Steven Taylor (now retired)

[Guest bimpy474]

It was just a joke by the way.

And a good one!

 

Just before anyone says it, I'm not saying it's alright to be horrible to fat people

 

I hint at it, well more out of fear as she is a big woman, hands like Andre the Giant like.

[Guest bimpy474]

 

 

On a slightly related point, take note of all the white people saying they see nothing wrong with, and aren't offended by this kind of crap.

 

What has happened is probably a joke between friends which wasn't intended as racism, one of those on the receiving end has said as much.  Why should white people be offended if somebody on the receiving end isn't?

 

Get a grip.

 

Not really my point, old chap: my problem is with people who've probably never had to deal with racism at all telling people that have what they should/shouldn't be offended by.

 

 

Fair point, one of my longest friends is Indian, I watched him get racially abused at school, under the guise of banter, mickey taking. Looking back it was hideous stuff and so wrong.

 

Then I've watched my same friend get chucked out of a nightclub for being drunk and acting like a dick. Then accuse the bouncers of chucking him out because he was brown (his words at the time, not mine).

[Theregulars]

It's just so unnecessary.

[Mick]

 

 

Racism is not about ignorance.

 

In any case.. I believe Taylor's compared a few of our black lads to a darkened-up man with comic Gollywogesque lips, some type of tribal African man and some other black dude for good measure. If that's not ignorant I don't know what is.

 

If racism wasn't about ignorance, what was it about? 

 

I'm not trying to defend Taylor, he's a prick for what he's done, I'm just not convinced that he's guilty of anything more than having nowt between his ears.

[Wullie]

He should have included a picture of an Aga cooker.

[Mick]

 

 

Not really my point, old chap: my problem is with people who've probably never had to deal with racism at all telling people that have what they should/shouldn't be offended by.

 

 

That's fair enough, I've said as much myself that I haven't been on the wrong end of racism, I haven't been on either end of it.  I think the fact that those who were on the receiving end of Taylor's poor attempt of humour weren't offended by it should put it to bed as they know the context of it.

 

People have compared Taylor to Ferdinand, Ferdinand used "Choc-ice" as an insult, it doesn't appear that Taylor was attempting to insult anybody, although he has.

[Guest Howaythetoon]

What he tweeted was/is unacceptable because as Parky said you cannot, not in this day and age, take the piss out of people by way of their skin color, certainly not in public. But lets not get carried away here and start crediting Taylor as a racist or punish him for racism. That he posted was silly and inappropriate, and offensive. He needs to know that. But if he gets labeled a racist and punished as one that's just taking things too far. I mean there is lots of racial innuendo on here with regards the posters Mike and Oldtype... where do we stop?!

 

 

[Guest Howaythetoon]

Not really my point, old chap: my problem is with people who've probably never had to deal with racism at all telling people that have what they should/shouldn't be offended by.

 

 

Just because someone hasn't had to deal with racism before doesn't mean they can't have an opinion on the issue.

 

[brummie]

I tell you what, racism is the one thing I'd like to see kicked out of society more than almost anything, but if one thing runs it close, it is the use of the word "banter", closely followed by the idiots who use it all the time.

 

 

[Sifu]

What was going through Taylor's fucking mind when he decided to post that?! Fucking idiot. Personally think he needs to be punished for that as he's essentially given the club the wrong sort of publicity (especially when he's pretty much has it in his head that he's some sort of "Super Geordie").

 

Pretty sure he's not racist but what he is is a thick cunt

[Dave]

Basically you don't make jokes about colour, it really is that simple. And shows just how simple Saylor is to do it.

 

 

Monumentally thick thing to do.

[Unbelievable]

Release a statement that he's sorry to have offended people and offer his week's wages to a charity for racism awareness or something, and be done with it. Personally I'm more disturbed by the fact that any hint at "racism" (by which I mean distinguishing between races of human beings, not hatred based on skin colour) still elicites this type of reaction from the general public than by his actual tweet. Whilst incredibly stupid (because of going against PC standards using a public medium) and criminally unfunny, I don't think there was any intent to offend. Much ado about nothing.

[Super Duper Branko Strupar]

What an absolute fucking card.

[Guest Howaythetoon]

Release a statement that he's sorry to have offended people and offer his week's wages to a charity for racism awareness or something, and be done with it. Personally I'm more disturbed by the fact that any hint at "racism" (by which I mean distinguishing between races of human beings, not hatred based on skin colour) still elicites this type of reaction from the general public than by his actual tweet. Whilst incredibly stupid (because of going against PC standards using a public medium) and criminally unfunny, I don't think there was any intent to offend. Much ado about nothing.

[AyeDubbleYoo]

Basically you don't make jokes about colour, it really is that simple. And shows just how simple Saylor is to do it.

 

 

Monumentally thick thing to do.

 

It's not really that simple. You can make jokes about colour, for example banter between a group of friends of different races. Maybe that is what Taylor is doing here, unless you talk to them you can't really know. The monumentally thick thing was publishing that photo on Twitter, a global public forum.

[Guest bimpy474]

Basically you don't make jokes about colour, it really is that simple. And shows just how simple Saylor is to do it.

 

 

Monumentally thick thing to do.

 

It's not really that simple. You can make jokes about colour, for example banter between a group of friends of different races. Maybe that is what Taylor is doing here, unless you talk to them you can't really know. The monumentally thick thing was publishing that photo on Twitter, a global public forum.

 

That's how i meant it Ian, in the public eye type if thing. Even then it's iffy in private but i suppose that something different race friends determine between themselves, if it offends.

[The College Dropout]

I'll tell you now. There not a friend of my that could post that type of thing about me and not receive a swift blow to the jaw.

 

The lads not taking offence doesn't matter to me at all. They could be as dumb as Saylor for all I know.  Or they could be great mates and have offensive banter between themselves. 

 

[AyeDubbleYoo]

I'll tell you now. There not a friend of my that could post that type of thing about me and not receive a swift blow to the jaw.

 

The lads not taking offence doesn't matter to me at all. They could be as dumb as Saylor for all I know.  Or they could be great mates and have offensive banter between themselves. 

 

 

To be fair (although we don't know the specifics) it wouldn't be the first time someone of one race has had to play along and humour someone else's idiotic joke for social reasons. I've seen that happen many times.

 

That's the slight complexity in situations like this. Anita and co might feel they have to play along with Saylor's thick antics even though it actually makes them very uncomfortable. The ideal situation is that Taylor has a half a brain and doesn't put them in that position in the first place.

 

 

[Guest bimpy474]

I'll tell you now. There not a friend of my that could post that type of thing about me and not receive a swift blow to the jaw.

 

The lads not taking offence doesn't matter to me at all. They could be as dumb as Saylor for all I know.  Or they could be great mates and have offensive banter between themselves. 

 

 

Obviously that isn't the type of thing that's meant. Why does this have to turn into. If he did this, if he did that. FFS.

 

My friend used to use the Frank Bruno line to another friend of ours (a black man), we off on holiday to top up our tans. Our friend took no offence, as none was meant. That's the type of stuff that is ok between friends if they are comfortable with it.

 

Christ why is everything a worst case scenario all the fucking time.

[Toondave]

Racism is alive and kicking in many parts of the world and makes life a misery for many, but to label this as the same thing that sees people killed and beaten up elsewhere is almost as stupid as bringing up slavery and colonialism. we've moved on ffs. this isn't racism is just fuckwittery.

[Cajun]

I'll tell you now. There not a friend of my that could post that type of thing about me and not receive a swift blow to the jaw.

 

The lads not taking offence doesn't matter to me at all. They could be as dumb as Saylor for all I know.  Or they could be great mates and have offensive banter between themselves. 

 

 

To be fair (although we don't know the specifics) it wouldn't be the first time someone of one race has had to play along and humour someone else's idiotic joke for social reasons. I've seen that happen many times.

 

 

 

Here, Mike, x1000

[thomas]

Release a statement that he's sorry to have offended people and offer his week's wages to a charity for racism awareness or something, and be done with it. Personally I'm more disturbed by the fact that any hint at "racism" (by which I mean distinguishing between races of human beings, not hatred based on skin colour) still elicites this type of reaction from the general public than by his actual tweet. Whilst incredibly stupid (because of going against PC standards using a public medium) and criminally unfunny, I don't think there was any intent to offend. Much ado about nothing.

I don't get these constant criticisms of those taking offense tbh.

 

Are they supposed to apply some kind of social triage to these situations and only yell about the big ones that you tell them they can care about and ignore everything else? Does reading that sentence help highlight the ludicrous nature of your criticism?

 

That some ills are worse than others doesn't mean anyone has to keep quiet about the small ones and only shout about the large ones. Indeed it's the accumulation of these small social ills that can give rise to larger ones and they are every bit as much worth calling out when they happen.

[B-more Mag]

So he posted that in response to jokes that he's bad at French. And his response is to make a jibe about them being black. I'm sure he's really just a dimwit, but nonetheless it plays off the notion that there's something undesirable about being black. Otherwise it's just a nonsensical observation about colors in response to a jibe.

 

[KaKa]

So he posted that in response to jokes that he's bad at French. And his response is to make a jibe about them being black. I'm sure he's really just a dimwit, but nonetheless it plays off the notion that there's something undesirable about being black. Otherwise it's just a nonsensical observation about colors in response to a jibe.

 

 

The context of him saying that to them definitely makes it a lot worse. Something definitely off about his line of thinking.

[AyeDubbleYoo]

Release a statement that he's sorry to have offended people and offer his week's wages to a charity for racism awareness or something, and be done with it. Personally I'm more disturbed by the fact that any hint at "racism" (by which I mean distinguishing between races of human beings, not hatred based on skin colour) still elicites this type of reaction from the general public than by his actual tweet. Whilst incredibly stupid (because of going against PC standards using a public medium) and criminally unfunny, I don't think there was any intent to offend. Much ado about nothing.

I don't get these constant criticisms of those taking offense tbh.

 

Are they supposed to apply some kind of social triage to these situations and only yell about the big ones that you tell them they can care about and ignore everything else? Does reading that sentence help highlight the ludicrous nature of your criticism?

 

That some ills are worse than others doesn't mean anyone has to keep quiet about the small ones and only shout about the large ones. Indeed it's the accumulation of these small social ills that can give rise to larger ones and they are every bit as much worth calling out when they happen.