Parky Posted December 31, 2011 Share Posted December 31, 2011 People were bringing up observations and criticisms some time ago, and were told it wasn't fair because we were doing well. Now we're not doing well, and it's still not fair. When will it be? When we've slipped out of contention for 7th is a fair shout given that most of the people having a go now didn't give us a cat in hell's chance of finishing top 10 back in August. You really are a Pardew fan - the school of thought which dictates "Wait until it is visibly broken" (cf. not phasing Raylor out for Santon much, much earlier in the season) 5 points from 24 now, with Man Utd next. Think everyone can see it's broken but the man himself. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest BEN BEN BEN ARFA Posted December 31, 2011 Share Posted December 31, 2011 Coaching is the worst I've seen worse than Lancien coach Raymond Domenech's team France is to tell you how much he has no they do not play the team he did defeat Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Parky Posted December 31, 2011 Share Posted December 31, 2011 Building a good football team isn't rocket science. You just look at the successful teams and follow their blueprint. Man U, City, Chelsea etc. all play a passing brand of football. Spurs dismantling of the dogged yet shite Norwich was a classic example of class rising above graft. While we are short in numbers and lack a left back you still get the feeling Pardew doesn't really know how to mould a team beyond his West Ham model built on 4-4-2, target man high ball crap. Looking beyond the results we don't seem to be forming any particular style and it's the players who win or lose it. The manager might as well be Neil Warnock. Yup. That's why a lot of our results come down to individual moments ie Simpson error, Ba brilliance etc...The patterns of play we can discern after this many games is the worrying thing. The pattern lacks intelligence and nous and is therefore easily nullifyied by the good sides. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRon Posted December 31, 2011 Share Posted December 31, 2011 Building a good football team isn't rocket science. You just look at the successful teams and follow their blueprint. Man U, City, Chelsea etc. all play a passing brand of football. Spurs dismantling of the dogged yet shite Norwich was a classic example of class rising above graft. While we are short in numbers and lack a left back you still get the feeling Pardew doesn't really know how to mould a team beyond his West Ham model built on 4-4-2, target man high ball crap. Looking beyond the results we don't seem to be forming any particular style and it's the players who win or lose it. The manager might as well be Neil Warnock. Yup. That's why a lot of our results come down to individual moments ie Simpson error, Ba brilliance etc...The patterns of play we can discern after this many games is the worrying thing. The pattern lacks intelligence and nous and is therefore easily nullifyied by the good sides. Just the introduction of footballing full backs might make a massive difference. One look at the bench yesterday tells you quite a lot. Did we really need Best and Shola there? How many non-goal scoring big men can you throw on to change a game? Why not put Shane Ferguson on the bench just to give yourself some options? FOOTBALL options? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Howaythetoon Posted December 31, 2011 Share Posted December 31, 2011 I can take losing but I cannot stomach seeing a talented set of players playing poor football which is what we have done in the main since Pardew took over. The tactics are piss poor too. Pardew is a good public speaker, a good motivator and prepares the side well but he has no clue when it comes to team selection, tactics, subs and what style of football to use and it's costing us big time. The board said they got rid of hughton to move the team on a notch or two and that hasn't happened. We have better players but our football is poor and now that our good run has ended and our solid defence has gone we are dropping points at an alarming rate. Our form of late is relegation form. The man will not take Newcastle into the top ten nevermind Europe which given our players, start and how the league is this season would be a huge failure. The board should be brave and replace him with someone who REALLY can take these players to the next level. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ExiledGeordie Posted December 31, 2011 Share Posted December 31, 2011 And who else would work under the same conditions that those two cretins at the top set? Nobody. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest sicko2ndbest Posted December 31, 2011 Share Posted December 31, 2011 I can take losing but I cannot stomach seeing a talented set of players playing poor football which is what we have done in the main since Pardew took over. The tactics are p*ss poor too. Pardew is a good public speaker, a good motivator and prepares the side well but he has no clue when it comes to team selection, tactics, subs and what style of football to use and it's costing us big time. The board said they got rid of hughton to move the team on a notch or two and that hasn't happened. We have better players but our football is poor and now that our good run has ended and our solid defence has gone we are dropping points at an alarming rate. Our form of late is relegation form. The man will not take Newcastle into the top ten nevermind Europe which given our players, start and how the league is this season would be a huge failure. The board should be brave and replace him with someone who REALLY can take these players to the next level. Thats bitterness with an agenda Pardew has done remarkably well considering what he has had to deal with and until the ownership is changed it really dosnt matter who is at the helm. He has a structure to work to that is passed on by the board and is not in full control of his own destiny. What other manager, particularly top manager would come under those conditions? The biggest threat will be the resurgence of Sunderland under MON and the pressure that will bring. The reverse is what ultimately cost Bruce and it will have a negative effect here if not careful Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Venkman Posted December 31, 2011 Share Posted December 31, 2011 He's getting on my tits on so many levels now, shite team selection and tactics for weeks. Hope after the next two big sales Ashley fucks off and Pardew goes with him. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest sicko2ndbest Posted December 31, 2011 Share Posted December 31, 2011 Pardew is only ever a bad run away from getting pelted The only reason people took him to heart is the results. Results aside there is very little to like about him Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jayson Posted December 31, 2011 Share Posted December 31, 2011 I slated him yesterday but still the potentially poor choices/ideas recently do not undo his previous work in the season. He made choices with players that won us points & sorted our defence very nicely. He just seems to be struggling to adapt his ideas to the form of our players. Jonas, Best, Krul & potentially Cabaye also have all dipped in form for me. We cant afford to start on the backfoot anymore, long ball is now failing & hes benching one of the few whos been showing small moments of attacking ability in HBA. Maybe Ba going off will force him to rethink things a bit. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
MW Posted December 31, 2011 Share Posted December 31, 2011 what I don't get, is Taylor aside we have pretty much the same players as when we went to City and had a go. what the fuck has changed that. OK we were unbeaten, but why change from the mostly positive way that we were playing Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ishmael Posted December 31, 2011 Share Posted December 31, 2011 People's overreactions in here are very spectacular Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlanSkÃrare Posted December 31, 2011 Share Posted December 31, 2011 People's overreactions in here are very spectacular Agree. First really poor run in a year and people want rid of him. He'll be able to re-organise and get us back to playing football soon enough, that I'm sure of. Needs to learn from mistakes now. I think Santon ahead of RT is a given now tbh. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest neesy111 Posted December 31, 2011 Share Posted December 31, 2011 He should be going into the press and saying we need 3-4 new bodies into squad so he can put at least some pressure on the fat bastard to release some funds for him. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
David28 Posted December 31, 2011 Share Posted December 31, 2011 He should be going into the press and saying we need 3-4 new bodies into squad so he can put at least some pressure on the fat bastard to release some funds for him. It wouldn't work, though. He'd rather get the sack if he really tried. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldtype Posted December 31, 2011 Share Posted December 31, 2011 He should be going into the press and saying we need 3-4 new bodies into squad so he can put at least some pressure on the fat bastard to release some funds for him. As if Ashley would care Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Mantis Posted December 31, 2011 Share Posted December 31, 2011 He's getting on my tits on so many levels now, s**** team selection and tactics for weeks. Hope after the next two big sales Ashley f***s off and Pardew goes with him. He's got on my tits since he arrived but agree with you Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest neesy111 Posted December 31, 2011 Share Posted December 31, 2011 He's really starting to remind me of Glenn Roeder on so many fronts. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheGuv Posted December 31, 2011 Share Posted December 31, 2011 Yep Neesy Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Minhosa Posted December 31, 2011 Share Posted December 31, 2011 I can take losing but I cannot stomach seeing a talented set of players playing poor football which is what we have done in the main since Pardew took over. The tactics are piss poor too. Pardew is a good public speaker, a good motivator and prepares the side well but he has no clue when it comes to team selection, tactics, subs and what style of football to use and it's costing us big time. The board said they got rid of hughton to move the team on a notch or two and that hasn't happened. We have better players but our football is poor and now that our good run has ended and our solid defence has gone we are dropping points at an alarming rate. Our form of late is relegation form. The man will not take Newcastle into the top ten nevermind Europe which given our players, start and how the league is this season would be a huge failure. The board should be brave and replace him with someone who REALLY can take these players to the next level. There's a fairly big assumption in that post. That the Board actually want us in Europe. I don't think they do. That would require investment beyond what we would earn in the Uefa Cup. No go. I think they would be very happy with 8th to 16th every year regardless of what they say in public. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
KDT Posted December 31, 2011 Share Posted December 31, 2011 Are we still in 7th with a 5 point gap to 8th? which is more than any of us expected at the start of the season Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldtype Posted December 31, 2011 Share Posted December 31, 2011 I'm sure there are better managers than Pardew out there. I'm also sure that Mike Ashley would employ none of them. No thanks. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Posted December 31, 2011 Share Posted December 31, 2011 People's overreactions in here are very spectacular Agree. First really poor run in a year and people want rid of him. He'll be able to re-organise and get us back to playing football soon enough, that I'm sure of. Needs to learn from mistakes now. I think Santon ahead of RT is a given now tbh. Who has said they want rid of him? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest neesy111 Posted December 31, 2011 Share Posted December 31, 2011 I'm sure there are better managers than Pardew out there. I'm also sure that Mike Ashley would employ none of them. No thanks. They wouldn't want to work under him more importantly. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
thenige Posted December 31, 2011 Share Posted December 31, 2011 I thought we were woeful yesterday but some of the reactions in here make me a bit embarrassed to be a Newcastle fan. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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