Guest neesy111 Posted December 31, 2011 Share Posted December 31, 2011 I thought we were woeful yesterday but some of the reactions in here make me a bit embarrassed to be a Newcastle fan. You'll find that it's equally as worse at most clubs in the premiership.. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheGuv Posted December 31, 2011 Share Posted December 31, 2011 It won't be long until we're 8th at this rate. Then 9th until we fall into the bottom half. People will still persist with our great start to the season. It's the last few games that matter not ones from months ago. It was an entirely different way of playing at the start of the season. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hughesy Posted December 31, 2011 Share Posted December 31, 2011 Some fantastic overreactions in here. As usual. I genuinely don't know what people expected to happen this season, but on any level we have to be ahead of where most people expected us to be. Yes, we are in danger of throwing away our good work and that is immensely frustrating, but did anyone really think we were going to maintain a top 6 challenge all season? That would have been a minor miracle. As it stands we are going through a bad patch, but we are still in 7th. Personally I think we will manage to hold onto 7th and that would have to represent a good season for us at this stage. Looking at the teams above us and their levels of investment and the years that they have been entrenched in the top 6, I can't believe anyone would think we 'should' be taking them on and beating them. At least not at the moment. Expectations have risen ridiculously high on here. Pardew would almost have been better off not doing so well at the start of the season with the way people are now expecting us to perform. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fenham Mag Posted December 31, 2011 Share Posted December 31, 2011 Same old mentally from some in here, sack the manager at the first chance . Honestly , who the hell do you think will come in and work with Ashley and Lambias and do a better job than Pardew? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Venkman Posted December 31, 2011 Share Posted December 31, 2011 I genuinely don't know what people expected to happen this season since this is is a thread about the manager...i expected us to put our best players on the pitch with a game plan that suits them. this hasnt been the case for months now. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
LoveItIfWeBeatU Posted December 31, 2011 Share Posted December 31, 2011 When do we ever get anything from Liverpool away anyway? It's annoying to lose but if we have to lose I'd rather it was to the teams from the top 6. At the moment, with our budget, 7th is the best we can realistically finish. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
JH Posted December 31, 2011 Share Posted December 31, 2011 It's amazing how the tables have completely flipped amongst the two groups of posters in this thread in 12 months Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hughesy Posted December 31, 2011 Share Posted December 31, 2011 I genuinely don't know what people expected to happen this season since this is is a thread about the manager...i expected us to put our best players on the pitch with a game plan that suits them. this hasnt been the case for months now. Think months is a bit of an exaggeration. I do have issues with Pardew's team selection and tactics (although tactics-wise I am not as convinced as everyone else that Pardew has instructed the players to play long ball, I just think we have some average players who can't play any other way), but some of the comments about Pardew are way over the top. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SiLvOR Posted December 31, 2011 Share Posted December 31, 2011 I still think he's done a good job, it's just very frustrating because only a few things need changing for him to turn a good job into an excellent one. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Posted December 31, 2011 Share Posted December 31, 2011 Same old mentally from some in here, sack the manager at the first chance . Honestly , who the hell do you think will come in and work with Ashley and Lambias and do a better job than Pardew? I'll ask again; who has called for him to be sacked? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Venkman Posted December 31, 2011 Share Posted December 31, 2011 When do we ever get anything from Liverpool away anyway? It's annoying to lose but if we have to lose I'd rather it was to the teams from the top 6. At the moment, with our budget, 7th is the best we can realistically finish. if i see a team put out with intent, that looks like it has a coherent plan to win the game, i'm happy. i was happy during the Wigan game even before we scored, afterwards people were saying we were lucky to win it but i maintained that you can't win every week and our method of play had been consistent and a little bit of class made the difference (not to mention Ben Arfa's introduction making the difference, funny that) I freely accept that Wigan at home is a totally different kettle of fish to Liverpool away, but West Brom and Swansea at home was just as frustrating imo. Since Norwich we've completely given up playing football and Pardew's continued persistence with Obertan and Raylor is eye wateringly maddening. It's also worth noting how completely bereft of ideas we were against Bolton until.....Ben Arfa came on, we were terrible in that game. Our league position is fantastic, but we're only going in one direction under Pardew's current mindset, he needs to sort it out and that's been the case for months now, it's not a new development. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldtype Posted December 31, 2011 Share Posted December 31, 2011 Same old mentally from some in here, sack the manager at the first chance . Honestly , who the hell do you think will come in and work with Ashley and Lambias and do a better job than Pardew? I'll ask again; who has called for him to be sacked? A couple of people have. It's not always a straw man you know. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest BooBoo Posted December 31, 2011 Share Posted December 31, 2011 Fucking straw man ffs. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
alpal78 Posted December 31, 2011 Share Posted December 31, 2011 People's overreactions in here are very spectacular Agree. First really poor run in a year and people want rid of him. He'll be able to re-organise and get us back to playing football soon enough, that I'm sure of. Needs to learn from mistakes now. I think Santon ahead of RT is a given now tbh. Who has said they want rid of him? err maybe scrolling up to the previous page will help you, just guessing like Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
NG32 Posted December 31, 2011 Share Posted December 31, 2011 I think peoples expectations lifted as per usual when in reality we all knew we would slow down a bit due to the depth of our squad. The lack of buying a second forward/striker to compliment BA, leaving buying a full back so late to replace Enrique and starting the season with only two fit centre backs was taking a risk. Its all caught up. However, I still think its been a good points "haul" so far and anybody saying they wouldn't have taken 30 pts before new year is lying. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Posted December 31, 2011 Share Posted December 31, 2011 Fucking straw man ffs. You obviously think Pardew is better than Ferguson. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
LoveItIfWeBeatU Posted December 31, 2011 Share Posted December 31, 2011 When do we ever get anything from Liverpool away anyway? It's annoying to lose but if we have to lose I'd rather it was to the teams from the top 6. At the moment, with our budget, 7th is the best we can realistically finish. if i see a team put out with intent, that looks like it has a coherent plan to win the game, i'm happy. i was happy during the Wigan game even before we scored, afterwards people were saying we were lucky to win it but i maintained that you can't win every week and our method of play had been consistent and a little bit of class made the difference (not to mention Ben Arfa's introduction making the difference, funny that) I freely accept that Wigan at home is a totally different kettle of fish to Liverpool away, but West Brom and Swansea at home was just as frustrating imo. Since Norwich we've completely given up playing football and Pardew's continued persistence with Obertan and Raylor is eye wateringly maddening. It's also worth noting how completely bereft of ideas we were against Bolton until.....Ben Arfa came on, we were terrible in that game. Our league position is fantastic, but we're only going in one direction under Pardew's current mindset, he needs to sort it out and that's been the case for months now, it's not a new development. We have a small squad. We can't really rotate it very much. When players aren't playing very well there aren't many options to change it. People seem to think Santon instead of R.Taylor and Ben Arfa instead of Obertan (or the second striker) will automatically mean we are a better team. I hope the theory is proved correct in practice. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fenham Mag Posted December 31, 2011 Share Posted December 31, 2011 Same old mentally from some in here, sack the manager at the first chance . Honestly , who the hell do you think will come in and work with Ashley and Lambias and do a better job than Pardew? I'll ask again; who has called for him to be sacked? The board should be brave and replace him with someone who REALLY can take these players to the next level. Is the obvious example, other people are hinting at it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Posted December 31, 2011 Share Posted December 31, 2011 HTT Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Posted December 31, 2011 Share Posted December 31, 2011 Pardew's at Old Trafford at the moment anyway. No doubt checking out how they handle 'long passes'. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mick Posted December 31, 2011 Share Posted December 31, 2011 Some fantastic overreactions in here. As usual. I genuinely don't know what people expected to happen this season, but on any level we have to be ahead of where most people expected us to be. Yes, we are in danger of throwing away our good work and that is immensely frustrating, but did anyone really think we were going to maintain a top 6 challenge all season? That would have been a minor miracle. As it stands we are going through a bad patch, but we are still in 7th. Personally I think we will manage to hold onto 7th and that would have to represent a good season for us at this stage. Looking at the teams above us and their levels of investment and the years that they have been entrenched in the top 6, I can't believe anyone would think we 'should' be taking them on and beating them. At least not at the moment. Expectations have risen ridiculously high on here. Pardew would almost have been better off not doing so well at the start of the season with the way people are now expecting us to perform. It doesn't matter what people were expecting of this season before a ball was kicked because expectations change over time. I doubt that many expected us to go down at the start of 2008/09 season but as the season went on people’s expectations changed and it wasn't much of a surprise at the end. This season is different and instead of performing below expectation we've gone the other way and performed better than most will have hoped, at least points wise. Since Bonfire night we’ve won one game and that’s now close to two months and I doubt even the worst pessimists would have expected that we’d go two months with 1 win, did you? Even earlier when we were winning we were getting a lot of luck and people were going on about Pardew being a good manager. Now the results are not going our way it’s only right that people express concerns at the way things are going. I don’t think the team are playing that much worse (yesterday aside) than we were when winning and we’ve rarely seen a change in our game even though Pardew said our style was going to change. From time to time we do try to play football on the deck but for far too long we’ve bypassed the midfield by just hoofing the ball from back to front. For far too long we’ve played players who are not performing while potentially better players have been left on the bench and now we’re not getting results people are rightly questioning those decisions. You can accept any s**** that's served up without questioning it, that doesn't mean other should do the same. As for my expectations, I think we'll probably end up between 10th and 8th which will be a couple of places better than my original hopes for the season. I also think our team is capable of finishing slightly higher but they’ll not do it because of the points lost due to managerial decisions. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest BEN BEN BEN ARFA Posted December 31, 2011 Share Posted December 31, 2011 I am sorry Chris Hughton Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mick Posted December 31, 2011 Share Posted December 31, 2011 Think months is a bit of an exaggeration. I do have issues with Pardew's team selection and tactics (although tactics-wise I am not as convinced as everyone else that Pardew has instructed the players to play long ball, I just think we have some average players who can't play any other way), but some of the comments about Pardew are way over the top. Maybe the manager hasn't told them to hoof the ball long, I have seen absolutely nothing to suggest that he's told them no to do it and that's his job. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Venkman Posted December 31, 2011 Share Posted December 31, 2011 When do we ever get anything from Liverpool away anyway? It's annoying to lose but if we have to lose I'd rather it was to the teams from the top 6. At the moment, with our budget, 7th is the best we can realistically finish. if i see a team put out with intent, that looks like it has a coherent plan to win the game, i'm happy. i was happy during the Wigan game even before we scored, afterwards people were saying we were lucky to win it but i maintained that you can't win every week and our method of play had been consistent and a little bit of class made the difference (not to mention Ben Arfa's introduction making the difference, funny that) I freely accept that Wigan at home is a totally different kettle of fish to Liverpool away, but West Brom and Swansea at home was just as frustrating imo. Since Norwich we've completely given up playing football and Pardew's continued persistence with Obertan and Raylor is eye wateringly maddening. It's also worth noting how completely bereft of ideas we were against Bolton until.....Ben Arfa came on, we were terrible in that game. Our league position is fantastic, but we're only going in one direction under Pardew's current mindset, he needs to sort it out and that's been the case for months now, it's not a new development. We have a small squad. We can't really rotate it very much. When players aren't playing very well there aren't many options to change it. People seem to think Santon instead of R.Taylor and Ben Arfa instead of Obertan (or the second striker) will automatically mean we are a better team. I hope the theory is proved correct in practice. Ben Arfa instead of Jonas or Obertan or Best, depending on which game he's on the bench for. Santon instead of Raylor or Simpson or Obertan. There's a few options and quite a few players not performing. Can you tell me in all seriousness you don't think Ben Arfa deserves a chance over Obertan, or even Santon? Considering whenever he's played he's looked our most dangerous winger, imo. I think it's worth repeating how angry I was at repeatedly hearing Pardew instructing our players to 'get it forward' and 'hit Ba' last night. It didn't work once last night and I'm struggling to think of any part of any game where we've looked effective knocking it long other than the second half of Chelsea at home, a game we comfortably lost. Pardew said they had a team meeting and discussed what they were and weren't good at before Bolton, we played ineffective long ball football for the majority of that game and we did it for 90 minutes last night. It's looking like it's something he thinks we're good at, what do you think? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mick Posted December 31, 2011 Share Posted December 31, 2011 We have a small squad. We can't really rotate it very much. When players aren't playing very well there aren't many options to change it. People seem to think Santon instead of R.Taylor and Ben Arfa instead of Obertan (or the second striker) will automatically mean we are a better team. I hope the theory is proved correct in practice. We have a small squad but we also do have options and we're not fully utilising them and that's down to Pardew. Santon is clearly a better player than Ryan Taylor and Ben Arfa is almost certainly better than Obertan. We don't know that anything will automatically improve us, we do know that certain things which we are repeatedly doing are not working so we need to do something different. If I try something that doesn't work I usually do something different next time in the hope that the end result is different, why should Pardew be any different? We’ve also got Jonas who now looks completely burnt out because of the work he’s had to do, work that he wouldn’t have had to do if he’d had Santon behind him. What’s wrong with dropping Jonas for Ferguson against a couple of the lesser sides to re-charge his batteries? What has playing the long ball got to do with our squad size? The answer is nothing and the manager is either encouraging us to bypass what should be a strength or he’s allowing it to happen. At one point yesterday we put something like 30 passes together so we’re more than capable of doing it yet we’re not and that is bordering on madness. If we can put 30 passes together against Liverpool at Anfield then we should be able to do it against lesser teams, we’re not and that has nothing to do with the standard of our players who can do it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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