Parky Posted June 19, 2010 Share Posted June 19, 2010 Thing is we didn't have a center of excellence or whatever it's called till two years ago. Italy and France have world class set ups to bring the right knowledge and skill to the players and have had them in place for a decade or more. Every kid in Holland grows up learing to play the system the national side and Ajax play, they start at 12 or summink...Germany's preperation is second to none. Doesn't seem to be doing France much good. Their squad is coming to the end of a very good 10 year cycle. It will be replenished as new talent steps up. It's the new players who are underperforming, tbh. Well they reached the final in 2006 and won it in 1998. They are now going through a period of replacing Viera, Henry, Zidane, Thuram, Barthez etc...It will take a few years till the new team takes shape. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unbelievable Posted June 19, 2010 Share Posted June 19, 2010 Shit finishing.. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frazzle Posted June 19, 2010 Share Posted June 19, 2010 Argentina don't have a centre of excellence like Holland, Italy or France do and yet have managed to produce Higuain, Messi, Aguero, Tevez etc. all in the same generation. Same with Brazil and Ronaldo, Rivaldo and Ronaldinho. I don't think a centre of excellence is the biggest problem. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Keefaz Posted June 19, 2010 Share Posted June 19, 2010 Thing is we didn't have a center of excellence or whatever it's called till two years ago. Italy and France have world class set ups to bring the right knowledge and skill to the players and have had them in place for a decade or more. Every kid in Holland grows up learing to play the system the national side and Ajax play, they start at 12 or summink...Germany's preperation is second to none. Doesn't seem to be doing France much good. Their squad is coming to the end of a very good 10 year cycle. It will be replenished as new talent steps up. It's the new players who are underperforming, tbh. Well they reached the final in 2006 and won it in 1998. They are now going through a period of replacing Viera, Henry, Zidane, Thuram, Barthez etc...It will take a few years till the new team takes shape. Or take a look at the 2002 Argentina team: full of good, technically adept players but were absolutely shite, or Spain teams going back years and years. It's most a mental issue, imo. I don't think the German teams of the past have necessarily been better players, but clearly had greater mental strength. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlufPurdi Posted June 19, 2010 Share Posted June 19, 2010 Thing is we didn't have a center of excellence or whatever it's called till two years ago. Italy and France have world class set ups to bring the right knowledge and skill to the players and have had them in place for a decade or more. Every kid in Holland grows up learing to play the system the national side and Ajax play, they start at 12 or summink...Germany's preperation is second to none. Doesn't seem to be doing France much good. Their squad is coming to the end of a very good 10 year cycle. It will be replenished as new talent steps up. It's the new players who are underperforming, tbh. Well they reached the final in 2006 and won it in 1998. They are now going through a period of replacing Viera, Henry, Zidane, Thuram, Barthez etc...It will take a few years till the new team takes shape. Have to agree with this, France will rise up again. If anything, they're a team lacking in confidence and the youngster need time to develop together like the previous generation. There's also a few of the older lot hanging on, Anelka, Henry etc, which won't allow the others to feel free and express themselves. England really does need a shake-up from the grassroots. People have identified the lack of technique driven training as a problem for years, but due to the PL's overwhelming monetary success there's no drive to change anything from within the FA. All about the mullah. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skeletor Posted June 19, 2010 Share Posted June 19, 2010 Aye Jurgen Klinsmann was saying Germans really enjoy pressure situations whereas it's obvious we crumble like a piece of paper...though obviously with our players being spoiled play boys they don't even try hard enough to choke anyway. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unbelievable Posted June 19, 2010 Share Posted June 19, 2010 s*** finishing.. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kaizero Posted June 19, 2010 Share Posted June 19, 2010 Anelka to Domenech after the Mexico game: "Va te faire enculer, sale fils de pute!" Or, in English, "Go screw yourself, you dirty son of a whore!" Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rich Posted June 19, 2010 Share Posted June 19, 2010 Anelka to Domenech after the Mexico game: "Va te faire enculer, sale fils de pute!" Or, in English, "Go screw yourself, you dirty son of a whore!" Half-time, apparently. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kaizero Posted June 19, 2010 Share Posted June 19, 2010 Anelka to Domenech after the Mexico game: "Va te faire enculer, sale fils de pute!" Or, in English, "Go screw yourself, you dirty son of a whore!" Half-time, apparently. Ah, my bad. Still. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlufPurdi Posted June 19, 2010 Share Posted June 19, 2010 Anelka to Domenech after the Mexico game: "Va te faire enculer, sale fils de pute!" Or, in English, "Go screw yourself, you dirty son of a whore!" Precisely, theirs is a case of disharmony, not an example of the 'technique' argument being waffle. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unbelievable Posted June 19, 2010 Share Posted June 19, 2010 Phew... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldtype Posted June 19, 2010 Share Posted June 19, 2010 What a miss Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unbelievable Posted June 19, 2010 Share Posted June 19, 2010 Should have been a pen imho... Phew.. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kaizero Posted June 19, 2010 Share Posted June 19, 2010 The fuck is with the ref pointing like that, thought it was a pen. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ElDiablo Posted June 19, 2010 Share Posted June 19, 2010 Our lot lack the bottle to deal with the pressure of a WC, that is the biggest problem. All this waffle about poor technique is bollocks. Confidence and ability to handle pressure have crippled England teams for at least the last 12 years or so, and this lot are no different. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Parky Posted June 19, 2010 Share Posted June 19, 2010 Thing is we didn't have a center of excellence or whatever it's called till two years ago. Italy and France have world class set ups to bring the right knowledge and skill to the players and have had them in place for a decade or more. Every kid in Holland grows up learing to play the system the national side and Ajax play, they start at 12 or summink...Germany's preperation is second to none. Doesn't seem to be doing France much good. Their squad is coming to the end of a very good 10 year cycle. It will be replenished as new talent steps up. It's the new players who are underperforming, tbh. Well they reached the final in 2006 and won it in 1998. They are now going through a period of replacing Viera, Henry, Zidane, Thuram, Barthez etc...It will take a few years till the new team takes shape. Or take a look at the 2002 Argentina team: full of good, technically adept players but were absolutely shite, or Spain teams going back years and years. It's most a mental issue, imo. I don't think the German teams of the past have necessarily been better players, but clearly had greater mental strength. Oh, totally agree, it is in large part a metal issue, but having the other support structures in place help in small ways with that. The Germans are indeed a good example. At international level, England management really need to decide once and for all for better or worse how England is going to go about it, either play their natural game with players in their natural positions or a more composed and tactical European way. I still think deep down if even these players really understood and BELIEVED in what Capello is trying to do then the results will come at the business end (qualifying is a different kettle of fish altogether). Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Posted June 19, 2010 Share Posted June 19, 2010 Howay, Japs. Aye. I laughed. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unbelievable Posted June 19, 2010 Share Posted June 19, 2010 Well, that was rather unspectacular, but should be sufficient to see us through to the next round.. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Foluwashola Posted June 19, 2010 Share Posted June 19, 2010 Holland playing shit yet beating decent teams. Sigh...... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shak Posted June 19, 2010 Share Posted June 19, 2010 Another unconvincing win for Holland. Need to sort out their formation/tactics before they meet someone good, if they do they'll be a tough opponent for anyone. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frazzle Posted June 19, 2010 Share Posted June 19, 2010 A lot of it is down to luck (maybe not exactly the right word) as well. England are still within the 6-8 teams who have a realistic chance of winning the WC. Comparing France and England since 1990: 1990: England (SF), France (DNQ) 1994: England (DNQ), France (DNQ) 1998: England (Round of 16), France (Winner) 2002: England (QF), France (Groups) 2006: England (QF), France (Final) 2010: England (?), France (?) With a bit of luck we would've win in 1990 maybe even 2002, these things happen. All it takes is one bad game and there's another 4 years to wait. We should still be glad we are one of 8(?) countries to win the WC. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldtype Posted June 19, 2010 Share Posted June 19, 2010 Best performance in about a year for the Japanese. Too bad it didn't matter. Holland would be a great team if they could just sort out their "4 CMs and Kuyt" midfield. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
GM Posted June 19, 2010 Share Posted June 19, 2010 What's the logic of putting up England flags with ABE on them? Similar sort of logic as scrawling a swastika on an Israeli flag, really... Or putting a skull on the Israeli flag ? What? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Parky Posted June 19, 2010 Share Posted June 19, 2010 As Bluf insinuated earlier the money machine that is the PL and all the huff and puff that goes with that, really doesn't breed players with a deeper understanding of the game. You could just take Rich's football brain and put it in our midfielders and we'd be unstoppable once they mastered trapping and passing like. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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