Shak Posted November 29, 2012 Share Posted November 29, 2012 There's literally no reason at all that we can't play Marveaux in the Cabaye role, though. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AyeDubbleYoo Posted November 29, 2012 Share Posted November 29, 2012 I think there was a point where most people wanted to see Tiote do more going forward. It's just now we've realised it's a terrible idea. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The College Dropout Posted November 29, 2012 Share Posted November 29, 2012 don't care if Giggs, but thought this was a rare good read from fourfourtwo. Needs to be sorted asap. http://fourfourtwo.com/blogs/statszone/archive/2012/11/26/newcastle-failing-because-tiote-s-passing-statistics-don-t-cheik-out.aspx This is largely not his personal fault. He's basically our playmaker at this point. We all saw it coming, Tiote would receive the ball more and he would be forced to attempt hollywood balls because the strikers are so far away and he'll be the only one to try and make something happen. He's not being told to keep it simple and his long passes is him trying to push the game. I don't mind the box-to-box aspect. He's a powerhouse and always shows for the ball but he should be told and have the option to keep it simple. You want him to flex on the opposition but keep it simple when he's on the ball. Agree with the Parker comparison. Roeder thought he was our Stevie G and Parker was never that. Furthermore, Parker like Tiote doesn't hide in football matches therefore he's very visible for criticism. If Tiote is the destroyer, creator and engine what does Jonas do? from the youtube videos of Anita he's the most pure DM we have. Anita the Dm, Tiote box to box, Cabaye with more attacking intent. imo. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mole_Toonfan Posted November 29, 2012 Share Posted November 29, 2012 Thing is Tiote doesn't give the ball away due to hollywood passes he gives the ball away through simple 2 yard sideways passes. It's the simple shit he's struggling with. I also don't believe he would be successful as a box to box. ( i would actually have more faith in Jonas in that role) If we want to use Anita as DM, Cabaye with more attacking intent then i think we need to buy a box to box midfielder as we don't really have any. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AyeDubbleYoo Posted November 29, 2012 Share Posted November 29, 2012 I don't think you need a box-to-box midfielder TBH. If you have a good DM platform and a good playmaker (Cabaye), along with HBA, you're OK. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The College Dropout Posted November 29, 2012 Share Posted November 29, 2012 Would be nice to see a Tiote-Cabaye-HBA trident. Either way Tiote should keep it simple and IMO he should be told not to do that if he's taken it on his own behest. His short passes according to the stats are pretty decent, especially the lateral passes. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mole_Toonfan Posted November 29, 2012 Share Posted November 29, 2012 I don't think you need a box-to-box midfielder TBH. If you have a good DM platform and a good playmaker (Cabaye), along with HBA, you're OK. Most people want 3 in midfield no? then surely we would need a link between the DM and Cabaye.... whether that's a box to box midfielder linking through his runs or a playmaker linking through with his passes. I do feel the midfield needs a complete overhaul, also not convinced Tiote and Anita can work long term. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smal Posted November 29, 2012 Share Posted November 29, 2012 Thing is Tiote doesn't give the ball away due to hollywood passes don't agree with this like. Have a read of that fourfourtwo article. It highlights how he's playing loads more long passes than he used to and his accuracy is shocking. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mole_Toonfan Posted November 29, 2012 Share Posted November 29, 2012 Honestly i was basing that on recent weeks not on the season as a whole.... recent game's i have seen him give the ball away with simple 2 yard passes more often than hollywood passes. I won't deny he has done overall this season though, he use to play it simple and was very accurate in past seasons but this season he can't even do that. To think we supposedly turned down 15m+ offers for him Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ExiledGeordie Posted November 29, 2012 Share Posted November 29, 2012 He used to be a much more tidy player and kept things simple. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The College Dropout Posted November 29, 2012 Share Posted November 29, 2012 I think this is all down to Pardew & the Fat Man. Pardew should tell Tiote to keep it simple and the Fat Man should have signed another midfielder who will look to make things happen like Guthrie attempted instead of another DM. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wullie Posted November 29, 2012 Share Posted November 29, 2012 If they want to play a decent game on the ground, I don't think a team has room for a defensive midfielder as such in a 4-4-2 unless the other three are really outstanding attackers. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deuce Posted November 29, 2012 Share Posted November 29, 2012 Thing is Tiote doesn't give the ball away due to hollywood passes he gives the ball away through simple 2 yard sideways passes. It's the simple shit he's struggling with. I also don't believe he would be successful as a box to box. ( i would actually have more faith in Jonas in that role) If we want to use Anita as DM, Cabaye with more attacking intent then i think we need to buy a box to box midfielder as we don't really have any. Sissoko, Sissoko, Sissoko! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mole_Toonfan Posted November 29, 2012 Share Posted November 29, 2012 Thing is Tiote doesn't give the ball away due to hollywood passes he gives the ball away through simple 2 yard sideways passes. It's the simple s*** he's struggling with. I also don't believe he would be successful as a box to box. ( i would actually have more faith in Jonas in that role) If we want to use Anita as DM, Cabaye with more attacking intent then i think we need to buy a box to box midfielder as we don't really have any. Sissoko, Sissoko, Sissoko! Indeed lol but at the moment i don't even trust the board to get that over the line Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheHoob Posted November 29, 2012 Share Posted November 29, 2012 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ronaldo Posted November 29, 2012 Share Posted November 29, 2012 If they want to play a decent game on the ground, I don't think a team has room for a defensive midfielder as such in a 4-4-2 unless the other three are really outstanding attackers. That's the thing. We're essentially playing 2 defensive midfielders if Jonas and Tiote are in there. One of which can't really defend much. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiresias Posted November 29, 2012 Share Posted November 29, 2012 If they want to play a decent game on the ground, I don't think a team has room for a defensive midfielder as such in a 4-4-2 unless the other three are really outstanding attackers. That's the thing. We're essentially playing 2 defensive midfielders if Jonas and Tiote are in there. One of which can't really defend much. more annoyingly neither can attack much. It's like stoke's central midfielders, really not there to do much. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spudil Posted November 29, 2012 Share Posted November 29, 2012 If they want to play a decent game on the ground, I don't think a team has room for a defensive midfielder as such in a 4-4-2 unless the other three are really outstanding attackers. That's the thing. We're essentially playing 2 defensive midfielders if Jonas and Tiote are in there. One of which can't really defend much. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oakie Doke Posted December 3, 2012 Share Posted December 3, 2012 needs to shoot more. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Venkman Posted December 3, 2012 Share Posted December 3, 2012 I felt the first creeping feelings of resentment towards him today. 1 challenge away from a yellow within 3 minutes and all those ridiculous long range shots. Irritating. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted December 3, 2012 Share Posted December 3, 2012 If we sold him in January, and got say, Sissoko & Debuchy with the cash, would people take it? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest neesy111 Posted December 3, 2012 Share Posted December 3, 2012 If we sold him in January, and got say, Sissoko & Debuchy with the cash, would people take it? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spider Jerusalem Posted December 3, 2012 Share Posted December 3, 2012 A couple of years ago having Tiote taken off at half time would have been unthinkable - tonight it was a relief. He was going to be the ref's best option to 'even it up' and unless it was an injury was actually an astute move from Pardew. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dokko Posted December 3, 2012 Share Posted December 3, 2012 If we sold him in January, and got say, Sissoko & Debuchy with the cash, would people take it? Chuck in Douglas then aye. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ikon Posted December 3, 2012 Share Posted December 3, 2012 If we sold him in January, and got say, Sissoko & Debuchy with the cash, would people take it? I would Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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