Jonás Gutiérrez

[Frazzle]

Cronky, him holding on to the ball (today at least) was tactical I think.  He drew so many fouls that allowed us to regroup and give us to chance to build a proper attack (and not just a counter attack), there were a few times when he should've released it earlier but most times he was spot on for me.

[ujpest doza]

Absolutely outstanding today, best player on the park.

[Guest je85]

Should be CM from now on and thus we should looking for a wide play in the summer as well.

 

Marveaux, like a new si...

[ponsaelius]

Great player and character to have in and around the club, always gives 100% and is willing to play wherever you want him to. Glad he's signed up long term.

[Oakie Doke]

I do love this man. His Spiderman celebration. His attempts at Geordie. Scoring a goal with his arse against Chelsea. His doubt in random kids' ability to hit the crossbar. His cheesy grin. Tireless performances. The fact he practically lives in Fenwick's.

 

ahhh, Jonas. What a guy.

[Kanj]

I do love this man. His Spiderman celebration. His attempts at Geordie. Scoring a goal with his arse against Chelsea. His doubt in random kids' ability to hit the crossbar. His cheesy grin. Tireless performances. The fact he practically lives in Fenwick's.

 

ahhh, Jonas. What a guy.

 

No way he hit the cross bar, no way...nyah

 

[Varadi]

Loved it when he was screaming at everyone to get in position for Sigurdsson's free kick - seems to have really taken to this captaincy lark - 100% record!

[LFEE]

Up there with the best pro's we've had at the club in modern times... One word: Selfless...

[Ronaldo]

He's a great pro and person, no doubt.

[TherealnorthernTOON]

I do bet all the players that's still here of them who went down with us are really appriciating our form, and are by no means taking it for granted. And if the gaffer tells them to do a job in an unfamiliar position they will, as they know it's ten times better then struggling down there.

[Guest Howaythetoon]

As much as I love him, and as important as he is for us, long-term he is the odd man out in that midfield of ours. If we are to carry on the 3 up front or rather the 3 accross the forward line that is.

[Yorkie]

Disagree entirely tbh. Would be more than happy for Cabaye-Tiote-Jonas as our starting midfield next year. His work ethic allows Cabaye and Tiote to play their more specialised roles.

[bowlingcrofty]

Disagree entirely tbh. Would be more than happy for Cabaye-Tiote-Jonas as our starting midfield next year. His work ethic allows Cabaye and Tiote to play their more specialised roles.

 

Agree with you here. He's come into his own now he doesn't have to cross the ball.

[Disco]

As much as I love him, and as important as he is for us, long-term he is the odd man out in that midfield of ours. If we are to carry on the 3 up front or rather the 3 accross the forward line that is.

 

Who/what type of player would you want instead?

[Guest fraser]

As much as I love him, and as important as he is for us, long-term he is the odd man out in that midfield of ours. If we are to carry on the 3 up front or rather the 3 accross the forward line that is.

 

Playing wide left crosses for Cisse against Norwich. Knocks a lovely ball through for Ben Arfa for the first against WBA and has a really good game. Next match, left-back against Bellamy; does enough. The next match, back into midfield and is excellent throughout. A consummate professional. Not the most talented player I've seen for us but one of the very best.

[Segun Oluwaniyi]

As much as I love him, and as important as he is for us, long-term he is the odd man out in that midfield of ours. If we are to carry on the 3 up front or rather the 3 accross the forward line that is.

 

Playing wide left crosses for Cisse against Norwich. Knocks a lovely ball through for Ben Arfa for the first against WBA and has a really good game. Next match, left-back against Bellamy; does enough. The next match, back into midfield and is excellent throughout. A consummate professional. Not the most talented player I've seen for us but one of the very best.

Can I assume you started following us in the Championship season? Or spent the duration of the last twenty years in an injury related comatose condition? I like Jonas very much and I think he is would be a wonderful player to keep around here for many years as a squad member due to his relentless work effort and versatility. However, he isn't actually incisive and threatening enough to play wide in a 4-3-3, he lacks the requisite close control and consistent passing to be a starter in central midfield, and he isn't up to par defensively as a leftback. Ideally, he would be a highly used reserve.

[Guest fraser]

As much as I love him, and as important as he is for us, long-term he is the odd man out in that midfield of ours. If we are to carry on the 3 up front or rather the 3 accross the forward line that is.

 

Never assume anything.

As much as I love him, and as important as he is for us, long-term he is the odd man out in that midfield of ours. If we are to carry on the 3 up front or rather the 3 accross the forward line that is.

 

Playing wide left crosses for Cisse against Norwich. Knocks a lovely ball through for Ben Arfa for the first against WBA and has a really good game. Next match, left-back against Bellamy; does enough. The next match, back into midfield and is excellent throughout. A consummate professional. Not the most talented player I've seen for us but one of the very best.

Can I assume you started following us in the Championship season? Or spent the duration of the last twenty years in an injury related comatose condition? I like Jonas very much and I think he is would be a wonderful player to keep around here for many years as a squad member due to his relentless work effort and versatility. However, he isn't actually incisive and threatening enough to play wide in a 4-3-3, he lacks the requisite close control and consistent passing to be a starter in central midfield, and he isn't up to par defensively as a leftback. Ideally, he would be a highly used reserve.

 

Playing wide left crosses for Cisse against Norwich. Knocks a lovely ball through for Ben Arfa for the first against WBA and has a really good game. Next match, left-back against Bellamy; does enough. The next match, back into midfield and is excellent throughout. A consummate professional. Not the most talented player I've seen for us but one of the very best.

Can I assume you started following us in the Championship season? Or spent the duration of the last twenty years in an injury related comatose condition? I like Jonas very much and I think he is would be a wonderful player to keep around here for many years as a squad member due to his relentless work effort and versatility. However, he isn't actually incisive and threatening enough to play wide in a 4-3-3, he lacks the requisite close control and consistent passing to be a starter in central midfield, and he isn't up to par defensively as a leftback. Ideally, he would be a highly used reserve.

 

You can assume as you wish.

 

'He isn't actually incisive' - the ball for Ben Arfa for the first against West Brom.

 

'He isn't threatening' - the cross for Cisse against Norwich.

 

'He isn't up to par as a left back' - No shit Sherlock, but he does it.

 

Buffoon.

[Guest Howaythetoon]

As much as I love him, and as important as he is for us, long-term he is the odd man out in that midfield of ours. If we are to carry on the 3 up front or rather the 3 accross the forward line that is.

 

Who/what type of player would you want instead?

 

I'd play Tiote, Guthrie and Cabaye ahead of Tiote, Jonas and Cabaye.

[Disco]

As much as I love him, and as important as he is for us, long-term he is the odd man out in that midfield of ours. If we are to carry on the 3 up front or rather the 3 accross the forward line that is.

 

Who/what type of player would you want instead?

 

I'd play Tiote, Guthrie and Cabaye ahead of Tiote, Jonas and Cabaye.

 

Fair enough, disagree like as Cabaye and Guthrie are too similar IMO, better off having a bit of an allrounder in there like Jonas who provides something different.

[Segun Oluwaniyi]

As much as I love him, and as important as he is for us, long-term he is the odd man out in that midfield of ours. If we are to carry on the 3 up front or rather the 3 accross the forward line that is.

 

Never assume anything.

As much as I love him, and as important as he is for us, long-term he is the odd man out in that midfield of ours. If we are to carry on the 3 up front or rather the 3 accross the forward line that is.

 

Playing wide left crosses for Cisse against Norwich. Knocks a lovely ball through for Ben Arfa for the first against WBA and has a really good game. Next match, left-back against Bellamy; does enough. The next match, back into midfield and is excellent throughout. A consummate professional. Not the most talented player I've seen for us but one of the very best.

Can I assume you started following us in the Championship season? Or spent the duration of the last twenty years in an injury related comatose condition? I like Jonas very much and I think he is would be a wonderful player to keep around here for many years as a squad member due to his relentless work effort and versatility. However, he isn't actually incisive and threatening enough to play wide in a 4-3-3, he lacks the requisite close control and consistent passing to be a starter in central midfield, and he isn't up to par defensively as a leftback. Ideally, he would be a highly used reserve.

 

Playing wide left crosses for Cisse against Norwich. Knocks a lovely ball through for Ben Arfa for the first against WBA and has a really good game. Next match, left-back against Bellamy; does enough. The next match, back into midfield and is excellent throughout. A consummate professional. Not the most talented player I've seen for us but one of the very best.

Can I assume you started following us in the Championship season? Or spent the duration of the last twenty years in an injury related comatose condition? I like Jonas very much and I think he is would be a wonderful player to keep around here for many years as a squad member due to his relentless work effort and versatility. However, he isn't actually incisive and threatening enough to play wide in a 4-3-3, he lacks the requisite close control and consistent passing to be a starter in central midfield, and he isn't up to par defensively as a leftback. Ideally, he would be a highly used reserve.

 

You can assume as you wish.

 

'He isn't actually incisive' - the ball for Ben Arfa for the first against West Brom.

 

'He isn't threatening' - the cross for Cisse against Norwich.

 

'He isn't up to par as a left back' - No s*** Sherlock, but he does it.

 

Buffoon.

You admit that he isn't up to par as a left back, but then mention two decent pieces of play that occurred as a left back as evidence of him being a good enough centre midfielder and wide forward? He isn't prolific at all in terms of goals and assists (except against Wolves). This is fine as a wide man in a defensive minded 4-4-2, and he has performed admirably in this role for us before. In the 4-3-3 we play now, all of the front three have to be goal threats, imo and he is not this. In the centre, I just don't think he really has the skill or physicality to consistently compete there. He can compensate for this at times (especially against inferior teams) because he does a lot of running, but this is not the best position for his abilities at all.

[Guest Howaythetoon]

As much as I love him, and as important as he is for us, long-term he is the odd man out in that midfield of ours. If we are to carry on the 3 up front or rather the 3 accross the forward line that is.

 

Who/what type of player would you want instead?

 

I'd play Tiote, Guthrie and Cabaye ahead of Tiote, Jonas and Cabaye.

 

Fair enough, disagree like as Cabaye and Guthrie are too similar IMO, better off having a bit of an allrounder in there like Jonas who provides something different.

 

I can see where you are coming from and I agree in ways, ideally though I'd like to see someone better in there than Guthrie, someone more mobile and quicker. Its a good thing this though, being spoilt for choice almost. I've always said Jonas could do a job in the centre.

[Guest fraser]

As much as I love him, and as important as he is for us, long-term he is the odd man out in that midfield of ours. If we are to carry on the 3 up front or rather the 3 accross the forward line that is.

 

Never assume anything.

As much as I love him, and as important as he is for us, long-term he is the odd man out in that midfield of ours. If we are to carry on the 3 up front or rather the 3 accross the forward line that is.

 

Playing wide left crosses for Cisse against Norwich. Knocks a lovely ball through for Ben Arfa for the first against WBA and has a really good game. Next match, left-back against Bellamy; does enough. The next match, back into midfield and is excellent throughout. A consummate professional. Not the most talented player I've seen for us but one of the very best.

Can I assume you started following us in the Championship season? Or spent the duration of the last twenty years in an injury related comatose condition? I like Jonas very much and I think he is would be a wonderful player to keep around here for many years as a squad member due to his relentless work effort and versatility. However, he isn't actually incisive and threatening enough to play wide in a 4-3-3, he lacks the requisite close control and consistent passing to be a starter in central midfield, and he isn't up to par defensively as a leftback. Ideally, he would be a highly used reserve.

 

Playing wide left crosses for Cisse against Norwich. Knocks a lovely ball through for Ben Arfa for the first against WBA and has a really good game. Next match, left-back against Bellamy; does enough. The next match, back into midfield and is excellent throughout. A consummate professional. Not the most talented player I've seen for us but one of the very best.

Can I assume you started following us in the Championship season? Or spent the duration of the last twenty years in an injury related comatose condition? I like Jonas very much and I think he is would be a wonderful player to keep around here for many years as a squad member due to his relentless work effort and versatility. However, he isn't actually incisive and threatening enough to play wide in a 4-3-3, he lacks the requisite close control and consistent passing to be a starter in central midfield, and he isn't up to par defensively as a leftback. Ideally, he would be a highly used reserve.

 

You can assume as you wish.

 

'He isn't actually incisive' - the ball for Ben Arfa for the first against West Brom.

 

'He isn't threatening' - the cross for Cisse against Norwich.

 

'He isn't up to par as a left back' - No s*** Sherlock, but he does it.

 

Buffoon.

You admit that he isn't up to par as a left back, but then mention two decent pieces of play that occurred as a left back as evidence of him being a good enough centre midfielder and wide forward? He isn't prolific at all in terms of goals and assists (except against Wolves). This is fine as a wide man in a defensive minded 4-4-2, and he has performed admirably in this role for us before. In the 4-3-3 we play now, all of the front three have to be goal threats, imo and he is not this. In the centre, I just don't think he really has the skill or physicality to consistently compete there. He can compensate for this at times (especially against inferior teams) because he does a lot of running, but this is not the best position for his abilities at all.

 

He was not a left-back against WBA.

 

You've lost this argument.

 

You have no evidence to support your assertions, simply generalised remarks, whereas I've told you recent and relevant specifics; you cannot rebut them.  I could go further back but it simply would not be worth it.

[durhamunigeordie]

Think playing centrally in a 4-3-3 will be the making of him. As a footballer one of his main weaknesses is actually kicking the ball any distance. The ball seems to stick to his feet when dribbling and he is excellent at passing in triangles/the short passing game. Clearly can pick a killer pass as well (see his ball to Ben Arfa v West Brom and the ball to Cisse v Norwich). His work rate is second to none and so will never give the opposition central midfielders anytime on the ball. He could probably do a job man marking someone in there, thus allowing Tiote to break play up. He also knows how to win a foul. For me the 4-3-3 formation is perfectly suited to having Jonas in the middle.

[Smal]

As much as I love him, and as important as he is for us, long-term he is the odd man out in that midfield of ours. If we are to carry on the 3 up front or rather the 3 accross the forward line that is.

 

Who/what type of player would you want instead?

 

I'd play Tiote, Guthrie and Cabaye ahead of Tiote, Jonas and Cabaye.

 

Fair enough, disagree like as Cabaye and Guthrie are too similar IMO, better off having a bit of an allrounder in there like Jonas who provides something different.

 

Guthrie and Cabaye being similar doesn't really matter when they're playing different positions. Tioté and Guthrie would sit behind Cabaye in our current formation

[Cronky]

As much as I love him, and as important as he is for us, long-term he is the odd man out in that midfield of ours. If we are to carry on the 3 up front or rather the 3 accross the forward line that is.

 

Never assume anything.

As much as I love him, and as important as he is for us, long-term he is the odd man out in that midfield of ours. If we are to carry on the 3 up front or rather the 3 accross the forward line that is.

 

Playing wide left crosses for Cisse against Norwich. Knocks a lovely ball through for Ben Arfa for the first against WBA and has a really good game. Next match, left-back against Bellamy; does enough. The next match, back into midfield and is excellent throughout. A consummate professional. Not the most talented player I've seen for us but one of the very best.

Can I assume you started following us in the Championship season? Or spent the duration of the last twenty years in an injury related comatose condition? I like Jonas very much and I think he is would be a wonderful player to keep around here for many years as a squad member due to his relentless work effort and versatility. However, he isn't actually incisive and threatening enough to play wide in a 4-3-3, he lacks the requisite close control and consistent passing to be a starter in central midfield, and he isn't up to par defensively as a leftback. Ideally, he would be a highly used reserve.

 

Playing wide left crosses for Cisse against Norwich. Knocks a lovely ball through for Ben Arfa for the first against WBA and has a really good game. Next match, left-back against Bellamy; does enough. The next match, back into midfield and is excellent throughout. A consummate professional. Not the most talented player I've seen for us but one of the very best.

Can I assume you started following us in the Championship season? Or spent the duration of the last twenty years in an injury related comatose condition? I like Jonas very much and I think he is would be a wonderful player to keep around here for many years as a squad member due to his relentless work effort and versatility. However, he isn't actually incisive and threatening enough to play wide in a 4-3-3, he lacks the requisite close control and consistent passing to be a starter in central midfield, and he isn't up to par defensively as a leftback. Ideally, he would be a highly used reserve.

 

You can assume as you wish.

 

'He isn't actually incisive' - the ball for Ben Arfa for the first against West Brom.

 

'He isn't threatening' - the cross for Cisse against Norwich.

 

'He isn't up to par as a left back' - No s*** Sherlock, but he does it.

 

Buffoon.

You admit that he isn't up to par as a left back, but then mention two decent pieces of play that occurred as a left back as evidence of him being a good enough centre midfielder and wide forward? He isn't prolific at all in terms of goals and assists (except against Wolves). This is fine as a wide man in a defensive minded 4-4-2, and he has performed admirably in this role for us before. In the 4-3-3 we play now, all of the front three have to be goal threats, imo and he is not this. In the centre, I just don't think he really has the skill or physicality to consistently compete there. He can compensate for this at times (especially against inferior teams) because he does a lot of running, but this is not the best position for his abilities at all.

 

I agree with Baba on this one. If we progress with the 4-3-3, I think he'll end up as a back-up utility player.

 

His strength and athletic qualities will always be useful, but with that long stride of his he can be a bit clumsy and he doesn't pass the ball with the speed and precision that we need to aim for in midfield. He might be better off playing wide in the front three, but even then I think he'd struggle.

 

I'm not saying he'd do a rubbish job. But wide in a 4-4-2 is where his ability is best used.