womblemaster Posted September 13, 2011 Share Posted September 13, 2011 I assume if given striker options even pardew would not start ameobi ? I can only guess he played 442 to nick an early goal, when its didnt work, he should have switch out shola and brought in marveaux. HE seems too slow to react to the game, thats happening infront of his eyes. WOuld assume its stupidity rather than a big ego, but its hard to tell. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rebellious Posted September 13, 2011 Share Posted September 13, 2011 Shouldn`t have picked Shola over Loven based on keeping Raylor in the team theology. Something I didn`t see during the match but on a Sky montage at the end, Pardew seemed to be pissed off with most of the team seemingly doing nothing tactically they planned in training all week. Loads of clips of him screaming at players. Credit for sorting the defense out, Simpson`s gone up a level so has Best but whats he done to Tiote ? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest schmuck Posted September 13, 2011 Share Posted September 13, 2011 Tiote had terrible pre season preperation, it's not Pardew's fault he's off the pace. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
thomas Posted September 13, 2011 Share Posted September 13, 2011 The whole team did imo. The America tour was a shambles. Might be mid-October before we start looking like a team out there. As it stands there's just enough quality in the squad to grind out points/results in this shit fashion. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest TheSummerOf69 Posted September 13, 2011 Share Posted September 13, 2011 We've a lot of players who need time to get used to the Premier League: Cabaye, Marveaux, Santon, Abeid, even Ben Arfa (like Cabaye, he looks the business, but he's not proved himself up to the long season rigours of the pace and grind in the PL yet) and Obertan (he didn't get much game time at Man Utd). Remember when Colo was being crucified on MOTD every week? Or how long it took Enrique to hit regular form? The problem is that we haven't built on a team so much as demolished it and built it up again. I'm happy with the resilience shown so far this Season, though I would - like everyone - hope to see some attacking flair. There might be a golden month to come inbetween the players gelling and the inevitable reliance on kids when the injuries kick in... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRon Posted September 13, 2011 Share Posted September 13, 2011 Looking on the brighter side, the team must improve just through the personnel we have brought in. Marveaux, Ba and David Santon should add some guile and improve the football by default even if the manager has no idea how to coach passing football - which he clearly hasn't. I am just relieved that the players we have bought over the summer were probably brought in over Pardew's head, otherwise I'm sure we'd have been watching Jay Bothroyd and Nicky Shorey rather than David Santon in a couple of weeks time. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest ykmkmdd Posted September 13, 2011 Share Posted September 13, 2011 He's in a results business and getting results, hopefully the playing style will evolve as new players settle in, Ben Arfa comes back and we find out who has kidnapped Tiote. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldtype Posted September 13, 2011 Share Posted September 13, 2011 We're still very much in a phase where the team needs to gel + adapt to the Premier League so it's not surprising that we look disjointed at times. I'm willing to give him some time to settle things down and figure out an overarching game-plan that works for us. We were in a very similar position this time last year under Hughton where we had some good players but hadn't figured out how to play to their strengths yet. Eventually things started to gel and we were doing quite nicely, but we sold that whole team so we're going to have to start again. Thank God we're somehow still getting results in the meantime. Once things start coming together, the upside of this team is significantly larger than last year's and we have the potential to be watching some very good football by the end of the season. I'm willing to trust that Pardew's not a complete fucking idiot and will figure out a plan for now. Just don't start Ryan Taylor or Ameobi (the shit one) ever again. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
morpeth mag Posted September 13, 2011 Share Posted September 13, 2011 Just think the 442 formation is looking very dated - especially the way we play it on tramlines. I think it has to be ONE of Ba / Best / Shola together with HBA. In the interim take your pick from Obertan / Marveaux or Sammi. Last season tramlines worked on the left (but never the right) due to the interplay between Jonas and Enrique. Hopefully Santon can fill that gap in time but if we are going to play two holding players in Tiote and Cabaye then the full backs need to get forward and one of the strikers has to come short to link play. My only explanation for the team last night is that QPR struggled against the size of Bolton and maybe AP thought two big strikers would work. Agree with all the posts that things should have been changed at HT but we were more compact in the second half and looked after Taarabt better. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Christmas Tree Posted September 13, 2011 Share Posted September 13, 2011 We're still very much in a phase where the team needs to gel + adapt to the Premier League so it's not surprising that we look disjointed at times. I'm willing to give him some time to settle things down and figure out an overarching game-plan that works for us. We were in a very similar position this time last year under Hughton where we had some good players but hadn't figured out how to play to their strengths yet. Eventually things started to gel and we were doing quite nicely, but we sold that whole team so we're going to have to start again. Thank God we're somehow still getting results in the meantime. Once things start coming together, the upside of this team is significantly larger than last year's and we have the potential to be watching some very good football by the end of the season. I'm willing to trust that Pardew's not a complete f***ing idiot and will figure out a plan for now. Just don't start Ryan Taylor or Ameobi (the s*** one) ever again. I agree with most of that, however a blind man on a galloping horse could see we were overrun last night and yet he didnt change it at half time. Obviously wasnt helped as well by some very poor displays from quite a few individuals. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRon Posted September 13, 2011 Share Posted September 13, 2011 We're still very much in a phase where the team needs to gel + adapt to the Premier League so it's not surprising that we look disjointed at times. I'm willing to give him some time to settle things down and figure out an overarching game-plan that works for us. We were in a very similar position this time last year under Hughton where we had some good players but hadn't figured out how to play to their strengths yet. Eventually things started to gel and we were doing quite nicely, but we sold that whole team so we're going to have to start again. Thank God we're somehow still getting results in the meantime. Once things start coming together, the upside of this team is significantly larger than last year's and we have the potential to be watching some very good football by the end of the season. I'm willing to trust that Pardew's not a complete f***ing idiot and will figure out a plan for now. Just don't start Ryan Taylor or Ameobi (the s*** one) ever again. I agree with most of that, however a blind man on a galloping horse could see we were overrun last night and yet he didnt change it at half time. Obviously wasnt helped as well by some very poor displays from quite a few individuals. Results have papered over the cracks as well. The way Pardew has set the team out has seen us dominated in midfield in every single game so far this season, even by Scunthorpe. Only poor finishing from the opposition has seen us avoid defeat on more than one occasion. I don't think I would complain about the tactics if it looked like they were being implemented to a plan, but it really looks like no one has any idea what is going on out there in the first 45 mins of every game so far. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
thomas Posted September 13, 2011 Share Posted September 13, 2011 We're actually doing much better defensively and much more poorly offensively as compared to last year but, as ykmkmdd points out ... results. 13 September last year: 4P - 1W1D2L, 7GF 6GA, 4 pts 13 September this year: 4P - 2W2D0L, 3GF 1GA, 8 pts Others early comparisons to an Allardycian Bolton are a bit off - we're actually just much better defensively and the same offensively. The popular notion seemed to be that because Bolton (under Allardyce) didn't score a lot they must be a defensive unit hard to break down. His personality also helped to shape this notion. Under Allardyce Bolton weren't actually that tough a side to break down, ranking in the bottom half almost every year when it came to defensive records (e.g. clean sheets, average goals against). 04-05 and 05-06 had them ranked in the top half - 8th and 6th overall respectively - but they've since reverted to form. I don't think anyone, Pardew included, wants to keep riding our luck with Krul/Colo/Saylor forming some kind of impenetrable shield. He has to get that front six clicking. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stu Posted September 13, 2011 Share Posted September 13, 2011 4 league defeats in the calendar year. 1 defeat in last 11. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
madras Posted September 13, 2011 Share Posted September 13, 2011 We're actually doing much better defensively and much more poorly offensively as compared to last year but, as ykmkmdd points out ... results. 13 September last year: 4P - 1W1D2L, 7GF 6GA, 4 pts 13 September this year: 4P - 2W2D0L, 3GF 1GA, 8 pts Others early comparisons to an Allardycian Bolton are a bit off - we're actually just much better defensively and the same offensively. The popular notion seemed to be that because Bolton (under Allardyce) didn't score a lot they must be a defensive unit hard to break down. His personality also helped to shape this notion. Under Allardyce Bolton weren't actually that tough a side to break down, ranking in the bottom half almost every year when it came to defensive records (e.g. clean sheets, average goals against). 04-05 and 05-06 had them ranked in the top half - 8th and 6th overall respectively - but they've since reverted to form. I don't think anyone, Pardew included, wants to keep riding our luck with Krul/Colo/Saylor forming some kind of impenetrable shield. He has to get that front six clicking. stat tastic. we couldn't have argued we were hard done by had arsenal scored, fulham got a couple and QPR had got 3 or 4. defensivly (and by that i mean as ateam and not just the back 4) so far this season have been poor and worse, imo, than the back end of last season. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skirge Posted September 13, 2011 Share Posted September 13, 2011 Bad team selection and showing a lack of faith in Santon is a worry. With everyone fit I tinnk most fans know our best starting 11, but does Pardew? --------------------Krul Simo------Tayls-----------Colo---------Santon Jonas------Cab------------Tiote----------HBA -------------Best-----------Ba Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wullie Posted September 13, 2011 Share Posted September 13, 2011 Skirge, there's nowhere near enough mobility among any of our striking options to play 4-4-2. It's my preferred formation but with the players available to us right now, it's a complete non-starter imo. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tooj Posted September 13, 2011 Share Posted September 13, 2011 Bad team selection and showing a lack of faith in Santon is a worry. May I ask how he's showing a lack of faith in Santon? Seemed quite a sensible decision not to play him, as he'll have barely trained with the squad and as we saw last night SWP was on fire, so if he'd have had a bad game, then the knives would have been out for him already. He must start on Saturday though. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frazzle Posted September 13, 2011 Share Posted September 13, 2011 Bad team selection and showing a lack of faith in Santon is a worry. With everyone fit I tinnk most fans know our best starting 11, but does Pardew? --------------------Krul Simo------Tayls-----------Colo---------Santon Jonas------Cab------------Tiote----------HBA -------------Best-----------Ba With everyone fit I wouldn't want us playing that tbh and I hope Pardew doesn't. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lenny Posted September 13, 2011 Share Posted September 13, 2011 Gotta be more down to showing faith in Simpson and Taylor rather than lack of faith in Santon. Despite not particularly playing well we've got results so far this season and been decent defensively, so it's understandable. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
garth Posted September 13, 2011 Share Posted September 13, 2011 Bad team selection and showing a lack of faith in Santon is a worry. May I ask how he's showing a lack of faith in Santon? Seemed quite a sensible decision not to play him, as he'll have barely trained with the squad and as we saw last night SWP was on fire, so if he'd have had a bad game, then the knives would have been out for him already. He must start on Saturday though. Agree with this. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
littlelunchbox Posted September 13, 2011 Share Posted September 13, 2011 Very poor show from him last night. Shola should never have started, but I personally didn't have a problem with the rest of the line up. The big issue I would have with him though was that it took him so long to change things (in his words "too long"), because we controlled the ball much better in the final 15 minutes when he went 4-5-1 / 4-3-3. Still though, a point is a point, and hopefully he can learn from that and move forward. pardew to learn from that? how fucking long has he been in management??? he gets paid thousands a week and he still don't fucking know how to change a team's shape, took the prick 81 minutes to realise we were being over run. i dont know. maybe warnock's fat ass was in his way so he couldnt see, or he was watching another completely different, sort it out pards you stupid moron. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dokko Posted September 13, 2011 Share Posted September 13, 2011 His downfall, like many a manager here is overestimating Ameobi's ability on a football pitch. Not sure we could have won, but had it been Best & Ba upfront, or just one of and playing 451 we could have got 3pts. Instead its all thrown away to accommodate Ameobi, well that's how it feels anyway. Also he should have had Santon on at some point, even if it was 1st half doubling up on QPR and playing him in midfield in front of a fullback, calming the storm and soaking up the pressure, then he could have opened the game up if he felt comfortable. Personally I'd have played him LB for Raylor, but played Raylor RM in front of Simpson and Obertan just off Best with no Ameobi on the pitch. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
littlelunchbox Posted September 13, 2011 Share Posted September 13, 2011 people can stop talking about santon, the way our team was under the gun all night the last thing you want to do is introduce a new defender into the league in that manner, who's still wet behind the ears. would have been like putting the lad to the sword. thats only thing i think pardew got right regardless of how embarresingly shit raylor was last night. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skirge Posted September 13, 2011 Share Posted September 13, 2011 Why put him on the bench then if he was nowhere near ready to play? Not many clubs would sell their only leftback then sign a new one who could not go straight into the team. The formation we play may not be 4-4-2 but those 11 are our best players. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lotus Posted September 13, 2011 Share Posted September 13, 2011 Given what he said in the post match interview about now that the defending is working better he's planning to start concentrating on threatening the oppostion's goal, i'd be interested to see what the tactical plan is. I hope he doesn't just think putting HBA in there will be the cure to all ills. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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