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For all the (deserved) criticism he's had this season, that clearence off the line in the last couple of minutes at Villa is probably the most important kick of a ball for us this seaon.

 

I'd perhaps agree if it wasn't about to be saved by Krul anyway.

 

Ya but we can only assess the value of that contribution based on what actually happened not 'if's scneario.

 

I've just told you what actually happened.

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For all the (deserved) criticism he's had this season, that clearence off the line in the last couple of minutes at Villa is probably the most important kick of a ball for us this seaon.

 

I'd perhaps agree if it wasn't about to be saved by Krul anyway.

 

Ya but we can only assess the value of that contribution based on what actually happened not 'if's scneario.

 

I've just told you what actually happened.

 

That statement seems rather stupid.

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For all the (deserved) criticism he's had this season, that clearence off the line in the last couple of minutes at Villa is probably the most important kick of a ball for us this seaon.

 

I'd perhaps agree if it wasn't about to be saved by Krul anyway.

 

Ya but we can only assess the value of that contribution based on what actually happened not 'if's scneario.

 

I've just told you what actually happened.

 

Huh?? What actually happened was that Jonas cleared the ball and nobody knows whether Krul would have saved it otherwise.

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For all the (deserved) criticism he's had this season, that clearence off the line in the last couple of minutes at Villa is probably the most important kick of a ball for us this seaon.

 

I'd perhaps agree if it wasn't about to be saved by Krul anyway.

 

Ya but we can only assess the value of that contribution based on what actually happened not 'if's scneario.

 

I've just told you what actually happened.

 

Huh?? What actually happened was that Jonas cleared the ball and nobody knows whether Krul would have saved it otherwise.

 

I'm wont jump in on the Jonas bashing, but by your logic every blocked shot or tackle have been just as important as you don't know if Krul would have saved it afterwards. In the Villa game it sure looked like Krul would have saved it if Jonas hadn't cleared it.

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:lol:

 

Bit of a strange debate tbf.  Jonas made an important block so Krul didn't have to make the save, regardless whether Krul was going to save it or not it was an important block. I'm sure most people would rather it was blocked and cleared before it became a 'shot on goal', so to speak. 

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For all the stick he gets, you can see why Pardew and the other players like him so much as his work rate and team play,  mostly unseen is inavaluable.  Against Southampton Debuchy got all the plaudits and was bombing forward at will and every time he did he had Jonas dropping back to cover in behind him.

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For all the stick he gets, you can see why Pardew and the other players like him so much as his work rate and team play,  mostly unseen is inavaluable.  Against Southampton Debuchy got all the plaudits and was bombing forward at will and every time he did he had Jonas dropping back to cover in behind him.

 

I can when its in favor of Marveaux but if he still picks him over HBA that is something quite different.  :lol:

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http://www.lfcreds.com/reds/index.php?topic=38658.10;imode

 

This can't be the same bloke, surely? :lol:

 

 

20th May 2003 - Latest News

 

LFC To Go

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Chris Bascombe wonders when Argentinian youngster Jonas Gutierrez is going to stop making noises about a possible transfer to Liverpool in the summer...

 

 

 

Liverpool's sponsors Carlsberg have a perceptive and amusing advert doing the rounds at the moment.

 

It charts the meteoric raise of a mediocre footballer. In one shot you see him mis-kick in front of an open goal for a Sunday league team. In the next, newspaper headlines are proclaiming him the greatest player since Pele and he's about to sign for the European Champions (it's a bit like the Neil Webb story 15 years too late).

 

The slogan at the end acclaims 'probably the best football agent in the world'.

 

The advertisers may be aware just how close to reality this tale is, especially if they have knowledge of the case of Argentinian 'wonderkid' and Planet Football columnist Jonas Gutierrez.

 

Gutierrez, you may recall, spent a few days on trial at Liverpool recently. It would have been a week but the Reds thought two days was more than enough.

 

In the course of his spell in England, Jonas managed to build an entire career. Depending on what you read, he was going to put his love for Everton to one side, sign for Liverpool, become the next Ryan Giggs and solve Houllier's width problems before moving to Real Madrid. All this thanks to a few training sessions in a pair of white boots

 

You may have thought this sounded too good to be true. You'd be right.

 

Even his arrival was heralded far too excitedly. One Sunday paper had laughingly described the player as 'Gerard Houllier's first big summer signing'.

 

Had it not been for the player's agent - and the fact he signed more autographs in a day than Michael Owen does in a year - Gutierrez would have flown in an out without anyone noticing he'd been here, just like the other half dozen or so triallists who pass through the Melwood gates each season.

 

Unfortunately, the unnecessary excitement surrounding the Argentinian made Mr Nobody from Nowhere a potential superstar for a week.

 

Triallists are hardly worth such attention. In some cases, the coaching staff haven't even heard of the players'. They agree to look at them out of courtesy because their representative is pushy enough, works for someone else who the club could be interested in at a later date, or are even prepared to pay a ludicrous amount of cash just to

 

have their man have the experience of training with the first team.

 

In the Gutierrez case, the last option explained his presence on Merseyside. His agent paid for the privilege. Houllier had no intention of signing the lad unless he could prove he was some kind of South American phenomenon. He wasn't.

 

That didn't stop the campaign to get him noticed going into overdrive with a series of 'interviews' appearing from the same sources which gave Gutierrez far more credibility than he deserved.

 

"I'm a bit like Ryan Giggs," was the first gem. To be fair, maybe something was lost in translation. What Jonas probably really said was: "I flew here on Ryan Air."

 

If that wasn't enough, this was followed with..."It will be funny playing for Liverpool because I'm an Everton fan." As own goals go, it was the biggest since I decided to take that mini-break in Baghdad last January. Had our white-booted, floppy fringed Argentinian friend finished? Not yet. "I want to play in Spain but England will do for now."

 

We're honoured by your presence Jonas. Liverpool will be delighted to be your 'stepping stone' to Madrid. If he was that good, why did he need a trial?

 

As it turned out, Jonas was 'no Maradona', as one observer close to the action put it. Liverpool didn't want him. When the wonderkid was told not to come back for his last day's training, the PR machine needed re-oiling.

 

Speaking on his behalf, Jonas' agent informed the nearest website: "Liverpool were impressed but they need someone to go straight into the team."

 

That's one way of putting it. Another would be 'he wasn't even as good as some of the kids playing on Stanley Park and we told him it wasn't worth him coming back tomorrow'.

 

Then the newspaper which claimed he would be the first summer signing needed to backtrack. "Houllier has suffered a major blow because Gutierrez was not as good as he thought he was," claimed the story.

 

Wrong! Gutierrez wasn't the player he thought he was. He left and we thought that was the end of it. The 15 minutes of fame had expired.

 

Until...yes. Jonas was at it again this week. It seems he hasn't given up on his dream move to Spain (via a few years in Liverpool). "I would like very much the chance to play for Liverpool. I was satisfied with what I did. I gave the best of myself. Now I only have to wait and see what happens. If something will be done, it will happen in June," he said.

 

Can this lad take a hint or what?

 

Listen Jonas, or your agent, or your contact at Planet Football, can you get the message? It ain't gonna happen. Please stop.

 

The case of Jonas Gutierrez is proof the truth isn't always as strange as the fiction - but sometimes it's funnier.

 

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Was scranning poppadoms at the Street Spice festival yesterday, fucking gutted I missed him.

 

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Wrong! Gutierrez wasn't the player he thought he was. He left and we thought that was the end of it. The 15 minutes of fame had expired.

 

Until...yes. Jonas was at it again this week. It seems he hasn't given up on his dream move to Spain (via a few years in Liverpool). "I would like very much the chance to play for Liverpool. I was satisfied with what I did. I gave the best of myself. Now I only have to wait and see what happens. If something will be done, it will happen in June," he said.

 

Can this lad take a hint or what?

 

Listen Jonas, or your agent, or your contact at Planet Football, can you get the message? It ain't gonna happen. Please stop.

 

The case of Jonas Gutierrez is proof the truth isn't always as strange as the fiction - but sometimes it's funnier.

 

 

Fucking hell. :lol:

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