ponsaelius Posted January 14, 2011 Share Posted January 14, 2011 I thought SWP was average when everybody thought he was good. That means now he's shit I think he's basically a cancer to a team's right flank. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Village Idiot Posted January 14, 2011 Share Posted January 14, 2011 SWP was good back when he was a bundle of energy. Yeah, he looks so lethargic nowadays, and that was the only thing he had going for him as a player. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest sicko2ndbest Posted January 14, 2011 Share Posted January 14, 2011 Off camera to David Craig pardew apparently said deals are breaking down because of wages Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChrisMcQuillan Posted January 14, 2011 Share Posted January 14, 2011 Off camera to David Craig pardew apparently said deals are breaking down because of wages That really irritates me. Not that we have a wage cap, but that Alan Smith is earning enough for four decent players. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
leffe186 Posted January 14, 2011 Share Posted January 14, 2011 Off camera to David Craig pardew apparently said deals are breaking down because of wages That really irritates me. Not that we have a wage cap, but that Alan Smith is earning enough for four decent players. Yeah, I presume that if there is any kind of cap on wages it is on total wages and linked to turnover. Until the remaining silly-contract players leave, there will always be problems. It's a start though, and surely the only way to build. The silver lining is that players like Smith will hardly be in a good bargaining position when their contract is up for re-negotiation. When does his run out? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdckelly Posted January 14, 2011 Share Posted January 14, 2011 Off camera to David Craig pardew apparently said deals are breaking down because of wages That really irritates me. Not that we have a wage cap, but that Alan Smith is earning enough for four decent players. i'm sure it irritates the ashley and co (mistake one ashley made, trusting fat sam) but its nigh on impossible to shift someone like smith when they're on wages like that Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ronaldo Posted January 14, 2011 Share Posted January 14, 2011 Whilst we need new signings, the club's in a pretty strong position financially and I wouldn't want to start compromising that for the likes of Seb Larsson, who doesn't seem to want to be here anyway. Obviously the club is prepared to pay very good wages to very good players. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChrisMcQuillan Posted January 14, 2011 Share Posted January 14, 2011 Off camera to David Craig pardew apparently said deals are breaking down because of wages That really irritates me. Not that we have a wage cap, but that Alan Smith is earning enough for four decent players. Yeah, I presume that if there is any kind of cap on wages it is on total wages and linked to turnover. Until the remaining silly-contract players leave, there will always be problems. It's a start though, and surely the only way to build. The silver lining is that players like Smith will hardly be in a good bargaining position when their contract is up for re-negotiation. When does his run out? End of 2012. We gave him a five-year contract. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dokko Posted January 14, 2011 Share Posted January 14, 2011 Off camera to David Craig pardew apparently said deals are breaking down because of wages That really irritates me. Not that we have a wage cap, but that Alan Smith is earning enough for four decent players. Yeah, I presume that if there is any kind of cap on wages it is on total wages and linked to turnover. Until the remaining silly-contract players leave, there will always be problems. It's a start though, and surely the only way to build. The silver lining is that players like Smith will hardly be in a good bargaining position when their contract is up for re-negotiation. When does his run out? Not soon enough, 2012 i think. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dokko Posted January 14, 2011 Share Posted January 14, 2011 And we all know Mike Ashley has on the back of shirt Ketchup. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Minhosa Posted January 14, 2011 Share Posted January 14, 2011 And we all know Mike Ashley has on the back of shirt Target? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Disco Posted January 14, 2011 Share Posted January 14, 2011 And we all know what Mike Ashley has on the back of his shirt. Worst thing is we didn't even need Smith when we bought him hence him being shoehorned into the team on the wing (shudder-still make me feel ill) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
toon25 Posted January 14, 2011 Share Posted January 14, 2011 Whilst we need new signings, the club's in a pretty strong position financially and I wouldn't want to start compromising that for the likes of Seb Larsson, who doesn't seem to want to be here anyway. Obviously the club is prepared to pay very good wages to very good players. Absolutely right. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdckelly Posted January 14, 2011 Share Posted January 14, 2011 Whilst we need new signings, the club's in a pretty strong position financially and I wouldn't want to start compromising that for the likes of Seb Larsson, who doesn't seem to want to be here anyway. Obviously the club is prepared to pay very good wages to very good players. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Heneage Posted January 14, 2011 Share Posted January 14, 2011 I admit it's very rose tinted, but the fact we can agree a deal with the likes of Tiote and BenArfa makes me think the players who've turned us down over wages are asking for more than they really are worth. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Posted January 14, 2011 Share Posted January 14, 2011 I admit it's very rose tinted, but the fact we can agree a deal with the likes of Tiote and BenArfa makes me think the players who've turned us down over wages are asking for more than they really are worth. What makes you think Tiote is on high wages? Ben Arfa was in a very weak negotiating position too. They're 'worth' the going rate, otherwise you won't get them and someone else will. Quite simple really. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteveMc Posted January 14, 2011 Share Posted January 14, 2011 I admit it's very rose tinted, but the fact we can agree a deal with the likes of Tiote and BenArfa makes me think the players who've turned us down over wages are asking for more than they really are worth. Spot on and we will nwwd to get used to a few disappointments with deals breaking down. It's good stuff though, avoiding the excesses of the past is the way forward for the club. Better if done with a decent maanger, but ho hum. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ponsaelius Posted January 14, 2011 Share Posted January 14, 2011 Highly doubt Tioté is on big wages like. Twente are a very strict, well run club financially. They wont have been paying much to a player who came from Belgian football and was regarded as a squad player. Be very surprised if he's on more than 20k. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteveMc Posted January 14, 2011 Share Posted January 14, 2011 I admit it's very rose tinted, but the fact we can agree a deal with the likes of Tiote and BenArfa makes me think the players who've turned us down over wages are asking for more than they really are worth. What makes you think Tiote is on high wages? Ben Arfa was in a very weak negotiating position too. They're 'worth' the going rate, otherwise you won't get them and someone else will. Quite simple really. Those others may be endangering the future of their clubs with spiralling wage bills though. Granted we may be endangering ours with the risk of another relegation if we don't get the right players in. Hope we can find a happy medium as we seem to have with the likes of tiote. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Stephen927 Posted January 14, 2011 Share Posted January 14, 2011 Highly doubt Tioté is on big wages like. Twente are a very strict, well run club financially. They wont have been paying much to a player who came from Belgian football and was regarded as a squad player. Be very surprised if he's on more than 20k. Aye, but they're not paying him anymore. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Heneage Posted January 14, 2011 Share Posted January 14, 2011 I admit it's very rose tinted, but the fact we can agree a deal with the likes of Tiote and BenArfa makes me think the players who've turned us down over wages are asking for more than they really are worth. What makes you think Tiote is on high wages? Ben Arfa was in a very weak negotiating position too. They're 'worth' the going rate, otherwise you won't get them and someone else will. Quite simple really. I don't think he's on high wages that's exactly my point. If we can get players of that quality to adhere to a good wage then why can't people like Larsson? The sounds of it our wages are all average set wage with lots of bonuses to earn your money. If Larsson's demands were the going rate surely he'd have his future sorted right now wouldn't he? Brum and ourselves have baulked at his demands, says more about him than us imo.. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ponsaelius Posted January 14, 2011 Share Posted January 14, 2011 Highly doubt Tioté is on big wages like. Twente are a very strict, well run club financially. They wont have been paying much to a player who came from Belgian football and was regarded as a squad player. Be very surprised if he's on more than 20k. Aye, but they're not paying him anymore. The wages under previous contract usually dictates to an extent the wages under his next employment. Unfortunately in the past we've been an exception to this norm. He'd have likely been on around 5-10k at Twente, which is why I struggle to see him on over 20k here. Part of the reason our scouting system is in place to find this type of player is they wont add a lot to the wage bill. He is not a high profile and would have been happy to simply make the move to the Premier League. (apologies to Dave for discussing figures) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cronky Posted January 14, 2011 Share Posted January 14, 2011 I suspect that some of the competing clubs like Blackburn, West Ham and Villa, are feeling a bit more desperate and are prepared to pay over the odds in wages at the moment. Longer term, you're liable to end up with a problem. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
leffe186 Posted January 14, 2011 Share Posted January 14, 2011 I suspect that some of the competing clubs like Blackburn, West Ham and Villa, are feeling a bit more desperate and are prepared to pay over the odds in wages at the moment. Longer term, you're liable to end up with a problem. Blackburn without question, West Ham maybe (though the new owners will surely have been shocked by the wage bill coming in) but Villa certainly won't. One of the problems Lerner had with MON seems to have been the excessive wage bill, particularly for players who he wasn't playing. The suggestion is that his unwillingness to cut the wage bill led to him walking out. I can't see Villa paying over the odds, even if they shift players like Carew or Reo-Coker out. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Stephen927 Posted January 14, 2011 Share Posted January 14, 2011 Highly doubt Tioté is on big wages like. Twente are a very strict, well run club financially. They wont have been paying much to a player who came from Belgian football and was regarded as a squad player. Be very surprised if he's on more than 20k. Aye, but they're not paying him anymore. The wages under previous contract usually dictates to an extent the wages under his next employment. Unfortunately in the past we've been an exception to this norm. Based on what the media guess the player is earning? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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