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It's mainly an age thing isn't it? I was born in 91 and I'm sure as a kid most of the talk of the greatest by adults veered more towards Pele than Maradona, now Pele gets discussed a lot less in comparison, and the 35+ group tends to sway towards Maradona and the younger group Messi.

 

 

 

That might be the case with fans, but the following pundits and ex pros are all quoted as saying he's the best ever having seen both Messi and Maradona, with some of them having seen Pele as well.

 

Wenger, Simone, Guardiola, Beckenbaur, Venebles, Souness, Gullit, Lineker, Tostão, Adriano Galliani, Marcial Pina, Keane, Wright, Shearer, Maldini, original Ronaldo, and Cassano.

 

 

 

Fake news.

 

Why invent a list? Beckenbauer, Ronaldo and Tostao all have said Pele from that I know of. Not sure about the rest though.

 

You could always have googled it instead of calling me a liar, like. :lol:

 

I messed up with Beckenbaur, but...

 

Tostao - "Messi is better than Maradona; he is more complete, more consistent, more spectacular. He is reinventing the game – a mix of the real and the virtual."

 

Ronaldo - "Does Messi deserve to be called the greatest player in the world? Yes, for sure."

 

EDIT: Yep, they don't say he's the best ever. It was a mistake though, I didn't 'invent' anything.

 

All from here: https://genius.com/Lionel-messi-quotes-on-lionel-messi-annotated

 

 

Both Ronaldo and Tostao have said Pele is better, there's article on google if you google them, might be in portuguese, but I rather trust articles over quotes that are taken out of context. Ronaldo even says he thinks Pele and Maradona are far ahead of Messi.

 

http://globoesporte.globo.com/futebol/futebol-internacional/futebol-espanhol/noticia/2015/12/ronaldo-prefere-et-messi-cr7-e-acha-pele-e-maradona-muito-melhores.html

http://globoesporte.globo.com/mg/noticia/2012/03/tostao-nao-poupa-elogios-messi-ele-ja-e-bem-melhor-que-maradona.html

 

So yeah...

 

Pointless discussion. My apologies.

 

 

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CL football is of a much higher standard than the WC, Messi has to be the best player ever though in the modern sense. But Pele has this magical aura about him giving his WC exploits and for me is the true greatest of all time and likely never to be surpassed. Maradona was a great player, but like Cruyff and Best and players like them a few rungs below Pele and Messi. I rate Ronaldo of Real Madrid, but he's a level below Messi as well. If Messi wins a WC it's game set and match for him like.

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It's mainly an age thing isn't it? I was born in 91 and I'm sure as a kid most of the talk of the greatest by adults veered more towards Pele than Maradona, now Pele gets discussed a lot less in comparison, and the 35+ group tends to sway towards Maradona and the younger group Messi.

 

 

 

That might be the case with fans, but the following pundits and ex pros are all quoted as saying he's the best ever having seen both Messi and Maradona, with some of them having seen Pele as well.

 

Wenger, Simone, Guardiola, Beckenbaur, Venebles, Souness, Gullit, Lineker, Tostão, Adriano Galliani, Marcial Pina, Keane, Wright, Shearer, Maldini, original Ronaldo, and Cassano.

 

 

 

Fake news.

 

Why invent a list? Beckenbauer, Ronaldo and Tostao all have said Pele from that I know of. Not sure about the rest though.

 

You could always have googled it instead of calling me a liar, like. :lol:

 

I messed up with Beckenbaur, but...

 

Tostao - "Messi is better than Maradona; he is more complete, more consistent, more spectacular. He is reinventing the game – a mix of the real and the virtual."

 

Ronaldo - "Does Messi deserve to be called the greatest player in the world? Yes, for sure."

 

EDIT: Yep, they don't say he's the best ever. It was a mistake though, I didn't 'invent' anything.

 

All from here: https://genius.com/Lionel-messi-quotes-on-lionel-messi-annotated

 

 

Both Ronaldo and Tostao have said Pele is better, there's article on google if you google them, might be in portuguese, but I rather trust articles over quotes that are taken out of context. Ronaldo even says he thinks Pele and Maradona are far ahead of Messi.

 

http://globoesporte.globo.com/futebol/futebol-internacional/futebol-espanhol/noticia/2015/12/ronaldo-prefere-et-messi-cr7-e-acha-pele-e-maradona-muito-melhores.html

http://globoesporte.globo.com/mg/noticia/2012/03/tostao-nao-poupa-elogios-messi-ele-ja-e-bem-melhor-que-maradona.html

 

So yeah...

 

Pointless discussion. My apologies.

 

 

 

I know, hence

EDIT: Yep, they don't say he's the best ever. It was a mistake though, I didn't 'invent' anything.

 

Tbf, Ronaldo's 41 so he can't really say whether Pele was better or not imo. I try to limit things to 'in my lifetime', but it is tempting to go beyond that purely because it seems impossible that anyone could be any better. Whatever happens, I hope that in the future it'll be a case of my kids coming to me and saying 'such and such is the best player ever' and a whole generation of dads and grandads just saying 'Nah, Messi'

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No Italy, Netherlands, Chile, U.S., Cote d’Ivoire, Ghana, and Cameroon this year. That’s wild.

 

Yes and no. Morocco and Tunisia both have more appereances at the WC than Cote d'Ivoire and Ghana, so by that logic their non-appereance would be more wild.

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No Italy, Netherlands, Chile, U.S., Cote d’Ivoire, Ghana, and Cameroon this year. That’s wild.

 

Yes and no. Morocco and Tunisia both have more appereances at the WC than Cote d'Ivoire and Ghana, so by that logic their non-appereance would be more wild.

 

Ghana and Cote d’Ivoire have each made the last three in a row though, and generally been considered CAF heavyweights in recent years, whereas Tunisia hasn’t been to a WC since 2006 and Morocco since 1998.

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No Italy, Netherlands, Chile, U.S., Cote d’Ivoire, Ghana, and Cameroon this year. That’s wild.

And Wales - semi-finalist of Euro 2016! They had quite easy group and couldn't make it.

 

I'm gutted, we under performed in so many games and threw some points away. The Ireland game was so frustrating, people praising the Irish when we played into their hands. Bale or no Bale we should have had the ability to qualify from that group.

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How the fuck are Peru who needed to qualify through an inter-continental play off in pot 2 along with Spain and England?

 

The same reason Switzerland & Croatia who both had to qualify through a playoff are.

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How the fuck are Peru who needed to qualify through an inter-continental play off in pot 2 along with Spain and England?

Based on World ranking I think.

Aye, world rankings suck though, seriously flawed system.

 

I’ll take Poland, Iran, and Panama.

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How the f*** are Peru who needed to qualify through an inter-continental play off in pot 2 along with Spain and England?

Based on World ranking I think.

Aye, world rankings suck though, seriously flawed system.

 

I’ll take Poland, Iran, and Panama.

Got a feeling Poland will be dangerous myself.  Not too far from home so they will probably have huge support and they've some decent quality and a lot of experience in their squad.

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How the fuck are Peru who needed to qualify through an inter-continental play off in pot 2 along with Spain and England?

Based on World ranking I think.

Aye, world rankings suck though, seriously flawed system.

 

I’ll take Poland, Iran, and Panama.

 

A loss and two valiant 0-0 draws for England then.

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