Guest VaVaVoom Posted December 19, 2011 Share Posted December 19, 2011 I am so sick to death of this crap that gets spewed - "prodigious talent", "gifted", everyone else is shite in comparison. He has made two, count 'em TWO appearances as a sub for France in the last 2 and a half seasons. You have to go all the way back to the heady days of 2007 if you wanted to see him get an International start (unfortunately, you wouldn't see hiom finish as he was generally subbed off at aroung 75 minutes). The guy is possibly just slightly above average but we don't know that because he can't seem to earn a place in the team. I am not part of the youtube generation that drools over tribute compilations lasting 2 minutes. All I can go by is what he does when we see him play and also what the coaches and manager deem him worthy of. It is entirely comical that Obertan is shit, Jonas is shit, Shola is shit, Sami is shit, Vuckic is shit, etc. etc. Guess what children, they are ahead of Ben Arfa because they are more deserving of a place PERIOD. Glorify him all you want but the fact is he hasn't earned it. You are a fuckin moron. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Parky Posted December 19, 2011 Share Posted December 19, 2011 Pardew doesn't lie. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fenham Mag Posted December 19, 2011 Share Posted December 19, 2011 Can't see Pardew being happy with that headline. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tooj Posted December 19, 2011 Share Posted December 19, 2011 The thing is though, if he's not upto speed, then how is he going to get back to the level he once was? Being an unused sub certainly isn't going to help him in anyway, that's for certain. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest mimifrench Posted December 19, 2011 Share Posted December 19, 2011 Pardew doesn't lie. There's something wrong, at least, with him. I don't know him very well tbh, you surely know him better than me and know what he did with his previous clubs/teams and players. Every time I watch an interview of him or whatever, he seems to have that "false" smile in his face that leads me to feel he's lying or hiding something... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skeletor Posted December 19, 2011 Share Posted December 19, 2011 Pardew doesn't lie. There's something wrong, at least, with him. I don't know him very well tbh, you surely know him better than me and know what he did with his previous clubs/teams and players. Every time I watch an interview of him or whatever, he seems to have that "false" smile in his face that leads me to feel he's lying or hiding something... He used to have sex with player's girlfriends at Southampton. He also kept Tevez and Mascherano on the bench for West Ham. http://news.bbcimg.co.uk/media/images/50361000/jpg/_50361002_pardew.jpg Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ritchie Posted December 19, 2011 Share Posted December 19, 2011 Less than ten pages to a thousand. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest mimifrench Posted December 19, 2011 Share Posted December 19, 2011 Pardew doesn't lie. There's something wrong, at least, with him. I don't know him very well tbh, you surely know him better than me and know what he did with his previous clubs/teams and players. Every time I watch an interview of him or whatever, he seems to have that "false" smile in his face that leads me to feel he's lying or hiding something... He used to have sex with player's girlfriends at Southampton. He also kept Tevez and Mascherano on the bench for West Ham. http://news.bbcimg.co.uk/media/images/50361000/jpg/_50361002_pardew.jpg Seriously or are you joking ? If so, Ben arfa surely refused to let him to be with his girlfriend... Didn't think of that assumption. It's clearer now... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cajun Posted December 19, 2011 Share Posted December 19, 2011 Pardew's playing it clever, he knows we sell anyone half decent so if he never plays Ben Arfa we will never sell Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest BlacknWhiteArmy Posted December 19, 2011 Share Posted December 19, 2011 "I think he will find his best form before the end of the season but how quickly that is I do not know" Fucking play him then Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fenham Mag Posted December 19, 2011 Share Posted December 19, 2011 Ben Arfa gets warning from Newcastle boss Published 22:30 19/12/11 By Simon Bird Newcastle's Hatem Ben Arfa has been ordered to raise his game by boss Alan Pardew. The Toon manager has denied there is any “rift or problems” with the winger. But the £5million France international has failed to win a first team spot recently and even saw 19-year-old Haris Vuckic called off the subs' bench before him at the weekend. Ben Arfa is known to be a tough character to deal with and Newcastle have made their dressing-room team spirit a strength this season. But Pardew insists Ben Arfa’s omission is down to his “stats”, and reckons he needs his entire squad at “full tilt” to pick him. Newcastle look defensively more vulnerable with Ben Arfa in the side and concentrating on attack. He is also coming back from his double leg break last season. Pardew explained: “I know there have been suggestions, rumours, that he isn’t happy here, but it’s just not true. “He’s fine, I think he knows he’s not at his best yet and the stats in the game he has played, I would expect better from him because of what a good player he is. “He just needs to come up a level. "It’s not about his relationship with the other players, you’re looking too deeply into this, he’s just a player who needs more time. “I think he will find his best form before the end of the season but how quickly that is I don’t know. I’ll use him as I see fit, I didn’t use him on Saturday because I didn’t think the situation was right. It’s as simple as that. “He’s an individual character in terms of his personality on the pitch, but in terms of that we still have situations where we need to be at full tilt to put him in the team and we’re not quite there at the moment. “We were a lot better Saturday and the chances of him being involved on Wednesday against West Brom are a lot higher because of how strong we looked defensively against Swansea. We looked like our old selves. “Of course, it didn’t help we had defensive injuries, because that has affected Hatem as well. "To lose your three first choice centre-halves for the Norwich game hurts, because Hatem is the type of player you need a strong base to bring out the best in him and to protect ourselves. "Saturday was the first time since Manchester United that we looked like a solid team. “He is just lacking that bit of sharpness. I don’t think it is a case of accommodating him. We look different when he is in the side and it needs to turn into a positive for us which I think it can do. “Fingers crossed for Hatem that happens for him and us because if we can get him back to his very best we have an exceptional player.” The lack of progress in tying down skipper Fabricio Coloccini on a new long-term deal has been a concern, but Pardew says he wants it sorted out by the end of the winter transfer window. The Argentine is a crucial figure on and off the pitch, and has even been offered a lucrative contract despite his cuurent age, 29, meaning he will have little resale value when it expires. Coloccini has 18 months left on his current contract and the fear is United could cash in if a £10million bid was tabled, although United’s moneymen say they are not looking to sell. Pardew has has made signing a centre-half his No1 priority for January, and watched FC Twente defender Douglas Franco Teixeira at the weekend. On Coloccini's contract, the Newcastle boss said: “We’ve not been told no [he doesn’t want to sign it]. We hope by the time the transfer window ends that situation will have been resolved.” Pardew has also killed off hopes of a return to Newcastle for Liverpool’s out of favour striker Andy Carroll, who moved from the Toon to Anfield last January for £35m. A swap deal has been rumoured on Merseyside, but Pardew said: “There has been no dialogue at boardroom level or managerial level between us and Liverpool.” Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cajun Posted December 19, 2011 Share Posted December 19, 2011 All sounds fair enough to me. That said I don't see what Sammy would have added differently to HBA when coming off the bench. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlanSkÃrare Posted December 19, 2011 Share Posted December 19, 2011 That back page from the Echo is so fucking terrible, shame on them. Hope he comes on and contributes with an assist or a goal. Will raise his confidence and status with Pardew. We are yet to see him as blistering as he was that day at Goodison, his pace and urgency then was magic, just want to see him against someone else than Manchester United or City, it's hard to prove yourself against those sides after a year out. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smal Posted December 19, 2011 Share Posted December 19, 2011 I'm way more concerned by those quotes about Colo at the bottom of the Mirror article Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skeletor Posted December 19, 2011 Share Posted December 19, 2011 So what do Obertan's 'stats' look like exactly? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest icemanblue Posted December 19, 2011 Share Posted December 19, 2011 I can understand what Pardew means about having a solid defensive base in order to get the best from him. I don't think he'll start on Wednesday, with Cabaye missing. Unless we go with Abeid. Makes a lot of sense. However, he's walked right in to a classic journalists trap. The quotes were bound to be given a negative spin, because the press could sense our increasing frustration with him not being involved. Sensible, logical decision making does not make a very good story. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Newcastle Fan Posted December 19, 2011 Share Posted December 19, 2011 He means Ben Arfa will lose the ball a lot and we'll need players who are able to get it back. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fenham Mag Posted December 19, 2011 Share Posted December 19, 2011 So what do Obertan's 'stats' look like exactly? Something like a wide receiver's in NFL. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smal Posted December 19, 2011 Share Posted December 19, 2011 So what do Obertan's 'stats' look like exactly? Better pass completion than Cabaye on Saturday Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Disco Posted December 19, 2011 Share Posted December 19, 2011 The Northern Echo makes the Chronicle look like the Times to be fair. Not even a Newcastle paper FFS. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flip Posted December 19, 2011 Share Posted December 19, 2011 So what do Obertan's 'stats' look like exactly? Better pass completion than Cabaye on Saturday thats says fuck all really. Easy to pass the ball to someone behind you. Cabaye at leas plays his heart out. Obertan is fucking shite. Pisses me off people praising his 1st half. Hes a terrible footballer who relies on his pace. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Posted December 19, 2011 Share Posted December 19, 2011 All sounds fair enough to me. That said I don't see what Sammy would have added differently to HBA when coming off the bench. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Disco Posted December 19, 2011 Share Posted December 19, 2011 All sounds fair enough to me. That said I don't see what Sammy would have added differently to HBA when coming off the bench. Hard work over natural ability. :grimface: Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
taxfree Posted December 19, 2011 Share Posted December 19, 2011 Like Obertan doesn't give it away just as much It's not like he always tracks back either, and when he does, don't put your money on him getting stuck in. Add to that, that he brings next to nothing going forward, Ben Arfa is due his chance. Some silly words from Pardew there. I don't care if Ben Arfa is not up to his best. As I said, he's due his chance, and he needs to play to get back to his best. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cajun Posted December 19, 2011 Share Posted December 19, 2011 I like Sammy a lot but his hard work is miles and miles apart from say Jonas. Sammy will run around a lot but sometimes that isn't a good thing (I fully appreciate you know this). Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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