Wullie Posted February 25, 2012 Share Posted February 25, 2012 I've tried to get on board with him despite the fact that I don't like him and don't rate him but I cannot bear his unbelievably negative approach to the game any longer. He's totally spineless, no worse in that sense than Souness or Allardyce were. The players are a hundred times better than he has them playing, despite the good league position, his substitutions are laughable and he is simply unable to set the team up to create chances. The worst thing that can happen to us next week is an early goal for either side. Them and we won't open them up, us and he'll tell the players to defend on the six yard line and hoof it clear at every opportunity. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Howaythetoon Posted February 25, 2012 Share Posted February 25, 2012 This is the real Alan Pardew, who was sacked by a league two side prior to joining us. A defeat to the mackems next week (which is a real possibility) and I'd be massively concerned about our season finale, which could see us peter into mid-table. We are playing awful football and we are conceding goals while struggling to create chances and that's down to our tactics and team selection which is what Pardew gets paid for. Again I'll get criticised for this but fuck it, he has to go in the summer because we'll never evolve and given the players we have, there is no excuse for the football we play, or rather the hoofball. Once again he decides to chose Ryan Taylor ahead of Ben Arfa. The man is clueless. Get rid in the summer. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AyeDubbleYoo Posted February 25, 2012 Share Posted February 25, 2012 Obviously people are entitled to criticise him for anything they want, but they should also be giving him credit for the good season we've had. It seems being in the top 10 has suddenly become the accepted norm and now doesn't count for anything, even though at the start it would have been a great achievement. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ishmael Posted February 25, 2012 Share Posted February 25, 2012 Can I just point out that Aston Villa should read Sunderland. duur Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Taylor Swift Posted February 25, 2012 Share Posted February 25, 2012 There is no movement in the team because all our midfielders are so fucking worried about who they have to mark when we lose the ball. It's fucking pathetic. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiresias Posted February 25, 2012 Share Posted February 25, 2012 Why are we playing such boring hoofball? It doesn't even work is what gets me. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
gbandit Posted February 25, 2012 Share Posted February 25, 2012 Despite giving away a two goal lead, which in itself is extremely concerning, we are barely creating any chances. Desperately need to sort this out. Been a problem most of the season relying on demba.have we really dominated teams enough,really controlled games offensively?not for me and that's due to pardew's philosophy because we have the players Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Parky Posted February 25, 2012 Share Posted February 25, 2012 Too much percentage, too much hoof, too much prozone, not enough prozac. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unbelievable Posted February 25, 2012 Share Posted February 25, 2012 coward Would be winning 8-0 by now if it wasn't for this f***ing coward! We'd be f***ing fourth in the league if it wasn't for Pardew and his conservative... oh, hang on. Wahey, the benefit of hindsight! Maybe it's hindsight for you, but lots of people have had this insight before. At half time you (and some others) were creaming yourself saying how it was understandable, maybe even professional to drop deep after going 2-0 up so early, seeing as they had nothing to offer going forward and we hadn't come out of first gear, but we could easily do so when we wanted to. We are not as solid as you like to think when Pardew plays his negative tactics. I can stomach a loss or draw at home to a team like this if we've given it a real go. Today, we simply got a bit lucky early on and decided to sit on it, rather than try to play some proper football from the start and give the fans something to cheer about in a match that really shouldn't have been a major problem for us given we nearly had all our first teamers available against mediocre opposition. Wrong decision. Some could see it from the off, some couldn't. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiresias Posted February 25, 2012 Share Posted February 25, 2012 We were asking for it first half, I thought we might just get away with it but second half once they scored, we just tend to get heads down when that happens. Pardew's change was spot on but mistimed (arguably should have been like that from the start, judging by how we looked after) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest BlacknWhiteArmy Posted February 25, 2012 Share Posted February 25, 2012 Why are we playing such boring hoofball? It doesn't even work is what gets me. If we still had Carroll I could understand the long ball shite, but we're playing it to Demba Ba ffs. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AyeDubbleYoo Posted February 25, 2012 Share Posted February 25, 2012 Just because the result went against us, it doesn't mean the first half approach was wrong. We went in at half time very comfortable and 2-0 up. Yes Wolves had had some possession, but it was very poor quality and I bet the Wolves fans would have been much more angry than ours. It was the second half that really surprised me. Pardew should have taken the opportunity to fire up the players and send them out to get another couple. It didn't happen at all, obviously. I wasn't creaming myself by the way. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Parky Posted February 25, 2012 Share Posted February 25, 2012 Two legs good one leg bad or summink... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiresias Posted February 25, 2012 Share Posted February 25, 2012 Just because the result went against us, it doesn't mean the first half approach was wrong. We went in at half time very comfortable and 2-0 up. Yes Wolves had had some possession, but it was very poor quality and I bet the Wolves fans would have been much more angry than ours. It was the second half that really surprised me. Pardew should have taken the opportunity to fire up the players and send them out to get another couple. It didn't happen at all, obviously. I wasn't creaming myself by the way. They were unlucky not to have scored, we were giving them chances, not really definition of comfortable to me. They were playing better footy, and the worst thing about the game is they were rubbish. Pretty much every attack we'll play for the rest of the season will be better. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AyeDubbleYoo Posted February 25, 2012 Share Posted February 25, 2012 They were firing 90% of their forward passes aimlessly into the space behind the defence. They had a lot of the ball but did very little with it. Doyle's header was a decent chance, but that was about it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ATB Posted February 25, 2012 Share Posted February 25, 2012 we weren´t good the first half either. it was just that we scored and they didn´t, and that was NOT a result of good play from us. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AyeDubbleYoo Posted February 25, 2012 Share Posted February 25, 2012 we weren´t good the first half either. it was just that we scored and they didn´t, and that was NOT a result of good play from us. I know, I didn't say we were. But when two goals dropped into our laps then I don't think the way we reacted was surprising or particularly bad. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Howaythetoon Posted February 25, 2012 Share Posted February 25, 2012 Obviously people are entitled to criticise him for anything they want, but they should also be giving him credit for the good season we've had. It seems being in the top 10 has suddenly become the accepted norm and now doesn't count for anything, even though at the start it would have been a great achievement. We are top 6 in the main thanks for Ba's goals and the individual performances of Krul and Colo. Of course Pardew deserves credit but I'd say he deserves less than the likes of Ba, Krul et al. His input in our season is similar to R.Taylor's. He's contributed but not starred. Our tactics are all wrong, at the start of a game, during the game and especially when the opposition start to nulify us and attack us. We simply drop back, revert to hoof and end up with no real shape. His team selections are often baffling and his use of subs almost always wrong. He helped instill a very good team-spirit and a very good work-ethic and earlier on in the season we were defensively very strong which he deserves a lot of credit for and this has helped us to make a good start to the season and to get into a really good psoition in the league. But good team spirit and work ethic will only take you so far as does individual performances from star players but star players need direction, they need to play in a system that helps them. This isn't happening. Pumping long ball after long ball up to Ba is not what he needs or wants. How are we meant to dominate a side when the area that achieves this - the midfield - are constantly being bypassed by long balls or restricted due to a flat and unballanced set-up? Our tactics are so hopeless and dumb its embarrassing and is costing us and will if we persist, end up costing us big time. We have as much chance of finishing mid-table as we do a European spot and forget about 4th. A position we could actually finish in if we did play better football. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Logic Posted February 25, 2012 Share Posted February 25, 2012 Not impressed, but I've been that way for a while tbf. Don't know if he'd be more adventurous and confident with a couple of better players in defence, but I'm also uncertain if I want to wait and find out. Certainly seems to rely on statistics more than he should, furthermore it seems to be affecting the players confidence and cohesion. And quite how Cabaye doesn't think he was brought here under false pretences I don't know. Maybe he does. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wullie Posted February 25, 2012 Share Posted February 25, 2012 It's hardly hindsight, it was clearly a case of Ian and Jon criticizing his foresight. Embarrassing really, a point scoring attempt when it's fucking obvious, even when we win, that he's a very cowardly manager. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AyeDubbleYoo Posted February 25, 2012 Share Posted February 25, 2012 Aye, I agree our general approach isn't what I'd ideally like to see, but I can see why Pardew has stuck with it as it keeps getting him results. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dokko Posted February 25, 2012 Share Posted February 25, 2012 There may be some hope, Hughton was sacked for less. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jayson Posted February 25, 2012 Share Posted February 25, 2012 we weren´t good the first half either. it was just that we scored and they didn´t, and that was NOT a result of good play from us. I know, I didn't say we were. But when two goals dropped into our laps then I don't think the way we reacted was surprising or particularly bad. Agree. Understandable. The instant injuries to Ba then Tiote didnt much help our momentum 2nd half. Then the deflected shot. Still, we were losing it via long ball tactics. Thats the key issue for me, it wasnt working and that was obvious. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Heneage Posted February 25, 2012 Share Posted February 25, 2012 So easy to say with hindsight but Ben Arfa at half time would have been the first thing I'd do. These cameos put way too much pressure on him to do something. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Logic Posted February 25, 2012 Share Posted February 25, 2012 We are top 6 in the main thanks for Ba's goals and the individual performances of Krul and Colo. Of course Pardew deserves credit but I'd say he deserves less than the likes of Ba, Krul et al. His input in our season is similar to R.Taylor's. He's contributed but not starred. Our tactics are all wrong, at the start of a game, during the game and especially when the opposition start to nulify us and attack us. We simply drop back, revert to hoof and end up with no real shape. His team selections are often baffling and his use of subs almost always wrong. He helped instill a very good team-spirit and a very good work-ethic and earlier on in the season we were defensively very strong which he deserves a lot of credit for and this has helped us to make a good start to the season and to get into a really good psoition in the league. But good team spirit and work ethic will only take you so far as does individual performances from star players but star players need direction, they need to play in a system that helps them. This isn't happening. Pumping long ball after long ball up to Ba is not what he needs or wants. How are we meant to dominate a side when the area that achieves this - the midfield - are constantly being bypassed by long balls or restricted due to a flat and unballanced set-up? Our tactics are so hopeless and dumb its embarrassing and is costing us and will if we persist, end up costing us big time. We have as much chance of finishing mid-table as we do a European spot and forget about 4th. A position we could actually finish in if we did play better football. Been trying to work out what happened there myself. Don't think it's as simple as Wilko for Saylor, but Santon's forward play certainly has Colo pulled out to the wings more than I would like. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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