TaylorJ_01 Posted February 27, 2012 Share Posted February 27, 2012 He needs to stop this hoofball stuff too. It's getting us absolutely nowhere. How many free kicks did we pass about a bit, invite pressure, pass to Krul and slap it straight to their defenders to play out? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AyeDubbleYoo Posted February 27, 2012 Share Posted February 27, 2012 A right side of Williamson, Simpson and Raylor is never going to encourage passing football. I'm not surprised Krul is reluctant to give the ball short to them, and I'm not surprised that they often have to channel the ball back to him. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Posted February 27, 2012 Share Posted February 27, 2012 A right side of Williamson, Simpson and Raylor is never going to encourage passing football. I'm not surprised Krul is reluctant to give the ball short to them, and I'm not surprised that they often have to channel the ball back to him. And the excuse for Coloccini, Santon and Jonas on the left? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Parky Posted February 27, 2012 Share Posted February 27, 2012 My main worry now is this 442 we play. Even Wolves controlled the center. We're surrendering the middle of the park to any side who plays the extra man in midfield. This immediately puts us under pressure and creates a huge gap between our mf and the forwards. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Keefaz Posted February 27, 2012 Share Posted February 27, 2012 My main worry now is this 442 we play. Even Wolves controlled the center. We're surrendering the middle of the park to any side who plays the extra man in midfield. This immediately puts us under pressure and creates a huge gap between our mf and the forwards. There is absolutely no need to be a man down in midfield, especially as we have forwards happy enough to drop deep and get involved. I can't help but feel the system would work with better wide men and movement throughout the team. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AyeDubbleYoo Posted February 27, 2012 Share Posted February 27, 2012 A right side of Williamson, Simpson and Raylor is never going to encourage passing football. I'm not surprised Krul is reluctant to give the ball short to them, and I'm not surprised that they often have to channel the ball back to him. And the excuse for Coloccini, Santon and Jonas on the left? I don't know, there isn't one really. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Howaythetoon Posted February 27, 2012 Share Posted February 27, 2012 It all started to go wrong with the defeat to Chelsea and the manner of that defeat. Since then Pardew has lost confidence in the players to win games by virtue of attacking expansive football and has reverted to a defensive, pragmatic approach to win games which has worked to a degree but we are losing more often and conceding more goals. Because there is no plan B when we are losing or conceding goals or on the back foot we struggle to deal with these things. Up until that Chelsea defeat we went into games set up to attack and win and although we were not playing brilliantly it was a damn sight better than the turgid crap we are playing now. Pardew needs to strike a ballance but seems unable to, unwilling to or simply frightened to do and this is his downfall or will be. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doctor Zaius Posted February 27, 2012 Share Posted February 27, 2012 Calling for Pardew to be replaced Absolute madness, statements like that is why as supporters we get the unfair 'over expectant' reputation we do. Yes, fair enough, we're not playing cvarpet football right now, but did anyone ever expect us to for the entire season? At the end of the day, we're it's results that count and we're sat 6th ffs. Did anyone seriously expect that? I'm as apprehensive as ther next guy as to what the future holds for Pardew and this lot but calls for him to be replaced? Aye, righto. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
thedudeabides Posted February 27, 2012 Share Posted February 27, 2012 Calling for Pardew to be replaced Absolute madness, statements like that is why as supporters we get the unfair 'over expectant' reputation we do. Yes, fair enough, we're not playing cvarpet football right now, but did anyone ever expect us to for the entire season? At the end of the day, we're it's results that count and we're sat 6th ffs. Did anyone seriously expect that? I'm as apprehensive as ther next guy as to what the future holds for Pardew and this lot but calls for him to be replaced? Aye, righto. Incredible isn't it. Would love to have seen some of this lot when we were dying on our arses in the 2nd Division under McGarry/early Cox. Don't know that they're born. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Haris Vuckic Posted February 27, 2012 Share Posted February 27, 2012 I don't think anyone would touch us anyway to be honest. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AyeDubbleYoo Posted February 27, 2012 Share Posted February 27, 2012 Calling for Pardew to be replaced Absolute madness, statements like that is why as supporters we get the unfair 'over expectant' reputation we do. Yes, fair enough, we're not playing cvarpet football right now, but did anyone ever expect us to for the entire season? At the end of the day, we're it's results that count and we're sat 6th ffs. Did anyone seriously expect that? I'm as apprehensive as ther next guy as to what the future holds for Pardew and this lot but calls for him to be replaced? Aye, righto. It's crazy. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mistle17 Posted February 27, 2012 Share Posted February 27, 2012 I'm neither criticising or praising Pardew here, but if you think about it with the players we have why should we not be expecting to beat most teams in this mediocre league? We should expect a decent standard of football with the likes of Coloccini, Santon, Cabaye, Tiote, Ben Arfa, Guthrie, Jonas, Ba and Cisse at our disposal- all very capable technical players. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrmojorisin75 Posted February 27, 2012 Share Posted February 27, 2012 Calling for Pardew to be replaced Absolute madness, statements like that is why as supporters we get the unfair 'over expectant' reputation we do. Yes, fair enough, we're not playing cvarpet football right now, but did anyone ever expect us to for the entire season? At the end of the day, we're it's results that count and we're sat 6th ffs. Did anyone seriously expect that? I'm as apprehensive as ther next guy as to what the future holds for Pardew and this lot but calls for him to be replaced? Aye, righto. i agree it's too much just now but all the signs are there for the way it's gonna go with pardew like, kid yourself all you want Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Venkman Posted February 27, 2012 Share Posted February 27, 2012 Calling for Pardew to be replaced Absolute madness, statements like that is why as supporters we get the unfair 'over expectant' reputation we do. Yes, fair enough, we're not playing cvarpet football right now, but did anyone ever expect us to for the entire season? At the end of the day, we're it's results that count and we're sat 6th ffs. Did anyone seriously expect that? I'm as apprehensive as ther next guy as to what the future holds for Pardew and this lot but calls for him to be replaced? Aye, righto. i agree it's too much just now but all the signs are there for the way it's gonna go with pardew like, kid yourself all you want in a nutshell, a nut that happens to be correct. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest JS Posted February 27, 2012 Share Posted February 27, 2012 Think he's done OK this season. I cant help but feel that if somebody like Benitez, Deschamps, etc had our team we would be doing better - perhaps not in the points we've gained (And for that we have done extremely well which I don't think many people could possibly argue) but in how we've actually gone about getting these points and the performances to boot. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Howaythetoon Posted February 27, 2012 Share Posted February 27, 2012 He has until the end of the season to get these lads playing a brand of football that will get the best of the players and to help us evolve, if he can't do that in our position, with the players we have and some canny fixtures coming up, I'd like the club to upgrade him for someone who can because if we go into next season with these tactics, our style of football and the likes of Obertan and Ryan Taylor starting every week well not get into the top 6 and our better footballers will be wondering why given their abilities and will start wanting away. Ben Arfa will surely be the first if he continues to watch the likes of R. Taylor start ahead of him and I'm sure Cabaye didn't come here to get a stiff neck looking up at the sky as the ball sails over his head all the time. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wullie Posted February 27, 2012 Share Posted February 27, 2012 Is there no middle ground between "carpet football" and not being totally dominated by a poor Wolves side for the best part of an hour? I'd have settled for the latter on Saturday. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ElDiablo Posted February 27, 2012 Share Posted February 27, 2012 I'm neither criticising or praising Pardew here, but if you think about it with the players we have why should we not be expecting to beat most teams in this mediocre league? We should expect a decent standard of football with the likes of Coloccini, Santon, Cabaye, Tiote, Ben Arfa, Guthrie, Jonas, Ba and Cisse at our disposal- all very capable technical players. We should be expecting to beat more teams than not, but we're not going to do it every time. Shite results and performances are part and parcel of football, and aren't exclusive to just us. Basic concepts of football, here. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrmojorisin75 Posted February 27, 2012 Share Posted February 27, 2012 the other thing for me is "standing still" with pardew...if he persists with his archaic methods and tactics, preferring players like raylor over hba what will end up happening is the gap we just closed between ourselves and the surrounding clubs will open up again if we stick too long, the better players will want to leave and so on hopefully the silver fox proves us all wrong Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Posted February 27, 2012 Share Posted February 27, 2012 Calling for Pardew to be replaced Absolute madness, statements like that is why as supporters we get the unfair 'over expectant' reputation we do. Yes, fair enough, we're not playing cvarpet football right now, but did anyone ever expect us to for the entire season? At the end of the day, we're it's results that count and we're sat 6th ffs. Did anyone seriously expect that? I'm as apprehensive as ther next guy as to what the future holds for Pardew and this lot but calls for him to be replaced? Aye, righto. Where was this? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Venkman Posted February 27, 2012 Share Posted February 27, 2012 the other thing for me is "standing still" with pardew...if he persists with his archaic methods and tactics, preferring players like raylor over hba what will end up happening is the gap we just closed between ourselves and the surrounding clubs will open up again if we stick too long, the better players will want to leave and so on hopefully the silver fox proves us all wrong Exactly, which is why I think how we set out next season will tell us a lot, if we look a bit more progressive I'll applaud him. If we start the season playing as negatively as we are now he needs replacing immediately because we'll only ever stand still at best under a manager like that. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ponsaelius Posted February 27, 2012 Share Posted February 27, 2012 The only person calling for his head as far as I'm aware is HTT and even he's willing to give him to the end of the season. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Howaythetoon Posted February 27, 2012 Share Posted February 27, 2012 the other thing for me is "standing still" with pardew...if he persists with his archaic methods and tactics, preferring players like raylor over hba what will end up happening is the gap we just closed between ourselves and the surrounding clubs will open up again if we stick too long, the better players will want to leave and so on hopefully the silver fox proves us all wrong Great point RE standing still. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ElDiablo Posted February 27, 2012 Share Posted February 27, 2012 It's been insinuated a lot in here, few have said it directly. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Dontooner Posted February 27, 2012 Share Posted February 27, 2012 Actually trying to play good football, don't necessarily deliver you results, but getting it closer to the finish article of playing football will give you alot more control and possession to affect the outcome. Pretty sure someone has bought this up already, the question is can Pardew transform us into such a team. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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