Dokko Posted August 4, 2013 Share Posted August 4, 2013 I'm not liking this Sports Direct news thing. It's a bag of wank like. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wallace Posted August 4, 2013 Share Posted August 4, 2013 What's the point of subscribing to the official website if they are giving all the exclusives to SDN? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
themanupstairs Posted August 4, 2013 Share Posted August 4, 2013 Tiote in a nutshell. We'll go nowhere with such players. Utter bollocks. On current form he shouldn't be starting for us, in a position I'd agree that we don't need to find a place for in every game. But he's not hopeless by any means, and can be useful if used in the right way by a competent manager. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ronaldo Posted August 4, 2013 Share Posted August 4, 2013 Used to do what, angry man? He had a reasonably competent manager at Twente who used him in exactly the right way - on the bench. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
themanupstairs Posted August 4, 2013 Share Posted August 4, 2013 Used to do what, angry man? He had a reasonably competent manager at Twente who used him in exactly the right way - on the bench. Not arguing that he should be an automatic starter. Certainly not on his form all of last season and large parts of the season we finished 5th. But he did have some incredible performances when tactically, he was needed (Man Utd 3-0 at home comes to mind). Not sure if you would bin him entirely because you think he's hopeless or not. I just disagree that he's a player "we'll go nowhere" with. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ronaldo Posted August 4, 2013 Share Posted August 4, 2013 He'll drag us down if he's a regular. He slows down play, gives away goals with his recklessness and is generally an accident waiting to happen in the games in which he's noticeable, ie not at home against the sides we should be beating. I'd play him away at OT etc when we could do with another body in there to upset the opposition and generally spoil. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
sturla Posted August 4, 2013 Share Posted August 4, 2013 2 years ago he was a god on this forum, people were genuinely worried that someone would come with a offer of 15m and we would loose him. Now he's a liability. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
madras Posted August 4, 2013 Share Posted August 4, 2013 the truth will be somewhere between the two. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ronaldo Posted August 5, 2013 Share Posted August 5, 2013 Given that you yourself said a while back that he'd been figured out and couldn't be trusted under pressure I'd say you think the truth's pretty close to what I've been saying. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
madras Posted August 5, 2013 Share Posted August 5, 2013 Given that you yourself said a while back that he'd been figured out and couldn't be trusted under pressure I'd say you think the truth's pretty close to what I've been saying. that dosent mean a player can't adapt. he's got basics which he is good at, in his case covering in front of the defence which coulkd be ideal with attacking full backs of the santon/debuchy style (tiote could sink back to spread the centre halves and allow them to push on) hes defintly been sussed on the ball as a standard centre mid picking the ball up of the centre halves. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted August 5, 2013 Share Posted August 5, 2013 If we want the best out of someone like Cabaye (ie, playing further up the pitch like most people seem to want on here), you need the other midfielder to be trusted to have a bit of ability behind him and have a range of passing too, otherwise, Cabaye will always drop deep if Tiote's game is just going to be about winning the ball and giving it to someone else. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ExiledGeordie Posted August 5, 2013 Share Posted August 5, 2013 If we want the best out of someone like Cabaye (ie, playing further up the pitch like most people seem to want on here), you need the other midfielder to be trusted to have a bit of ability behind him and have a range of passing too, otherwise, Cabaye will always drop deep if Tiote's game is just going to be about winning the ball and giving it to someone else. Yeah that's a good point about Tiote but surely that's where someone like Sissoko would come in handy if he was played in his proper position. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The College Dropout Posted August 5, 2013 Share Posted August 5, 2013 Is there a player in a top league with feet as slow as Cabaye's, that plays an advanced midfield position? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ronaldo Posted August 5, 2013 Share Posted August 5, 2013 Is there a player in a top league with feet as slow as Cabaye's, that plays an advanced midfield position? No, there isn't. Cabaye isn't suited to playing that high up the field. He'd do well in a partnership in which the other player is able to get forward. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
pi_D Posted August 5, 2013 Share Posted August 5, 2013 Gylfi Sigurðsson Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrmojorisin75 Posted August 6, 2013 Share Posted August 6, 2013 He'll drag us down if he's a regular. He slows down play, gives away goals with his recklessness and is generally an accident waiting to happen in the games in which he's noticeable, ie not at home against the sides we should be beating. I'd play him away at OT etc when we could do with another body in there to upset the opposition and generally spoil. fixable qualities imo if he's coached properly...coach him to win the ball using his physique legally and when he's got the ball coach him to move it fast to one of our players who has made space for the short pass....and tell him to do nothing else whatsoever i mean you could fix that in training ffs, repeat drills of him winning the ball off someone then being put under immediate pressure by 2 players...anyone on here think they've even once tried to address it, even a little bit? i agree i'd get rid in an ideal world, but to say that his current flaws can't be changed isn't right imo Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The College Dropout Posted August 6, 2013 Share Posted August 6, 2013 Is there a player in a top league with feet as slow as Cabaye's, that plays an advanced midfield position? No, there isn't. Cabaye isn't suited to playing that high up the field. He'd do well in a partnership in which the other player is able to get forward. This is true. I would say he needs someone who plays pretty deep as well, to do some of his running for him. A Khedira, Mascherano... Tiote. Then another who aims to get forward - whether that's Marv or Siss. If it's just Cabaye and Siss/Marv - Cabaye has too much running to do. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The College Dropout Posted August 6, 2013 Share Posted August 6, 2013 Gylfi Sigurðsson He just shoots though. I don't think he has Cabaye's passing capabilities. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kanj Posted August 6, 2013 Share Posted August 6, 2013 Is there a player in a top league with feet as slow as Cabaye's, that plays an advanced midfield position? No, there isn't. Cabaye isn't suited to playing that high up the field. He'd do well in a partnership in which the other player is able to get forward. This is true. I would say he needs someone who plays pretty deep as well, to do some of his running for him. A Khedira, Mascherano... Tiote. Then another who aims to get forward - whether that's Marv or Siss. If it's just Cabaye and Siss/Marv - Cabaye has too much running to do. Would it not work to have an Anita (all things being equal and he sort of adapts to show the tackling/reading of game that he showed at Ajax) with Sissoko and Cabaye? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The College Dropout Posted August 6, 2013 Share Posted August 6, 2013 Is there a player in a top league with feet as slow as Cabaye's, that plays an advanced midfield position? No, there isn't. Cabaye isn't suited to playing that high up the field. He'd do well in a partnership in which the other player is able to get forward. This is true. I would say he needs someone who plays pretty deep as well, to do some of his running for him. A Khedira, Mascherano... Tiote. Then another who aims to get forward - whether that's Marv or Siss. If it's just Cabaye and Siss/Marv - Cabaye has too much running to do. Would it not work to have an Anita (all things being equal and he sort of adapts to show the tackling/reading of game that he showed at Ajax) with Sissoko and Cabaye? With no hint of irony - does he have the tackle/engine/presence to relieve the defensive pressure on Cabaye? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The College Dropout Posted August 6, 2013 Share Posted August 6, 2013 At Ajax, I saw him start attacks - that he can do very well. But the other side - I haven't seen it from him. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The College Dropout Posted August 6, 2013 Share Posted August 6, 2013 I mention tackle because I haven't seen Sissoko attempt one in a dozen or so games. Marv looks scared to engage in one. And if Cabaye is the steel man in midfield, he'll play poorly and get ran ragged. Even with James Perch, Cabaye had to do too much lateral movement. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kanj Posted August 6, 2013 Share Posted August 6, 2013 Think he's got the pace to get left to right and cover the space - snuffing out the danger before it happens, and then using his good passing ability to get it up field. We don't need to have a true on defensive midfielder, we need someone competent at covering when we lose the ball but also offers offensively as well, like you said, ability to start attacks. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The College Dropout Posted August 6, 2013 Share Posted August 6, 2013 Okay - but can he put a foot in? Is he going to provide cover fro the defence and midfield? Will he take the burden off Cabaye? I haven't seen it. We look a soft touch in midfield when i've seen him. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kanj Posted August 6, 2013 Share Posted August 6, 2013 that's what I'm trying to say dude, yes, I think he can do those things evidenced by his body of work over the years in Ajax and some of his best performances for us. I also alluded that I hope his better qualities shine as he adapts more to the league, his teammates and under a hopefully non toxic environment our squad were in all of last year. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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