Sunderland...

[Wullie]

If he plays Smith and loses, he should do the decent thing and resign immediately. He's not a decent person though.

why, cos he shagged someone elses bird ?

 

Because he spent November praying for us to lose so his mate wot he met dahn the casino would give him a job.

do you not think a lot of managers are contacted before the predecessors are booted out ?

 

for example is there any truth in the o'neill/grant situation ?

 

 

if these behind the back deals make you so angry you ought to give up on football as players,coaches,managers are doing them all the time.

 

I don't like people conspiring to the detriment of Newcastle United by doing something like forcing the manager out when he's doing a good job. Would anyone on here? If a journalist was doing it?

 

But then because this arsehole then takes the job himself, I'm supposed to support him? I wish him nothing but ill in the same way I'd still wish Ole Gunnar Solskjaer to be run over by a bus if he signed a contract at NUFC to do the washing up. I'll always support the team but I'll never support this manager and I shouldn't have to for very long because he's absolutely fucking clueless. I only hope and pray that he doesn't prove it tomorrow like he did last week.

[M4]

Move barton in the middle instead of smith, routledge on the right. Or risk gosling. Just no smith, please.

 

Exactly.

 

Smith setting foot on the park should be the absolute last resort. He'll get booked within 15 mins would be my bet of the day.

 

Thirded. There's no excuse or logical reason for Smith to be involved in any way. This is my biggest fear about tomorrow, as any hope will be sucked out even before kick off if he's in the team.

[madras]

If he plays Smith and loses, he should do the decent thing and resign immediately. He's not a decent person though.

why, cos he shagged someone elses bird ?

 

Because he spent November praying for us to lose so his mate wot he met dahn the casino would give him a job.

do you not think a lot of managers are contacted before the predecessors are booted out ?

 

for example is there any truth in the o'neill/grant situation ?

 

 

if these behind the back deals make you so angry you ought to give up on football as players,coaches,managers are doing them all the time.

 

I don't like people conspiring to the detriment of Newcastle United by doing something like forcing the manager out when he's doing a good job. Would anyone on here? If a journalist was doing it?

 

But then because this arsehole then takes the job himself, I'm supposed to support him? I wish him nothing but ill in the same way I'd still wish Ole Gunnar Solskjaer to be run over by a bus if he signed a contract at NUFC to do the washing up. I'll always support the team but I'll never support this manager and I shouldn't have to for very long because he's absolutely f***ing clueless.

do you seriously think we never had any contact with ben arfa etc and the way he went on....do you support him, lets face it it was worse than anything pardews done.

 

 

 

i'm almost with grumpy on "forcing hiughton out", it was results and performances that done it, not pardew.

[Wullie]

If he plays Smith and loses, he should do the decent thing and resign immediately. He's not a decent person though.

why, cos he shagged someone elses bird ?

 

Because he spent November praying for us to lose so his mate wot he met dahn the casino would give him a job.

do you not think a lot of managers are contacted before the predecessors are booted out ?

 

for example is there any truth in the o'neill/grant situation ?

 

 

if these behind the back deals make you so angry you ought to give up on football as players,coaches,managers are doing them all the time.

 

I don't like people conspiring to the detriment of Newcastle United by doing something like forcing the manager out when he's doing a good job. Would anyone on here? If a journalist was doing it?

 

But then because this arsehole then takes the job himself, I'm supposed to support him? I wish him nothing but ill in the same way I'd still wish Ole Gunnar Solskjaer to be run over by a bus if he signed a contract at NUFC to do the washing up. I'll always support the team but I'll never support this manager and I shouldn't have to for very long because he's absolutely f***ing clueless.

do you seriously think we never had any contact with ben arfa etc and the way he went on....do you support him, lets face it it was worse than anything pardews done.

 

 

 

i'm almost with grumpy on "forcing hiughton out", it was results and performances that done it, not pardew.

 

What did Ben Arfa do to the detriment of Newcastle United?

 

That last sentence is so ludicrous it's not even worth responding to. Be interesting to see how quick you want this mug out because he won't get anywhere near as much out of the players as Chris Hughton did. If we lose tomorrow, every man should want him gone considering the result on Halloween.

[Guest Howaythetoon]

I'm with Wullie regarding Pardew.

[madras]

If he plays Smith and loses, he should do the decent thing and resign immediately. He's not a decent person though.

why, cos he shagged someone elses bird ?

 

Because he spent November praying for us to lose so his mate wot he met dahn the casino would give him a job.

do you not think a lot of managers are contacted before the predecessors are booted out ?

 

for example is there any truth in the o'neill/grant situation ?

 

 

if these behind the back deals make you so angry you ought to give up on football as players,coaches,managers are doing them all the time.

 

I don't like people conspiring to the detriment of Newcastle United by doing something like forcing the manager out when he's doing a good job. Would anyone on here? If a journalist was doing it?

 

But then because this arsehole then takes the job himself, I'm supposed to support him? I wish him nothing but ill in the same way I'd still wish Ole Gunnar Solskjaer to be run over by a bus if he signed a contract at NUFC to do the washing up. I'll always support the team but I'll never support this manager and I shouldn't have to for very long because he's absolutely f***ing clueless.

do you seriously think we never had any contact with ben arfa etc and the way he went on....do you support him, lets face it it was worse than anything pardews done.

 

 

 

i'm almost with grumpy on "forcing hiughton out", it was results and performances that done it, not pardew.

 

What did Ben Arfa do to the detriment of Newcastle United?

 

That last sentence is so ludicrous it's not even worth responding to. Be interesting to see how quick you want this mug out because he won't get anywhere near as much out of the players as Chris Hughton did. If we lose tomorrow, every man should want him gone considering the result on Halloween.

oh i see so it's only to the detriment, so you are ok with a player behaving like a t*** towards others providing it's not us. isn't that a tad hypocritical ?

 

edit...also the comapring the result on halloween is a bit cherry picking isn't it....or should we comapre the performances against wigan aswell ?

[Guest rabit71]

just back to the defense argument:

 

how the hell can you compare sunderland - the team with 11, yes ELEVEN, clean sheets this season, to west ham?!?!?

[madras]

just back to the defense argument:

 

how the hell can you compare sunderland - the team with 11, yes ELEVEN, clean sheets this season, to west ham?!?!?

i was comparing personnel in their back 4. c;lean sheets are kept by teams, not back 4's

[Vinny Green Balls]

Not sure how Ben Arfa's situation is remotely like Pardew's without having to build a bit of a bridge.

 

Yes, it is agreed that 11 clean sheets is down to a team effort.  However,  the 11 clean sheets and their goal difference suggests that the mackems' defense is organized better than the West Hams of the league, since teams have managed to penetrate through their midfield.  As the last line of defense, they are doing as well as anyone, apart from a couple of blips.  

[Vinny Green Balls]

i suppose we will see a good litmus test on sunday with Cattermole and Maylor out.  How good is this backline, although I am not too confident about the frontline we are putting out, even if the Scourge of Sunderland is in the lineup.

 

And if Smith goes in, we are effectively playing with 9 men.

[madras]

Not sure how Ben Arfa's situation is remotely like Pardew's without having to build a bit of a bridge.

 

Yes, it is agreed that 11 clean sheets is down to a team effort.  However,  the 11 clean sheets and their goal difference suggests that the mackems' defense is organized better than the West Hams of the league, since teams have managed to penetrate through their midfield.  As the last line of defense, they are doing as well as anyone, apart from a couple of blips. 

a) the ben arfa point is that it's hypocritical to get annoyed when someone does something against you but think it's ok when they do a similar thing in your favour (in fact what pardew done was nowhere near as bad as what ben arfa done.)

 

b) i don't rate the sunderland defence, in games i've seen if you get past their midfield it's not very good.

[Vinny Green Balls]

from my view, ben arfa, although a spoiled tit at times, was a little hard done by at his old club.  May be misinterpreting you on that one.  Is there some question mark whether Ben Arfa was complicit in the firing of another professional?  I know it's all hearsay, but something fishy was going on with the Pardew thing, well before Hughton got the axe.  Certainly fishy enough to leave doubt about the part Pardew played in his sacking. 

 

There were some atrocious performances under Hughton, but we were still sitting in a somewhat comfortable position as a promoted team.  And say what you will, but that performance at Stevenage was as bad as the worst under Hughton, and the sending on of Tiote was absolute madness.  Pardew may well have cost us points in the next 3 games, with such a stupid decision.    Not saying that Pardew's time here can be described as a disaster yet either, but when the water empties out of the bay, there is a more than good chance that it's coming back at some point with disastrous consequences

[madras]

from my view, ben arfa, although a spoiled tit at times, was a little hard done by at his old club.  May be misinterpreting you on that one.  Is there some question mark whether Ben Arfa was complicit in the firing of another professional?  I know it's all hearsay, but something fishy was going on with the Pardew thing, well before Hughton got the axe.  Certainly fishy enough to leave doubt about the part Pardew played in his sacking. 

 

There were some atrocious performances under Hughton, but we were still sitting in a somewhat comfortable position as a promoted team.  And say what you will, but that performance at Stevenage was as bad as the worst under Hughton, and the sending on of Tiote was absolute madness.  Pardew may well have cost us points in the next 3 games, with such a stupid decision.    Not saying that Pardew's time here can be described as a disaster yet either, but when the water empties out of the bay, there is a more than good chance that it's coming back at some point with disastrous consequences

ben arfa ripped up the rules to say "i want away" and came to talk to us without permission, make your own mind up if you think there was any contact with the club when he was in newcastle.

 

 

on other occasions the club would have been slagged up for considering getting rid of a manager without a successor lined up. there is no argument that pardew isn't an appreciably better then hughton (fwiw i don't think he's any worse either)

[Wullie]

If he plays Smith and loses, he should do the decent thing and resign immediately. He's not a decent person though.

why, cos he shagged someone elses bird ?

 

Because he spent November praying for us to lose so his mate wot he met dahn the casino would give him a job.

do you not think a lot of managers are contacted before the predecessors are booted out ?

 

for example is there any truth in the o'neill/grant situation ?

 

 

if these behind the back deals make you so angry you ought to give up on football as players,coaches,managers are doing them all the time.

 

I don't like people conspiring to the detriment of Newcastle United by doing something like forcing the manager out when he's doing a good job. Would anyone on here? If a journalist was doing it?

 

But then because this arsehole then takes the job himself, I'm supposed to support him? I wish him nothing but ill in the same way I'd still wish Ole Gunnar Solskjaer to be run over by a bus if he signed a contract at NUFC to do the washing up. I'll always support the team but I'll never support this manager and I shouldn't have to for very long because he's absolutely f***ing clueless.

do you seriously think we never had any contact with ben arfa etc and the way he went on....do you support him, lets face it it was worse than anything pardews done.

 

 

 

i'm almost with grumpy on "forcing hiughton out", it was results and performances that done it, not pardew.

 

What did Ben Arfa do to the detriment of Newcastle United?

 

That last sentence is so ludicrous it's not even worth responding to. Be interesting to see how quick you want this mug out because he won't get anywhere near as much out of the players as Chris Hughton did. If we lose tomorrow, every man should want him gone considering the result on Halloween.

oh i see so it's only to the detriment, so you are ok with a player behaving like a t*** towards others providing it's not us. isn't that a tad hypocritical ?

 

edit...also the comapring the result on halloween is a bit cherry picking isn't it....or should we comapre the performances against wigan aswell ?

 

No it's not. I'm a Newcastle fan. Don't give a fuck about anyone else.

 

Feel free. If N'Zogbia had been injured at SJP, we'd have beaten them there too.

[Vinny Green Balls]

in defense of ben arfa, he was being frozen out.  If Pardew was indeed complicit in the sacking of Hughton, then Ben Arfa's actions then should not compare in any way.  there is certainly an ethical difference between acting against the rules if you believe them to be unfair, and being a part of somebody being fired because you feel you deserve the job more.  In Pardew's case, somebody else was on the other end of the axe.

 

 

[madras]

in defense of ben arfa, he was being frozen out.  If Pardew was indeed complicit in the sacking of Hughton, then Ben Arfa's actions then should not compare in any way.  there is certainly an ethical difference between acting against the rules if you believe them to be unfair, and being a part of somebody being fired because you feel you deserve the job more.  In Pardew's case, somebody else was on the other end of the axe.

 

 

you just don't get it, what ben arfa done was illegal under the rules of the game, what pardew done wasn't.

 

 

do you think if we were to look at replacing pardew we should quietly get in touch with a replacement beforehand or wait until we sack him then go looking ?

[Guest Heneage]

I do wonder sometimes how you are picked as the best Football poster.

 

we should want Pardew to be sacked if he loses tomorrow? Even though he'll be missing the club's best striker and starting defensive midfielder?

 

You need to channel your hate for Pardew into other avenues, like tenderizing meat or stress balls.

[Vinny Green Balls]

I do get it.  It's on ethical grounds that you clearly don't get.  If you are being frozen out, and you do what Ben Arfa did, then it is illegal.  If you get somebody fired through duplicity, it isn't necessary illegal.  But on ethical grounds, it is much more odious, because your actions are parasitically affecting somebody else.  It is really that simple.  And if you can't see it, then I suggest you start a business with Ben Ali. 

[Mick]

you just don't get it, what ben arfa done was illegal under the rules of the game, what pardew done wasn't.

 

 

do you think if we were to look at replacing pardew we should quietly get in touch with a replacement beforehand or wait until we sack him then go looking ?

 

Ben Arfa's agent was told to find him another club and he did.

[Vinny Green Balls]

I agree with Nixon that we shouldn't let our dislike for Pardew magnify things, as everybody did after the loss at Tottenham and Stevenage.  However, there is nothing wrong with being a little bit skeptical about how things are going to turn out.  It just feels as if we've seen the movie before, and that we've been misled enough by the management in their short tenure here.  If something happens, and we experience great success with Pardew, then we will all be thrilled.

 

But some are so quick to defend the indefensible that it truly beggars belief.  Pardew is nothing more to me than a pawn in this fucked up endgame that Ashley is playing.  It's senseless to waste all of your energy on hating the pawn. 

[Mick]

I do wonder sometimes how you are picked as the best Football poster.

 

we should want Pardew to be sacked if he loses tomorrow? Even though he'll be missing the club's best striker and starting defensive midfielder?

 

You need to channel your hate for Pardew into other avenues, like tenderizing meat or stress balls.

 

Pardew shouldn't be sacked tomorrow, no matter what the result.  If we lose because we haven't got Tiote then he's played a major part in that.

[Guest Heneage]

I do wonder sometimes how you are picked as the best Football poster.

 

we should want Pardew to be sacked if he loses tomorrow? Even though he'll be missing the club's best striker and starting defensive midfielder?

 

You need to channel your hate for Pardew into other avenues, like tenderizing meat or stress balls.

 

Pardew shouldn't be sacked tomorrow, no matter what the result.  If we lose because we haven't got Tiote then he's played a major part in that.

Aye but he's also had to gamble on Shola and missing Carroll essentially our two best strikers. Tiote was bad luck bad judgement whatever but to say we should want him sacked his embarrassing, Hughton's not coming back Pardew's our manager just accept it.

[JH]

This thread's getting interesting

[Vinny Green Balls]

Sacking him after 6 games in charge would indeed be ridiculous, and would actually make his decision to jettison Hughton even that much more horrendous.

[Fenham Mag]

http://www.mirrorfootball.co.uk/news/Transfer-news-Sunderland-set-for-sensational-swoop-for-Manchester-United-s-Michael-Owen-article674235.html#ixzz1B9GULwOX

 

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