ponsaelius Posted July 29, 2010 Share Posted July 29, 2010 Wouldn't the likes of Kakuta and Mikel Obi count as home-grown players? It seems like it wouldn't be a massive issue for them. I think so, which proves the ridiculous nature of the rule imo. More and more players are gonna be dragged across the world before they're out their teens. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
clintdempsey Posted July 29, 2010 Share Posted July 29, 2010 Wouldn't the likes of Kakuta and Mikel Obi count as home-grown players? It seems like it wouldn't be a massive issue for them. I think so, which proves the ridiculous nature of the rule imo. More and more players are gonna be dragged across the world before they're out their teens. Not Mikel Obi right? Isn't the rule that a player has to be part of an English set-up for three years or three full seasons before their 21st birthday to be counted as homegrown. Mikel Obi signed for Chelsea when he was 19 which would make this impossible since he would've been 22 at the end of the third season. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ponsaelius Posted July 29, 2010 Share Posted July 29, 2010 Wouldn't the likes of Kakuta and Mikel Obi count as home-grown players? It seems like it wouldn't be a massive issue for them. I think so, which proves the ridiculous nature of the rule imo. More and more players are gonna be dragged across the world before they're out their teens. Not Mikel Obi right? Isn't the rule that a player has to be part of an English set-up for three years or three full seasons before their 21st birthday to be counted as homegrown. Mikel Obi signed for Chelsea when he was 19 which would make this impossible since he would've been 22 at the end of the third season. Probably not then. But the point still stands, the likes of Kakuta and Borini at Chelsea will be classed as homegrown at a point. I don't see the point in the rule if that's the case, rather than enforcing clubs to develop talent it just means they stockpile players at an even younger age. Can't be good for them. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Segun Oluwaniyi Posted July 29, 2010 Share Posted July 29, 2010 Ah, you are right about Obi I think. I forgot the year or so he spent in limbo. Still, Sewelly is right. The trafficking of young South Americans, Africans, and Europeans from lesser countries into top footballing nations is quite disturbing. The whole homegrown thing is a joke, anyway. English players benefit from foreign competition, if anything. Football is a free market and overbearing authrorities shouldn't be acting to stifle it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thespence Posted July 29, 2010 Share Posted July 29, 2010 Wouldn't the likes of Kakuta and Mikel Obi count as home-grown players? No. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
clintdempsey Posted July 29, 2010 Share Posted July 29, 2010 To stop the clubs from stockpiling the most talented youth players we would have to have a standardised age for when to sign your first professional forms. Isn't this age limit different in different countries (which was why Fabregas went to Arsenal)? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
clintdempsey Posted July 29, 2010 Share Posted July 29, 2010 Wouldn't the likes of Kakuta and Mikel Obi count as home-grown players? No. Kakuta would certainly count as a homegrown player. EDIT. If he stayed in England until he turns 21 that is. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ponsaelius Posted July 29, 2010 Share Posted July 29, 2010 Wouldn't the likes of Kakuta and Mikel Obi count as home-grown players? No. Kakuta will be soon won't he? joined in 2007. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thespence Posted July 29, 2010 Share Posted July 29, 2010 Aye he will be a 'HG' , I thought he joined midway through a season but it quite clearly says "Kakuta ended 2007/8, his first season with Chelsea, as the youth team's top scorer and was voted the academy's player of the year" on http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/teams/c/chelsea/8236187.stm , so he would of done his 3 years at the end of last season. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thespence Posted July 29, 2010 Share Posted July 29, 2010 The trafficking of young South Americans, Africans, and Europeans from lesser countries into top footballing nations is quite disturbing. Tbf this country is one of the best young players can come to when you read the horror stories of Aficans & South Americans that are left in limbo after failing in trial in France, Beligum & places in Eastern Europe. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
John P Posted July 30, 2010 Share Posted July 30, 2010 Wouldn't the likes of Kakuta and Mikel Obi count as home-grown players? It seems like it wouldn't be a massive issue for them. I think so, which proves the ridiculous nature of the rule imo. More and more players are gonna be dragged across the world before they're out their teens. Not Mikel Obi right? Isn't the rule that a player has to be part of an English set-up for three years or three full seasons before their 21st birthday to be counted as homegrown. Mikel Obi signed for Chelsea when he was 19 which would make this impossible since he would've been 22 at the end of the third season. Probably not then. But the point still stands, the likes of Kakuta and Borini at Chelsea will be classed as homegrown at a point. I don't see the point in the rule if that's the case, rather than enforcing clubs to develop talent it just means they stockpile players at an even younger age. Can't be good for them. I agree, I think all this rule is going to do is make teams 'buy' or sign even more young European players. At the end of the day, we have quite a few foreign managers in the Prem now and they aren't going to care about where the player comes from, as long as they fit into the homegrown rule. Am I right in thinking that in Germany the rule is that you must have 12 'homegrown' players in the squad, 8 of whom must be eligible for the national team? Think I read it on the BBC website somewhere last week? If so, that is a much better system and one which I think will actually help their youth development and national team, whereas I think we will just be getting left behind after a few years of our 'homegrown' rule. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
joeyt Posted July 30, 2010 Share Posted July 30, 2010 John Pantsil? West Brom leading the chase apparently Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Roger Kint Posted July 30, 2010 Share Posted July 30, 2010 Havent we just bought our 3rd(Simpson/Raylor/Perch) RB? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
joeyt Posted July 30, 2010 Share Posted July 30, 2010 He's better than them though Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
junkhead Posted July 30, 2010 Share Posted July 30, 2010 He's better than them though He's fast as fook but I wouldn't say he's much better than Simpson defensively Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest johnson293 Posted July 30, 2010 Share Posted July 30, 2010 Sorry if its been mentioned, but you gotta love Harry Redknapp..... http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/teams/t/tottenham_hotspur/8870401.stm Owld saggy face saying its actually West Hams fault for unsettling their own player, not Spurs bid(s) for him???!! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest BooBoo Posted July 30, 2010 Share Posted July 30, 2010 On a similar theme, Redknapp was also whining that Spurs pre season schedule was too intense. Why then didn't he put out a reserve side v Villareal? They couldnt have done any worse than the XI he selected, mainly made up of first teamers, who got a 4-1 runaround. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdckelly Posted July 30, 2010 Share Posted July 30, 2010 Sorry if its been mentioned, but you gotta love Harry Redknapp..... http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/teams/t/tottenham_hotspur/8870401.stm Owld saggy face saying its actually West Hams fault for unsettling their own player, not Spurs bid(s) for him???!! tbf he has a point, the grandstanding from sullivan can't have gone down well with parker Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Roger Kint Posted July 30, 2010 Share Posted July 30, 2010 He's better than them though So is Maicon but as Hughton has just bought Perch its pointless suggesting more when we need attacking players desperately Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest johnson293 Posted July 30, 2010 Share Posted July 30, 2010 Sorry if its been mentioned, but you gotta love Harry Redknapp..... http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/teams/t/tottenham_hotspur/8870401.stm Owld saggy face saying its actually West Hams fault for unsettling their own player, not Spurs bid(s) for him???!! tbf he has a point, the grandstanding from sullivan can't have gone down well with parker Apologies - just realised I put this in here - it was meant to be in the 'other clubs transfers' thread. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
nufcmichael Posted July 30, 2010 Share Posted July 30, 2010 Ivan Klasnic has just been released on a free transfer by Nantes... something for NUFC? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest neesy111 Posted July 30, 2010 Share Posted July 30, 2010 Ivan Klasnic has just been released on a free transfer by Nantes... something for NUFC? hmm, not sure on this one Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oakie Doke Posted July 30, 2010 Share Posted July 30, 2010 he's Croatian. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
nufcmichael Posted July 30, 2010 Share Posted July 30, 2010 Did a decent job in Bolton last season... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
La Parka Posted July 30, 2010 Share Posted July 30, 2010 Scored 10 or so didn't he? I'd take him. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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