Colocho Posted July 21, 2011 Share Posted July 21, 2011 f***ing hell, Colocho. You claim to represent Newcastle fans as well?! I don't need to hate, or agree with the hatred of people from an armpit like Sunderland to comment on the goings on at the NUFC. I don't hate people from Sunderland. I have family and close friends from there. I do, however, understand the rivalry. That's the difference. As I've said many times, I understand why the rivalry exists and how it manifests itself. I just don't understand why people continue to live with it - and why some embrace it, especially away from football. The way people live their lives is often far removed from how they post online. For example a readytogo poster may be an office worker rather than the bin man who won a computer via a council grant that we perceive him to be. I imagine most posters on here who discuss Sunderland in this thread rarely speak about them in person i.e it won't manifest itself in day to day life. Apart from when talking about football... Spose... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hanshithispantz Posted July 21, 2011 Share Posted July 21, 2011 Very few people genuinly live with the rivalry on a day to day basis like Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colocho Posted July 21, 2011 Share Posted July 21, 2011 Very few people genuinly live with the rivalry on a day to day basis like The people on these boards, yeah, I would have guessed that. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Revolution Number 9 Posted July 21, 2011 Share Posted July 21, 2011 You're a cockney, you don't know s*** about our local rivalry. Jog on. Have relatives and friends that live in the North-East, have been going up to Newcastle all my life. I know about the local 'rivalry', and pity it. knowing about it and understanding it appear to be completly different things then. You have to be born here to really understand it. I'll never truly understand it, I agree. I could be wrong, but from what I've always been told the rivalry goes back to the English civil war. Newcastle was on the side of the crown, and Sunderland sided with the Parlimentarians - and then a load of s*** kicked off about coal and as a cause of that, you hate each other? I've never lived anywhere where there is such hatred for people that live in a city 12 miles away, people of similar stock to yourselves... You'd think with so many people in this country ready to turn their noses up at the north-east, in disregard - there would at least be some brotherhood between the people of the region? Couldn't give a f*** about the 'rivarly', it's primitive - f***ing medieval. Where else in the country do you think this goes on, to this kind of level? Its good to see that there are people who don't let this obsession rule their lives (know of a couple married for 20 years, one is a geordie, one is a mackem). Tbh, I'm bloody glad it's something I and those I care about, both now and in the future have never been cursed with. Maybe if some of you guys moved out of the North-East you would see just how abnormal it is, and just how people outside of the North-East react to it? Made yourself look like an utter mongstrosity here like. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ponsaelius Posted July 21, 2011 Share Posted July 21, 2011 More fucking gold from Colocho in here. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elliottman Posted July 21, 2011 Share Posted July 21, 2011 Colocho has lost any credibility he may have had. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldtype Posted July 21, 2011 Share Posted July 21, 2011 Credit to RN9, "mongstrosity" is such an apt description. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sifu Posted July 21, 2011 Share Posted July 21, 2011 Colocho has lost any credibility he may have had. Aye..... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Revolution Number 9 Posted July 21, 2011 Share Posted July 21, 2011 And this knacker has a big role in that 'United for Newcastle' thing? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anderson Posted July 21, 2011 Share Posted July 21, 2011 Colocho has lost any credibility he may have had. Tbf, the suggestion that he ever had any credibility is ridiculous. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest WashyGeordie Posted July 21, 2011 Share Posted July 21, 2011 Yes, because were the only derby with this kind of hatred/passion, yet there's fiercer derbies than ours. I think even Ashley isn't that out of touch. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Haris Vuckic Posted July 21, 2011 Share Posted July 21, 2011 @SAFC_Youths on twitter! check out this guys time line!! 9-1 #alwaysinourshadow ahahahaha! brilliant I think he's real! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beren Posted July 21, 2011 Share Posted July 21, 2011 Cba to go back to what incited that little speech from Colocho, but as a non-Geordie fan (ie. not born in the area) I don't see the rivalry as being unmanageable or vastly more/less noxious than those elsewhere - in Birmingham or the South, for example. It's a good, dare I say, healthy rivalry? From a personal perspective, I've always grown up with the ethos of taking pride in the success of your enemy... and I'd like to think if Sunderland had had any, on any level (even just overtaking Shola's goal tally in Europe, for instance), I'd be able to congratulate them and think it a success for the area - in the same way Sir Bobby Robson might have done. I'm fully willing to admit I don't despise them as human beings or anything though It's closer to pity. That said, I don't begrudge or think any less of the Geordies who do loathe them. It's always different from the outside looking in, I suppose. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colocho Posted July 21, 2011 Share Posted July 21, 2011 And this knacker has a big role in that 'United for Newcastle' thing? http://kerningcity.net/wp-content/uploads/2011/05/trollface-300x273.jpg Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ujpest doza Posted July 21, 2011 Share Posted July 21, 2011 You're a cockney, you don't know s*** about our local rivalry. Jog on. Have relatives and friends that live in the North-East, have been going up to Newcastle all my life. I know about the local 'rivalry', and pity it. knowing about it and understanding it appear to be completly different things then. You have to be born here to really understand it. I'll never truly understand it, I agree. I could be wrong, but from what I've always been told the rivalry goes back to the English civil war. Newcastle was on the side of the crown, and Sunderland sided with the Parlimentarians - and then a load of shit kicked off about coal and as a cause of that, you hate each other? I've never lived anywhere where there is such hatred for people that live in a city 12 miles away, people of similar stock to yourselves... You'd think with so many people in this country ready to turn their noses up at the north-east, in disregard - there would at least be some brotherhood between the people of the region? Couldn't give a fuck about the 'rivarly', it's primitive - fucking medieval. Where else in the country do you think this goes on, to this kind of level? Its good to see that there are people who don't let this obsession rule their lives (know of a couple married for 20 years, one is a geordie, one is a mackem). Tbh, I'm bloody glad it's something I and those I care about, both now and in the future have never been cursed with. Maybe if some of you guys moved out of the North-East you would see just how abnormal it is, and just how people outside of the North-East react to it? What a load of shit. Southampton and Portsmouth Reading and Oxford and Swindon Ipswich and Norwich Derby and Nottingham Swansea and Cardiff Millwall and West Ham Tottenham and Chelsea Liverpool and Manchester (both clubs) All of those hate each other with the same passion as Newcastle and Sunderland. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
broonalegeordie Posted July 21, 2011 Share Posted July 21, 2011 You're a cockney, you don't know s*** about our local rivalry. Jog on. Have relatives and friends that live in the North-East, have been going up to Newcastle all my life. I know about the local 'rivalry', and pity it. knowing about it and understanding it appear to be completly different things then. You have to be born here to really understand it. I'll never truly understand it, I agree. I could be wrong, but from what I've always been told the rivalry goes back to the English civil war. Newcastle was on the side of the crown, and Sunderland sided with the Parlimentarians - and then a load of shit kicked off about coal and as a cause of that, you hate each other? I've never lived anywhere where there is such hatred for people that live in a city 12 miles away, people of similar stock to yourselves... You'd think with so many people in this country ready to turn their noses up at the north-east, in disregard - there would at least be some brotherhood between the people of the region? Couldn't give a fuck about the 'rivarly', it's primitive - fucking medieval. Where else in the country do you think this goes on, to this kind of level? Its good to see that there are people who don't let this obsession rule their lives (know of a couple married for 20 years, one is a geordie, one is a mackem). Tbh, I'm bloody glad it's something I and those I care about, both now and in the future have never been cursed with. Maybe if some of you guys moved out of the North-East you would see just how abnormal it is, and just how people outside of the North-East react to it? What a load of shit. Southampton and Portsmouth Reading and Oxford and Swindon Ipswich and Norwich Derby and Nottingham Swansea and Cardiff Millwall and West Ham Tottenham and Chelsea Liverpool and Manchester (both clubs) All of those hate each other with the same passion as Newcastle and Sunderland. And then you only have to look at Rangers and Celtic Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hanshithispantz Posted July 21, 2011 Share Posted July 21, 2011 Rangers and Celtic put it on a lot like, spoken to people when out who come up with s*** like "My best friend HATES Celtic so much he ripped all the grass up in his garden" (Celtic fan). Not doubting the rivaly, but from my experience they certainly try to make a game of it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hughesy Posted July 21, 2011 Share Posted July 21, 2011 I think the 'hatred' in all derbies is much more of a modern thing to be honest. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
madras Posted July 21, 2011 Share Posted July 21, 2011 Yet the worst rioting ever at SJP was supposedly at the Derby of 1908. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
madras Posted July 21, 2011 Share Posted July 21, 2011 My mistake 1909 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
binnsy Posted July 21, 2011 Share Posted July 21, 2011 Newcastle Sunderland rivalry goes further than football though, go back through history and they fought each other in the English civil war, then through coal wars and then shipbuilding when Tyne battled against Wear. this was written in the guardian in 2005 A rivalry with roots in kings and coal Richard Stonehouse traces a great enmity between fans that predates football Share75 reddit this The Observer, Sunday 23 October 2005 01.45 BST Article history At 1.30 this afternoon, about one million people in Tyne and Wear and an additional million more from the North-East's diaspora, will watch and listen to what they consider to be the most important match of the season. Yet, to the rest of the watching world, the outcome will be observed with indifference. The Tyne-Wear derby may be perceived by the uninitiated as parochial and unsophisticated, but like the world's greatest derbies it has a historical conflict as its bedrock. And if anything, as a basis for a rivalry, the Sunderland-Newcastle derby is the most legitimate conflict anywhere. Some of the great derbies are based on issues that are trite and irrational. The historical class difference, for example, between the Milan clubs - Milan traditionally unionist and working-class, Inter upper-class and conservative - is now moot, given the chairmanship of the right-wing Silvio Berlusconi at Milan. Their historical reason for difference has dissipated, as it arguably has for Juventus-Torino, Real Madrid-Atletico, and Panathinaikos-Olympiakos. The Celtic-Rangers rivalry has been written about extensively, and needs no elaboration. Other than to say that if football can act as a metaphor for international and jingoistic warfare, then the Old Firm is the most articulate. But the Tyne-Wear derby wins in its secular and concise regional conflict. It does, after all, predate football by 226 years. It is a conflict that has divided two cities, 12 miles apart, for more than three centuries. In the epoch before the 1600s, King Charles I had consistently awarded the East of England Coal Trade Rights (try to contain your excitement) to Newcastle's traders, which rendered the Wearside coal merchants redundant. People died because of it. Coal and ships were Sunderland's raison d'etre. But when, in 1642, the English Civil War started, and Newcastle, with good reason, supported the Crown, Sunderland, because of the trading inequalities, sided with Cromwell's Parliamentarians, and the division began. It became a conflict between Sunderland's socialist republicanism, against Newcastle's loyalist self-interest. A purposeful enmity if ever there was one. Unlike rivalries between other clubs, the differences between Newcastle and Sunderland date back to fighting based on the necessity to live and feed one's children, and benefit one's city. The political differences between the two culminated with the battle of Boldon Hill. A loyalist army from Newcastle and County Durham gathered to fight an anti-monarchist Sunderland and Scottish army at a field equidistant between the two towns. The joint Scottish and Sunderland army won - and Newcastle was colonised by the Scottish. It was subsequently used as a Republican military base for the rest of war. And while this is a lucid basis for two cities hating each other, it has, like every other modern-day derby, developed profoundly irrational manifestations. It has been noted that some Newcastle fans refuse to buy bacon, because of its 'red-and-white appearance' - the pinnacle, regardless of any jovial flippancy, of irrational behaviour. Likewise the past Mackem boycott of a particular breakfast cereal, because of the Newcastle-orientated marketing of its brand, is silly beyond words. However, these are benign occurrences. In March 2000, more than 70 Sunderland and Newcastle hooligans took part in some of the worst football-related violence ever seen in Britain. It was not even a match day. What the police called 'usually respectable men and fathers' had decided to meet in mutual territory with their enemies, to fight with knives, bats and bricks. Sunderland fans boarded a ferry towards Tyneside, found the awaiting 'army', and fought. One man was left permanently brain-damaged. Dozens of people were arrested, and years upon years of prison-time was sentenced. The continuation of tension involves a new sense of injustice. For well over a decade, Sunderland's population has bemoaned that they have been paying their local taxes to finance both the Newcastle Metro and airport. A perceived bias towards Tyneside in the regional and national media further compounds a feeling of inequality. It seems that history is repeating itself for the people of Sunderland, albeit in a less livelihood-threatening sort of way. Perhaps a more trivial, city-image sort of way. But this makes little sense. Let's just hope that despite the hijacking of the game by the corporate class, and the working-class ostracising that comes with it, there remain terraces from which Mackems and Geordies can vent their invariably abusive opinions of each other without violence and civil war. Why Mackems and Geordies? The derivations are uncertain, but both have theories based in historical political allegiances. 'Geordie' because of Tyneside's staunch support of the Hanoverian King George II during the 1745 Jacobite Rebellion - 'Geordie' is a common diminutive of 'George'; and Mackem because of Wearside's accommodation of the Scottish 'Blue Mac' army during the civil war. It is more likely, however, that the origins stem from aspects of the shipbuilding and coalmining industries. The Tyneside coalminers preferred George Stephenson's 'Geordie' safety lamp over the more widely used Humphry Davy lamp. And it has been accepted almost universally that Mackem is derived from the phrase Mak(e)'em and Tak(e)'em, coined by Tyneside shipbuilders to insult their counterparts on the River Wear, who would build the ships and have them taken away by the richer classes. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
leffe186 Posted July 21, 2011 Share Posted July 21, 2011 I think the 'hatred' in all derbies is much more of a modern thing to be honest. That Belfast Celtic v Linfield riot was in 1948. http://www.sirc.org/publik/fvhist.html/en-en/ - some stuff on the timeline at the end. I guess it depends upon whether you ignore any hatred that has an outside origin (religion, "nationality"). Also depends upon what you think of as modern. There have certainly been issues since the 50s in games such as Spurs v Arsenal. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
madras Posted July 21, 2011 Share Posted July 21, 2011 Should colocho's name be changed to 'the uninitiated' ? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hanshithispantz Posted July 21, 2011 Share Posted July 21, 2011 Any of the 'proper carry on' nower days is betwean a bunch of pissed up charvers. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hanshithispantz Posted July 21, 2011 Share Posted July 21, 2011 Yeah, Binnsy, theres no doubting the history of the rivaly, but nowerdays it's purely football related. At the end of the day, I love the derby, it's one of my most (if not my most) looked forward to days of the year. I'm pretty sure thats how every other football fan will feel too. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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