Guest icemanblue Posted March 28, 2010 Share Posted March 28, 2010 Legal view of Newcastle United bust-up http://www.sundaysun.co.uk/news/north-east-news/2010/03/28/legal-view-on-newcastle-united-bust-up-79310-26122692/ IT has been one of the most talked about punch-ups in the country. Toon star Steven Taylor's jaw was broken in a fight at Newcastle United's training ground last Sunday. Allegedly it was caused by fellow Magpies star Andy Carroll, who certainly appears to have been in the wars as this picture shows. Carroll has not been arrested, and now North East legal expert Adam Jackson has explained why police do not pursue all alleged crimes. The senior lecturer in criminal law at Northumbria University said unless Taylor makes a complaint, there is little officers can do. “The police are the investigatory body and the Crown Prosecution Service (CPS) makes the overall decision about whether to prosecute,” he explained. “So when police are deciding whether to investigate a crime they will tend to apply the same tests the CPS would apply.” When deciding whether or not to take a case to court the CPS ask two questions. Firstly, is prosecution in the public interest, and is there a realistic prospect of conviction? But in the case of Carroll, 21, and Taylor, 24, things are slightly more complicated. “Without the complainant’s version of events it’s difficult to establish what’s happened,” Adam continued. “In order for someone to be convicted a jury would have to be convinced beyond all reasonable doubt that the defendant is guilty. “But if the victim doesn’t give any evidence and no other witnesses are prepared to come forward and make a statement, even if the police investigate and suspect Andy Carroll has caused this injury to Steven Taylor, convincing a jury beyond all reasonable doubt would be difficult. “It could have been a training ground incident or some kind of accident when they were both jumping for the ball. Without Steven Taylor’s evidence it’s effectively a non-starter. “All we know is that Steven Taylor has a broken jaw. People have claimed it was Andy Carroll, but apart from all that speculation there is just no evidence. Adam explained that there is also no charge, other than assault, police could pursue. “If this had happened in the city centre and they were having a fight while spilling out of a pub on the Bigg Market in Newcastle, the police can rely on public order offences,” said Adam. “They would tend to arrest everybody involved on suspicion of affray and then try to work out who did what.” But Adam said the bust-up between Taylor and Carroll, which is said to have happened in an ice-bath, was no different to a spat between friends. “If it happened with two friends while playing five-a-side football it would not be within the remit of the police to pursue that, unless they got a complaint,” he said. “Criminal offences take place everyday that people decide not to report for whatever reason.” Of course there are some exceptions where pursuing a prosecution is so important that police will go ahead without a victim statement, in particular cases of domestic violence. Carroll is currently on bail and awaiting a crown court trial over a charge of assault after an alleged incident in a Newcastle city centre nightclub last year. He is accused of assault occasioning actual bodily harm against Michael Cook in December. But Adam said this would not affect the police’s decision, and would only come into play if he was arrested, charged and sentenced. “If he was convicted of that offence and then was convicted of an assault on Taylor they would take both into account when sentencing,” he said. A Northumbria Police spokesman said that no complaint has been made, but if one is it will be followed-up. He's one of my best mates, and a mackem! Had no idea he was on the Sunday Sun's payroll. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Heneage Posted March 28, 2010 Share Posted March 28, 2010 Getting bored of hearing about this now like. The single most important thing at the football club right now is promotion. Sort that out and then we can deal with this issue. Is it just me that's sort of been impressed wit hthe way we've handled this by just not really responding at all. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skeletor Posted March 28, 2010 Share Posted March 28, 2010 Getting bored of hearing about this now like. The single most important thing at the football club right now is promotion. Sort that out and then we can deal with this issue. I'm more bored by the way the media are trying to keep this story going despite the fact that there hasn't been anything new to report on since it happened. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Liam Liam Liam O Posted March 28, 2010 Share Posted March 28, 2010 What's disappointing is that despite the club have decided to keep this in house so as to not affect the promotion campaign, the local press and local sports writers who said that might be the case seem intent on cobbling together stories intent on doing exactly that. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
madras Posted March 28, 2010 Share Posted March 28, 2010 What's disappointing is that despite the club have decided to keep this in house so as to not affect the promotion campaign, the local press and local sports writers who said that might be the case seem intent on cobbling together stories intent on doing exactly that. to be fair they could see it as sweeping shit under the carpet. in any other business/industry we'd say it stinks. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fenham Mag Posted March 28, 2010 Share Posted March 28, 2010 Is this the lad, AC has allegedly glassed? http://www.crooktownafc.com/players/4 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Incognito Posted March 28, 2010 Share Posted March 28, 2010 What's disappointing is that despite the club have decided to keep this in house so as to not affect the promotion campaign, the local press and local sports writers who said that might be the case seem intent on cobbling together stories intent on doing exactly that. It seems to be a case of damned if you do... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
gazza ladra Posted March 28, 2010 Share Posted March 28, 2010 Get used to hearing about it. Articles about the Forest match--win or lose--will be prefaced with a comment about how the fight "loomed" over the game and about how the author had to wonder if it had affected the club's performance. And LTaylor and here ilk will never mention this year's promotion campaign without noting that it was "overshadowed" or better yet "tained" by the bust up and backroom coverup. No matter what Carroll accomplishes in his life, breaking Taylor's jaw will be mentioned in his obituary. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fugazi Posted March 28, 2010 Share Posted March 28, 2010 Is this the lad, AC has allegedly glassed? http://www.crooktownafc.com/players/4 Favourite Food: Frozen Vodka Favourite Car: Fred Flinstones Favourite Player: Craig McRobie Favourite Team: Man Utd He seems like a right card. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
madras Posted March 28, 2010 Share Posted March 28, 2010 Get used to hearing about it. Articles about the Forest match--win or lose--will be prefaced with a comment about how the fight "loomed" over the game and about how the author had to wonder if it had affected the club's performance. And LTaylor and here ilk will never mention this year's promotion campaign without noting that it was "overshadowed" or better yet "tained" by the bust up and backroom coverup. No matter what Carroll accomplishes in his life, breaking Taylor's jaw will be mentioned in his obituary. hey that reminds me. new thread time. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRon Posted March 28, 2010 Share Posted March 28, 2010 What's disappointing is that despite the club have decided to keep this in house so as to not affect the promotion campaign, the local press and local sports writers who said that might be the case seem intent on cobbling together stories intent on doing exactly that. to be fair they could see it as sweeping shit under the carpet. in any other business/industry we'd say it stinks. I don't know many industries or businesses that will shoot themselves in the foot to please a few headline writers. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mick Posted March 28, 2010 Share Posted March 28, 2010 I don't know many industries or businesses that will shoot themselves in the foot to please a few headline writers. I thought that you were bored with the thread. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
madras Posted March 28, 2010 Share Posted March 28, 2010 What's disappointing is that despite the club have decided to keep this in house so as to not affect the promotion campaign, the local press and local sports writers who said that might be the case seem intent on cobbling together stories intent on doing exactly that. to be fair they could see it as sweeping s*** under the carpet. in any other business/industry we'd say it stinks. I don't know many industries or businesses that will shoot themselves in the foot to please a few headline writers. no. i mean the journalist would see nufc keeping it in house as sweeping it under the carpet, like catholic churchmen molesting kids or chemical spills. if we keep quiet it may just be forgotten about. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRon Posted March 28, 2010 Share Posted March 28, 2010 What's disappointing is that despite the club have decided to keep this in house so as to not affect the promotion campaign, the local press and local sports writers who said that might be the case seem intent on cobbling together stories intent on doing exactly that. to be fair they could see it as sweeping s*** under the carpet. in any other business/industry we'd say it stinks. I don't know many industries or businesses that will shoot themselves in the foot to please a few headline writers. no. i mean the journalist would see nufc keeping it in house as sweeping it under the carpet, like catholic churchmen molesting kids or chemical spills. if we keep quiet it may just be forgotten about. The same journalists will be tearing us to shreds if we don't get promotion. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
madras Posted March 28, 2010 Share Posted March 28, 2010 What's disappointing is that despite the club have decided to keep this in house so as to not affect the promotion campaign, the local press and local sports writers who said that might be the case seem intent on cobbling together stories intent on doing exactly that. to be fair they could see it as sweeping s*** under the carpet. in any other business/industry we'd say it stinks. I don't know many industries or businesses that will shoot themselves in the foot to please a few headline writers. no. i mean the journalist would see nufc keeping it in house as sweeping it under the carpet, like catholic churchmen molesting kids or chemical spills. if we keep quiet it may just be forgotten about. The same journalists will be tearing us to shreds if we don't get promotion. win win for the journo Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRon Posted March 28, 2010 Share Posted March 28, 2010 I don't know many industries or businesses that will shoot themselves in the foot to please a few headline writers. I thought that you were bored with the thread. No that was Dave who I quoted. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRon Posted March 28, 2010 Share Posted March 28, 2010 What's disappointing is that despite the club have decided to keep this in house so as to not affect the promotion campaign, the local press and local sports writers who said that might be the case seem intent on cobbling together stories intent on doing exactly that. to be fair they could see it as sweeping s*** under the carpet. in any other business/industry we'd say it stinks. I don't know many industries or businesses that will shoot themselves in the foot to please a few headline writers. no. i mean the journalist would see nufc keeping it in house as sweeping it under the carpet, like catholic churchmen molesting kids or chemical spills. if we keep quiet it may just be forgotten about. The same journalists will be tearing us to shreds if we don't get promotion. win win for the journo They do their jobs, the club have to do theirs. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
madras Posted March 28, 2010 Share Posted March 28, 2010 What's disappointing is that despite the club have decided to keep this in house so as to not affect the promotion campaign, the local press and local sports writers who said that might be the case seem intent on cobbling together stories intent on doing exactly that. to be fair they could see it as sweeping s*** under the carpet. in any other business/industry we'd say it stinks. I don't know many industries or businesses that will shoot themselves in the foot to please a few headline writers. no. i mean the journalist would see nufc keeping it in house as sweeping it under the carpet, like catholic churchmen molesting kids or chemical spills. if we keep quiet it may just be forgotten about. The same journalists will be tearing us to shreds if we don't get promotion. win win for the journo They do their jobs, the club have to do theirs. and we hopefully be honest with ourselves. do you think it would have been treat differently had taylor been playing and in form and we werent relying on caroll ? i do do you think if caroll had done this at any other club most on here would have been scathing ? i do. would the same people have slagged off carrolls club for doing what nufc are ? i think so. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Liam Liam Liam O Posted March 28, 2010 Share Posted March 28, 2010 What's disappointing is that despite the club have decided to keep this in house so as to not affect the promotion campaign, the local press and local sports writers who said that might be the case seem intent on cobbling together stories intent on doing exactly that. to be fair they could see it as sweeping s*** under the carpet. in any other business/industry we'd say it stinks. I don't know many industries or businesses that will shoot themselves in the foot to please a few headline writers. no. i mean the journalist would see nufc keeping it in house as sweeping it under the carpet, like catholic churchmen molesting kids or chemical spills. if we keep quiet it may just be forgotten about. The same journalists will be tearing us to shreds if we don't get promotion. win win for the journo They do their jobs, the club have to do theirs. and we hopefully be honest with ourselves. do you think it would have been treat differently had taylor been playing and in form and we werent relying on caroll ? i do do you think if caroll had done this at any other club most on here would have been scathing ? i do. would the same people have slagged off carrolls club for doing what nufc are ? i think so. I'm fickle. No problem with that. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
madras Posted March 28, 2010 Share Posted March 28, 2010 What's disappointing is that despite the club have decided to keep this in house so as to not affect the promotion campaign, the local press and local sports writers who said that might be the case seem intent on cobbling together stories intent on doing exactly that. to be fair they could see it as sweeping s*** under the carpet. in any other business/industry we'd say it stinks. I don't know many industries or businesses that will shoot themselves in the foot to please a few headline writers. no. i mean the journalist would see nufc keeping it in house as sweeping it under the carpet, like catholic churchmen molesting kids or chemical spills. if we keep quiet it may just be forgotten about. The same journalists will be tearing us to shreds if we don't get promotion. win win for the journo They do their jobs, the club have to do theirs. and we hopefully be honest with ourselves. do you think it would have been treat differently had taylor been playing and in form and we werent relying on caroll ? i do do you think if caroll had done this at any other club most on here would have been scathing ? i do. would the same people have slagged off carrolls club for doing what nufc are ? i think so. I'm fickle. No problem with that. is that taking being honest with yourself too far ? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mick Posted March 28, 2010 Share Posted March 28, 2010 No that was Dave who I quoted. My mistake, I obviously misunderstood the "Couldn't agree more" reply. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BottledDog Posted March 28, 2010 Share Posted March 28, 2010 What's disappointing is that despite the club have decided to keep this in house so as to not affect the promotion campaign, the local press and local sports writers who said that might be the case seem intent on cobbling together stories intent on doing exactly that. to be fair they could see it as sweeping s*** under the carpet. in any other business/industry we'd say it stinks. I don't know many industries or businesses that will shoot themselves in the foot to please a few headline writers. no. i mean the journalist would see nufc keeping it in house as sweeping it under the carpet, like catholic churchmen molesting kids or chemical spills. if we keep quiet it may just be forgotten about. The same journalists will be tearing us to shreds if we don't get promotion. win win for the journo They do their jobs, the club have to do theirs. and we hopefully be honest with ourselves. do you think it would have been treat differently had taylor been playing and in form and we werent relying on caroll ? i do No, exactly the same. The clubs and Hughtons primary responsibility is to the success of the team, not be part of the story if avoidable, or to display a strong reaction for the the benefit of media or supporter curiosity. Let the internal investigation and any external investigations assess the facts and dictate the futures of the players involved. If the facts have not been establised, then let that run its course. If they have then the silence should be welcomed even more as it would suggest that all parties are willing to put it in the past. do you think if caroll had done this at any other club most on here would have been scathing ? i do. would the same people have slagged off carrolls club for doing what nufc are ? i think so. The people who tend to jump to to conclusions without being in full possession of the facts were always likely to wade in. If it were another club, yes the criticism I suppose would be even greater, and we'd probably take the opportunity to slag the 'offending' club off royaly as well (as we would for any little thing). Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
lovejoy Posted March 28, 2010 Share Posted March 28, 2010 so................wayne rooney twats jonny evans and breaks his jaw. what does Fergie do? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
madras Posted March 28, 2010 Share Posted March 28, 2010 so................wayne rooney twats jonny evans and breaks his jaw. what does Fergie do? does rooney already have a caution for assault and is he up soon for glassing someone ? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thespence Posted March 29, 2010 Share Posted March 29, 2010 Some years ago a football manager of great experience expressed his concern at what passed for dressing-room banter in the modern game. 'There has always been mickey-taking,' he said. 'It was no different when I played. This is not the same, though. They say stuff about people's wives, their girlfriends, who earns what, really nasty, personal remarks. Some of the boys can handle it better than others. It's too near the mark. It's all meant to be a laugh, but it doesn't seem very funny to me.' I was reminded of these comments while reading of the fight between Andy Carroll and Steven Taylor at Newcastle United. It started as a wind-up, pay packets were mentioned and then text messages to a girl. It ended with Taylor nursing a broken jaw. Can't take a joke, some people. Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-1261397/MARTIN-SAMUEL-David-Sullivan-missed-cue-axe-Gianfranco-Zola-knows-it.html#ixzz0jWKcuDl0 Some classic footage on: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-1260019/VIDEO-SPECIAL-As-Newcastle-erupts-civil-war-Sportsmail-remembers-best-training-ground-bust-ups.html Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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