Wil Posted December 21, 2011 Share Posted December 21, 2011 Not much doubt we're on the slide at the moment. With this form and the African Nations coming up, it's going to be a crap couple of months unless he sort things out quickly. He needs to make a start by fronting up for today and learning from it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yorkie Posted December 21, 2011 Share Posted December 21, 2011 First 11 games: 8 goals conceded. Last 6 games: 14 goals conceded. We've looked beyond vulnerable at the back since the moment Taylor pulled up against Chelsea. Manu was a valiant effort and City doesn't even count... it's the Chelsea game that has murdered us. That is the turning point as things stand. Disagree. We looked vulnerable long before then, we just weren't punished due to the outstanding form of Krul, Colo and Saylor. You mean our defense, then? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Parky Posted December 21, 2011 Share Posted December 21, 2011 Ba looked at Best and was inspired to belt the free kick into the top corner. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beren Posted December 21, 2011 Share Posted December 21, 2011 First 11 games: 8 goals conceded. Last 6 games: 14 goals conceded. We've looked beyond vulnerable at the back since the moment Taylor pulled up against Chelsea. Manu was a valiant effort and City doesn't even count... it's the Chelsea game that has murdered us. That is the turning point as things stand. Disagree. We looked vulnerable long before then, we just weren't punished due to the outstanding form of Krul, Colo and Saylor. You mean our defense, then? No, our defence is a back five. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skirge Posted December 21, 2011 Share Posted December 21, 2011 Was great to hear the Hatem Ben Arfa chants then the cheer when he at last took Obertan off, fans should never have any real impact on what the manager does but has to be tough to ignore 50,000 fans. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest BlacknWhiteArmy Posted December 21, 2011 Share Posted December 21, 2011 Ba looked at Best and was inspired to belt the free kick into the top corner. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Parky Posted December 21, 2011 Share Posted December 21, 2011 I mean who the fuck plays 2 strikers AND TWO WINGERS in the PL? [/peoplecomeupwithamillionsides] Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
M4 Posted December 21, 2011 Share Posted December 21, 2011 Ba looked at Best and was inspired to belt the free kick into the top corner. Only a fool would think otherwise. A fool, I tells you. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yorkie Posted December 21, 2011 Share Posted December 21, 2011 First 11 games: 8 goals conceded. Last 6 games: 14 goals conceded. We've looked beyond vulnerable at the back since the moment Taylor pulled up against Chelsea. Manu was a valiant effort and City doesn't even count... it's the Chelsea game that has murdered us. That is the turning point as things stand. Disagree. We looked vulnerable long before then, we just weren't punished due to the outstanding form of Krul, Colo and Saylor. You mean our defense, then? No, our defence is a back five. Simpson and Raylor played their part, too. Although i'd been hoping to see better full-backs enter the side, i hadn't been as confident about our defense for a long, long time until Taylor's injury. It's looked a broken, wounded corpse since Taylor's injury. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slugsy Posted December 21, 2011 Share Posted December 21, 2011 Losing 3 goals at home against an average side. Hmmmm, awesome, likelihood of win - negligible! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ronaldo Posted December 21, 2011 Share Posted December 21, 2011 Only on N-O could somebody find reason to mess with a system up top that includes the league's 3rd top goalscorer. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yorkie Posted December 21, 2011 Share Posted December 21, 2011 Only on N-O could somebody find reason to mess with a system up top that includes the league's 3rd top goalscorer. I think he could score in a number of systems. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Parky Posted December 21, 2011 Share Posted December 21, 2011 Only on N-O could somebody find reason to mess with a system up top that includes the league's 3rd top goalscorer. He's scoring them HIMSELF YOU IDIOT. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted December 21, 2011 Share Posted December 21, 2011 Only on N-O could somebody find reason to mess with a system up top that includes the league's 3rd top goalscorer. Only a fool would put that down to Best or Ameobi being up there with him. Ba is top-class and would score goals on his own imo, stick HBA off him and I don't think he'd score fewer, and Best's hardly setting the goal charts alight this season. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sifu Posted December 21, 2011 Share Posted December 21, 2011 Another poor showing from Pardew. Playing such a high defensive line was never going to go well really especially with Long and Odemwingie running at you. The direct approach with the persistent hoof-balls were annoying as fuck. There was absolutely no need for that. Pardew still has my support like. I'm confident he can turn it around. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ronaldo Posted December 21, 2011 Share Posted December 21, 2011 Only on N-O could somebody find reason to mess with a system up top that includes the league's 3rd top goalscorer. Only a fool would put that down to Best or Ameobi being up there with him. Ba is top-class and would score goals on his own imo, stick HBA off him and I don't think he'd score fewer, and Best's hardly setting the goal charts alight this season. I'm putting it down to him playing better with a partner, as 99% of goalscorers do. He's scoring loads of goals and we need a better partner for him who can contribute some of his own - that isn't and never will be Ben Arfa. End of story. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Parky Posted December 21, 2011 Share Posted December 21, 2011 Only on N-O could somebody find reason to mess with a system up top that includes the league's 3rd top goalscorer. Only a fool would put that down to Best or Ameobi being up there with him. Ba is top-class and would score goals on his own imo, stick HBA off him and I don't think he'd score fewer, and Best's hardly setting the goal charts alight this season. Yup. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ronaldo Posted December 21, 2011 Share Posted December 21, 2011 Only on N-O could somebody find reason to mess with a system up top that includes the league's 3rd top goalscorer. He's scoring them HIMSELF YOU IDIOT. I'm an idiot for wanting to stick with something that works? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Parky Posted December 21, 2011 Share Posted December 21, 2011 Only on N-O could somebody find reason to mess with a system up top that includes the league's 3rd top goalscorer. Only a fool would put that down to Best or Ameobi being up there with him. Ba is top-class and would score goals on his own imo, stick HBA off him and I don't think he'd score fewer, and Best's hardly setting the goal charts alight this season. I'm putting it down to him playing better with a partner, as 99% of goalscorers do. He's scoring loads of goals and we need a better partner for him who can contribute some of his own - that isn't and never will be Ben Arfa. End of story. He hasn't got A BETTER PARTNER that's what we judge the games on right now. I'm not disagreeing with you...But we just have to be more cogent with posession and that normally means shorter passing if possible and the team moving up as a whole when the chance arises. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Parky Posted December 21, 2011 Share Posted December 21, 2011 Only on N-O could somebody find reason to mess with a system up top that includes the league's 3rd top goalscorer. He's scoring them HIMSELF YOU IDIOT. I'm an idiot for wanting to stick with something that works? It's not working though. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ronaldo Posted December 21, 2011 Share Posted December 21, 2011 It is working, Ba is scoring for fun. As I said, we ideally need a new striker - one that can score goals whilst making space for Ba higher up the park. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
High Five o Posted December 21, 2011 Share Posted December 21, 2011 Ronaldo is crazy sometimes like. Ba, is a complete striker. Its not like we need a Best or Ameobi next to him. When did we last try something else? Yes, he will score more with a tank forward next to him if we keep hoffing the ball, but we don`t keep possession, we have no play on our own. It exposes out defense when we are not able to keep the ball in the team. He will keep scoring, and our team might be able to control games and create more with some better more creative players next to him. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
captainhaircut Posted December 21, 2011 Share Posted December 21, 2011 I have missed tonights game due to the work Xmas party but one thing to consider is how tight the early season games were. We could have easily got worse results against arsenal, Sunderland, fulham , villa (bent missed an open goal at 1-0), qpr, wolves, everton, Blackburn (they hit the post at 2-1) and man u. I may have even missed one. I think it's pretty clear that luck was with our side then and it's probably disappeared now with the Chelsea, norwich, Swansea and tonights game. I think we're clearly mid table side who had some results go our way earlier in the year. It's becoming more even now and we'll slowly slip down the table. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ronaldo Posted December 21, 2011 Share Posted December 21, 2011 Ronaldo is crazy sometimes like. Ba, is a complete striker. Its not like we need a Best or Ameobi next to him. And when did I say that? We need someone next to him who can score goals and create space. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
madras Posted December 21, 2011 Share Posted December 21, 2011 Ronaldo is crazy sometimes like. Ba, is a complete striker. Its not like we need a Best or Ameobi next to him. And when did I say that? We need someone next to him who can score goals and create space. or players to vreate for him and feed off his work, not necessarily someone up alongside him. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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