Pata Posted September 20, 2018 Share Posted September 20, 2018 Based on absolutely nothing factual, you would expect Messi to get more chances on freekicks than almost anyone ever before. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fugazi Posted September 20, 2018 Share Posted September 20, 2018 I'll have to watch that. Someone on Reddit asked people to explain to him as someone who isn't into football what makes him so great and I think it made the replies make more sense tbh. I said that he wasn't just the best player that I've ever seen, but the best at almost every individual attribute that I'd ever seen as well, not including penalties and aerial ability obviously, I think that pretty much sums it up for me. He's the best dribbler, passer, finisher, assister, reader of the game, free kick taker that I've ever seen. Above Maradona's dribbling, Pirlo's passing, Romario/Ronaldo's finishing, Xavi's reading of the game, and Juninho's free kicks. For me he's also my favourite to watch, but I think that's a different category and is just personal preference when you start throwing in the likes of Zidane or Iniesta because of their calm, effortless styles, or Ronaldinho with his off the wall skills. I don't disagree necessarily with your main point, but how in the earth is Messi above Juninho in freekicks? Hasn't Juninho scored like 80 freekicks in his career or something. Messi surely can't even be close, and Juninho also hit them from all kinds of distances and angles, something Messi doesn't really do. Juninho has 77 in 20 years. Messi has (I think) 42 in 14 years. So 3.85 per year vs 3 per year, but Messi's conversion rate is accelerating rapidly and he didn't get his first until 10 years ago. In that first year (08/09) he scored 1, last year he scored 7. It would take a lot to beat Juninho's record though, admittedly. Messi's goals vs Atletico, USA, Real Madrid, Paraguay sort of shows that he does score them from all distances and angles, no? PSV had a player kneeling behind the wall to prevent him going under last night Better at free-kicks than he is pens. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
triggs Posted September 20, 2018 Share Posted September 20, 2018 My favourite Messi goal is that one against Real Madrid in the CL semi in 2011. The fact that it had been such a horrible game full of diving and playacting and then the way Busquets just stops the ball dead about 40 yards out and lets Messi do the rest Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest firetotheworks Posted September 20, 2018 Share Posted September 20, 2018 Based on absolutely nothing factual, you would expect Messi to get more chances on freekicks than almost anyone ever before. That's where conversion rate comes in. Messi's is 8% over the course of his career. I couldn't find any recent stats, but I think he currently has the highest conversion rate for 17/18 and so far in 18/19 with around 20% or something. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest firetotheworks Posted September 20, 2018 Share Posted September 20, 2018 My favourite Messi goal is that one against Real Madrid in the CL semi in 2011. The fact that it had been such a horrible game full of diving and playacting and then the way Busquets just stops the ball dead about 40 yards out and lets Messi do the rest Peter Drury's only redeeming feature is his commentary for that goal. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pata Posted September 20, 2018 Share Posted September 20, 2018 Based on absolutely nothing factual, you would expect Messi to get more chances on freekicks than almost anyone ever before. That's where conversion rate comes in. Messi's is 8% over the course of his career. I couldn't find any recent stats, but I think he currently has the highest conversion rate for 17/18 and so far in 18/19 with around 20% or something. Well obviously but I don't think no one will ever know Juninho's conversion rate. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest firetotheworks Posted September 20, 2018 Share Posted September 20, 2018 Based on absolutely nothing factual, you would expect Messi to get more chances on freekicks than almost anyone ever before. That's where conversion rate comes in. Messi's is 8% over the course of his career. I couldn't find any recent stats, but I think he currently has the highest conversion rate for 17/18 and so far in 18/19 with around 20% or something. Well obviously but I don't think no one will ever know Juninho's conversion rate. Could be wrong, but the only stat I can find is just someone saying it on Reddit that Juninho's was around 25% at its best. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest firetotheworks Posted September 20, 2018 Share Posted September 20, 2018 I'll have to watch that. Someone on Reddit asked people to explain to him as someone who isn't into football what makes him so great and I think it made the replies make more sense tbh. I said that he wasn't just the best player that I've ever seen, but the best at almost every individual attribute that I'd ever seen as well, not including penalties and aerial ability obviously, I think that pretty much sums it up for me. He's the best dribbler, passer, finisher, assister, reader of the game, free kick taker that I've ever seen. Above Maradona's dribbling, Pirlo's passing, Romario/Ronaldo's finishing, Xavi's reading of the game, and Juninho's free kicks. For me he's also my favourite to watch, but I think that's a different category and is just personal preference when you start throwing in the likes of Zidane or Iniesta because of their calm, effortless styles, or Ronaldinho with his off the wall skills. I don't disagree necessarily with your main point, but how in the earth is Messi above Juninho in freekicks? Hasn't Juninho scored like 80 freekicks in his career or something. Messi surely can't even be close, and Juninho also hit them from all kinds of distances and angles, something Messi doesn't really do. Juninho has 77 in 20 years. Messi has (I think) 42 in 14 years. So 3.85 per year vs 3 per year, but Messi's conversion rate is accelerating rapidly and he didn't get his first until 10 years ago. In that first year (08/09) he scored 1, last year he scored 7. It would take a lot to beat Juninho's record though, admittedly. Messi's goals vs Atletico, USA, Real Madrid, Paraguay sort of shows that he does score them from all distances and angles, no? PSV had a player kneeling behind the wall to prevent him going under last night Better at free-kicks than he is pens. Aye, I saw that. Didn't the ref tell the player that he wasn't allowed or something? Made no difference like, just casually smacked into the top corner like it's nowt. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest firetotheworks Posted September 20, 2018 Share Posted September 20, 2018 Can we not just keep talking about Messi please? It makes not thinking about Newcastle easier. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest neesy111 Posted September 20, 2018 Share Posted September 20, 2018 Anyone on here seen him in the flesh? definitely gonna regret not watching him at his peak Yes in 2010, he was quite poor by his own standards despite scoring. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest firetotheworks Posted September 20, 2018 Share Posted September 20, 2018 Aye, saw him in 2007/08 vs Almeria. Me and my mates were all still concentrating on Ronaldinho and Henry, but obviously knew about Messi. He came on and changed the game by earning and scoring a penalty. As an aside, Yaya Toure was incredible in that match. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
joeyt Posted September 20, 2018 Share Posted September 20, 2018 Anyone on here seen him in the flesh? definitely gonna regret not watching him at his peak Yes in 2010, he was quite poor by his own standards despite scoring. Same for me saw him vs Sevilla in the Camp Nou, Messi didn't do much but got a goal and assist. Rakitic was the best player on the park (playing for Sevilla). Feel like I've achieved my goals in life having seen Federer, Shane Warne and Messi all play Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rich Posted September 20, 2018 Share Posted September 20, 2018 Anyone on here seen him in the flesh? definitely gonna regret not watching him at his peak Saw him in their 2-1 win at City in the 2015 UCL R16 and then in their 3-1 win at PSG in the QF. Didn't score in either, funnily enough Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
HawK Posted September 20, 2018 Share Posted September 20, 2018 Re: HawK It was my opinion on your post. That Messi goal is obviously great but just HBA has scored few better ones imo. IMO HBA > Messi when it comes to running with the ball but I'll probably get chopped down on that one too Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
triggs Posted September 20, 2018 Share Posted September 20, 2018 Messi at dribbling from 2008-2012 and then for a bit in 2015 was unbelievable to watch. Dribbling past people is by far my favourite skill in football Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest firetotheworks Posted September 20, 2018 Share Posted September 20, 2018 I love HBA but not for me clive. Though he is one of the only players comparatively able to dribble that way Yeah, I love HBA bits, but when it comes to any comparison whatsoever with Messi I'm basically Dinho Lad. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The College Dropout Posted September 20, 2018 Share Posted September 20, 2018 Saw Messi at home when they lost to Valencia a few years back. I bring it up often because I feel honoured. He scored a pen. Went on a brilliant last second run where he narrowly missed. Had he scored I would’ve burst into flames Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pata Posted September 20, 2018 Share Posted September 20, 2018 Possibly the worst miss of his career. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Segun Oluwaniyi Posted September 20, 2018 Share Posted September 20, 2018 Anyone on here seen him in the flesh? definitely gonna regret not watching him at his peak I saw him at the Nigeria-Argentina match in Russia. He didn't have a great match, and we shut him out pretty well, but he still managed to dispatch his one chance from openly play with ludicrous ease, and should have scored a brilliant freekick, if not for the fingertips of our young keeper. It is incredible the way that he can influence a match so sharply, just with the gravity pull he has on the defence even when not playing well, and how his quality effortlessly shines through when he is given the opportunity. If I was to do a top ten it would be basically all goals where the guy dribbles past loads of players or maybe a team move. Hit and hope strikes don’t do it for me I am definitely the opposite of this, probably because of the footballer I was growing up. All power, no skill. That goal when Yeboah just chests it and takes two touches at pace before smashing it in from distance is one of my favourite goals of all time. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dinho lad Posted September 21, 2018 Share Posted September 21, 2018 I love HBA but not for me clive. Though he is one of the only players comparatively able to dribble that way Yeah, I love HBA bits, but when it comes to any comparison whatsoever with Messi I'm basically Dinho Lad. I like HBA, I'm just more objective about him. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AyeDubbleYoo Posted September 21, 2018 Share Posted September 21, 2018 I love HBA but not for me clive. Though he is one of the only players comparatively able to dribble that way Yeah, I love HBA bits, but when it comes to any comparison whatsoever with Messi I'm basically Dinho Lad. I like HBA, I'm just more objective about him. There's no place for objectivity when it comes to Hatem. Only love. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Astroblack Posted September 21, 2018 Share Posted September 21, 2018 Saw Messi play the against the USA in 2011. He was incredible. No one could get the ball off him and when you thought he'd lose it, he'd somehow end up with it. Mascherano was also very good calmly spraying balls around the park Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
hismaimai2000 Posted September 25, 2018 Share Posted September 25, 2018 yeah! my idol who has magic legs and now football world really has no second person !!! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Budgie Smuggler Posted September 25, 2018 Share Posted September 25, 2018 Saw him play against Osasuna in 2014. Banged in a hat-trick and broke the all time club goal scoring record so worked out quite well! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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