique - himself a model pro - spoke of the wonderful job Hughton does and how hard he works for the club - perhaps we'd be better off taking Jose's word rather than some fat lazy Newcastle hating journalist's.

Finally I reckon had Shearer stayed on and achieved what Hughton did last season and followed it up with a steady away start to this one, there would already be a fund set up to have his statue replacing Earl Grey at the top of the monument.

[WarrenBartonCentrePartin]

football focus are doing a piece on the derby, with an interview with Nolan sticking up for CH.

[Dave]

Wish one of these on SSN would just tell the truth and ask why they're even discussing it. It's completely their own doing.

[Guest firetotheworks]

Wish one of these on SSN would just tell the truth and ask why they're even discussing it. It's completely their own doing.

 

Tbf, I think those people on there now don't know where it's coming from.

[Dave]

Wish one of these on SSN would just tell the truth and ask why they're even discussing it. It's completely their own doing.

 

Tbf, I think those people on there now don't know where it's coming from.

 

'Experts'. Ten minutes of research would tell them it's completely fabricated and perpetuated by the media alone.

[Guest Roger Kint]

Paul Merson couldnt find hs own arse in 10 minutes to be fair.

[Fenham Mag]

Nolans in his interview basically said "The fans and the players are behind CH, the rumours are absolutely ridiculous".

[Dr. Nguyen Van Falk]

http://www.dailystar.co.uk/columnists/view/160659/Newcastle-must-axe-Hughton-if-they-want-Prem-glory/

 

Read the comments, they show the story up for what it is, s***.

 

"Who are their top players? Andy Carroll is the future, Kevin Nolan an inspiration and Joey Barton an outstanding midfield player if he can keep his temper. After that, I’m struggling."

 

 

[Guest elbee909]

http://www.dailystar.co.uk/columnists/view/160659/Newcastle-must-axe-Hughton-if-they-want-Prem-glory/

 

Read the comments, they show the story up for what it is, s***.

 

"Who are their top players? Andy Carroll is the future, Kevin Nolan an inspiration and Joey Barton an outstanding midfield player if he can keep his temper. After that, I’m struggling."

 

 

 

What has 'Wooly' ever said that's worthwhile?  I'm struggling.

[Dave]

We're bottom half now btw. Hughton out.

[Mick]

We're bottom half now btw. Hughton out.

 

Totally unacceptable, he's got to go.

[Pata]

Wish I wasn't too lazy to sign up there and write a comment. Can't believe that that clown gets paid for that. How can you have absolutely no clue but still get your "story" published? Any standards ffs...

What a complete and utter cock.

 

[Dave]

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-1325195/Kenny-Dalglish-Managing-Newcastle-crazy-Chris-Hughton-finding-out.html

Managing Newcastle is crazy, as Chris Hughton is now finding out

 

Last updated at 10:28 PM on 30th October 2010

 

Most of my working life has been spent in the passionate football hotbeds of Liverpool and Glasgow. But for crazy, intense, obsessive and undiluted devotion to just one club in the whole city, there is nothing to compare with Newcastle-upon-Tyne.

 

In 1998, as Newcastle United manager, I took them to the FA Cup final, made a couple of important signings (Didi Hamann, Nobby Solano) in the summer and started the following season with a couple of draws. Then I was sacked — still unbeaten!

 

Was I surprised? The answer, in all honesty, is no. Because in Newcastle-upon-Tyne you have to expect the unexpected and the gossip, rumour mill and speculation run just as feverishly when times are good as when they are bad.

 

Plenty has happened since 1998. Even the owners at Newcastle United are different. The Hall family and Freddy Shepherd have gone, Mike Ashley is in.

 

But some things never seem to change so while it would be extraordinary for a manager anywhere else to be under pressure for winning promotion and going straight into the top half of the Premier League, normal rules don’t apply at St James’ Park, as Chris Hughton is finding out ahead of the famous Tyne-Wear derby today.

 

I have to stress at this point that I absolutely loved my time at Newcastle. If any manager or coach was offered the chance to work there, I’d say in a flash: ‘Take It’. The excitement and atmosphere around the place is unique.

   

Of course, Celtic and Liverpool fans are just as passionate about their team as Newcastle’s supporters — that goes for Rangers and Everton, too, by the way — but the bond between city and club is special at St James’ Park because it is the only club in town.

 

The stadium is only a few minutes’ walk from the main shopping streets and even in the height of summer with no football match to look forward to, everyone still walks around in the black-and-white stripes, proud to be associated with their team.

 

The irony, of course, is that this constant microscope probably works against the club in many ways. Kevin Keegan felt the pressure when his great team of David Ginola and Les Ferdinand came close to winning the title in 1995-96 (he resigned the following season), so what chance did any other manager have?

 

For all this wonderful support, the flip-side is the machinations behind the scenes and in the city, which always seem to lead to Newcastle shooting themselves in the foot when things are going well. From what I’ve been hearing about Chris Hughton and his future, history might be about to repeat itself.

 

Chris stepped in at the worst time in the club’s recent history, relegated from the Premier League with everyone predicting the Toon were about to ‘do a Leeds United’ and plunge even further.

 

It seemed unlikely that two Argentinian internationals, Fabio Coloccini and Jonas Gutierrez, would fancy the slog of a 46-game season in the Championship. Kevin Nolan’s desire was questioned and as for Joey Barton, it seemed if he wasn’t injured, he was getting into trouble.

 

Somehow, the quiet dignity of Hughton suited what this brashest of clubs needed at the time. Coloccini, Gutierrez and Nolan were magnificent last season. So were Andy Carroll, goalkeeper Steve Harper and many others as Newcastle won the division by a street. Barton has flourished this season in the top flight, showing the form that once won him England recognition.

 

At any other club, Hughton would be given a big pay hike, the stability of a long-term contract and maybe a quid or two to spend on new players to help Newcastle preserve their status in the Premier League.

 

None of that seems to have happened at the moment and Chris has even lost his No2, Colin Calderwood, to Hibs. Now, if Calderwood harboured an ambition to try management again, that’s unavoidable, but if it was because Newcastle couldn’t match the SPL club’s wages, that’s a worrying sign.

 

Likewise, I don’t know Hughton’s salary but I can’t imagine it competes with other top-flight managers. By stalling on giving him a new deal, the Newcastle hierarchy have invited speculation about his future, even if that wasn’t their intention.

 

The remarkable thing is that it hasn’t impacted on the team. The new-boys have put six past Aston Villa, won at Everton and were unlucky at Manchester City. It’s incredible to think what they could achieve given stability off the field.

 

But that’s not really the way it happens at Newcastle. Personally, I can’t think of any manager they could appoint who would deliver better value for money than Hughton, whose operations on a relative shoestring have been extremely impressive.

 

That would count for a lot at 91 of the 92 League clubs. But Newcastle is different, for better or worse.

[jdckelly]

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-1325195/Kenny-Dalglish-Managing-Newcastle-crazy-Chris-Hughton-finding-out.html

Managing Newcastle is crazy, as Chris Hughton is now finding out

 

Last updated at 10:28 PM on 30th October 2010

 

Most of my working life has been spent in the passionate football hotbeds of Liverpool and Glasgow. But for crazy, intense, obsessive and undiluted devotion to just one club in the whole city, there is nothing to compare with Newcastle-upon-Tyne.

 

In 1998, as Newcastle United manager, I took them to the FA Cup final, made a couple of important signings (Didi Hamann, Nobby Solano) in the summer and started the following season with a couple of draws. Then I was sacked — still unbeaten!

 

Was I surprised? The answer, in all honesty, is no. Because in Newcastle-upon-Tyne you have to expect the unexpected and the gossip, rumour mill and speculation run just as feverishly when times are good as when they are bad.

 

Plenty has happened since 1998. Even the owners at Newcastle United are different. The Hall family and Freddy Shepherd have gone, Mike Ashley is in.

 

But some things never seem to change so while it would be extraordinary for a manager anywhere else to be under pressure for winning promotion and going straight into the top half of the Premier League, normal rules don’t apply at St James’ Park, as Chris Hughton is finding out ahead of the famous Tyne-Wear derby today.

 

I have to stress at this point that I absolutely loved my time at Newcastle. If any manager or coach was offered the chance to work there, I’d say in a flash: ‘Take It’. The excitement and atmosphere around the place is unique.

   

Of course, Celtic and Liverpool fans are just as passionate about their team as Newcastle’s supporters — that goes for Rangers and Everton, too, by the way — but the bond between city and club is special at St James’ Park because it is the only club in town.

 

The stadium is only a few minutes’ walk from the main shopping streets and even in the height of summer with no football match to look forward to, everyone still walks around in the black-and-white stripes, proud to be associated with their team.

 

The irony, of course, is that this constant microscope probably works against the club in many ways. Kevin Keegan felt the pressure when his great team of David Ginola and Les Ferdinand came close to winning the title in 1995-96 (he resigned the following season), so what chance did any other manager have?

 

For all this wonderful support, the flip-side is the machinations behind the scenes and in the city, which always seem to lead to Newcastle shooting themselves in the foot when things are going well. From what I’ve been hearing about Chris Hughton and his future, history might be about to repeat itself.

 

Chris stepped in at the worst time in the club’s recent history, relegated from the Premier League with everyone predicting the Toon were about to ‘do a Leeds United’ and plunge even further.

 

It seemed unlikely that two Argentinian internationals, Fabio Coloccini and Jonas Gutierrez, would fancy the slog of a 46-game season in the Championship. Kevin Nolan’s desire was questioned and as for Joey Barton, it seemed if he wasn’t injured, he was getting into trouble.

 

Somehow, the quiet dignity of Hughton suited what this brashest of clubs needed at the time. Coloccini, Gutierrez and Nolan were magnificent last season. So were Andy Carroll, goalkeeper Steve Harper and many others as Newcastle won the division by a street. Barton has flourished this season in the top flight, showing the form that once won him England recognition.

 

At any other club, Hughton would be given a big pay hike, the stability of a long-term contract and maybe a quid or two to spend on new players to help Newcastle preserve their status in the Premier League.

 

None of that seems to have happened at the moment and Chris has even lost his No2, Colin Calderwood, to Hibs. Now, if Calderwood harboured an ambition to try management again, that’s unavoidable, but if it was because Newcastle couldn’t match the SPL club’s wages, that’s a worrying sign.

 

Likewise, I don’t know Hughton’s salary but I can’t imagine it competes with other top-flight managers. By stalling on giving him a new deal, the Newcastle hierarchy have invited speculation about his future, even if that wasn’t their intention.

 

The remarkable thing is that it hasn’t impacted on the team. The new-boys have put six past Aston Villa, won at Everton and were unlucky at Manchester City. It’s incredible to think what they could achieve given stability off the field.

 

But that’s not really the way it happens at Newcastle. Personally, I can’t think of any manager they could appoint who would deliver better value for money than Hughton, whose operations on a relative shoestring have been extremely impressive.

 

That would count for a lot at 91 of the 92 League clubs. But Newcastle is different, for better or worse.

some assumptions in there but overall an interesting read

[Anderson]

http://www.dailystar.co.uk/columnists/view/160659/Newcastle-must-axe-Hughton-if-they-want-Prem-glory/

 

Read the comments, they show the story up for what it is, s***.

 

Signings like Mike Williamson, Check Tiote, and Hatem Ben Arfa, might go unoticed by Brian Woolnough, but not by real journalists like Louise Taylor of the Guardian.