Alan Pardew

[Yorkie]

Roeder did get us into europe after Souness left and was only in charge cos freddy couldn't be arsed to search out a decent candidate in the first place.

 

Too true. The fact that Shepherd only gave him a two-year contract just proved that the board never had full confidence in the guy.

 

And although i'm nit-picking, he got us into the Intertoto Cup - which we failed to exit from. But it was a great turnaround considering the season we'd had up to then.

[Guest BooBoo]

Can anyone recall why Roeder left before the last game of the season. Seemed a bit odd that he wasn't just given that extra game (at Watford iirc)?

[Guest Tyson]

My sides, combining SBR and Pardew's players.

 

433

 

Hughes - Collo*/Distin - Woody - Bernard

Dyer - Tiote - Speed©**

HBA - Shearer***/Cisse - Bellamy/Robert****

 

*Collo just gets the nod over Distin. Distin's versatility (as a reluctant LB) is an asset to have on the bench.

** slightly more defensive minded  midfield balances out the many attacking threats elsewhere. Tiote provides muscle and a robust defensive presence. Speed offers outstanding game-reading quality in defense & one-touch passing (as a first receiver) to initiate counterattacks. Speed also offers a more dangerous presence from set-pieces than Cabaye. Dyer's  attacking instincts provide natural balance in the middle.

*** pre 03/04 Shearer gets the nod as the front three's pillar of strength. Back then he offered enough sideline-to-sideline mobility (and hold-up play) to bring the wide attackers into the game. Post 02/03 Shearer is omitted in a second scenario, in favour of a more mobile front three, with Cisse and Bellamy alternating in that withdrawn role in the L-side channel. **** Robert was occasionally used as withdrawn L-sided forward back in France. Long distance shooting & wild creativity are assets in a system that creates space for the withdrawn forwards. Ideal second option to have, behind Bellamy.

 

 

 

442.

 

Unchanged back 4.

Solano* HBA - Dyer - Speed © - Robert

Shearer** Ba & Bellamy

 

*Solano just gets the nod over HBA. Solano's ability to find space in the box (around the far post) when balls are being pelted in from the left, at pace, is still invaluable. HBA is the right-sided impact sub, and would benefit greatly from having a balanced & overlapping RB to accompany him.

** Same applies to Shearer as per the 433 line-up. This time Ba is the  eventual & mobile replacement. Ba as a ball-carrier when combating an isolated CB through the middle (as Bellamy will drift out wide, looking to create) offers more danger in a one-on-one match-up than Cisse.

[Yorkie]

Can anyone recall why Roeder left before the last game of the season. Seemed a bit odd that he wasn't just given that extra game (at Watford iirc)?

 

Wasn't there a protest outside the ground after that Blackburn/Man City (i forget which) home game that we lost? He did 'resign' after all...

[S.S.R.]

Carr seemed to find something very funny indeed when he came on as a sub in the 0-3 defeat to Liverpool under Allardyce. Prick.

[Guest BooBoo]

I think you're right Yorkie. Just checked the record and I'd forgotten that after beating Liverpool 2-1 at home on 10th Feb we didn't score another home goal in the league that season. Five games including three 0-0 draws.

[Pilko]

Roeder's ineptitude as a full time manager after his successful caretaker spell was one of the most crushingly predictable stories of our recent times. Still incredible that he managed us in the PL.

 

I seem to recall he spent the majority of his nearly full season, constantly complaining about injuries.

 

That's one of the things I like about Pards, very relly does he whine or moan and always tries to focus on positivity, even after poor defeats.

 

Wasn't it just, man. So bloody predictable.

 

He could have reverted to his former role, or even moved on, after the 05/06 season. That way he'd have left as a cult hero; it was a sensational turnaround.

 

Instead he left as a bit of an embarrassment tbh. Shite manager who conducted himself pretty woefully in the press.

 

I'll never forget that rant after the AZ implosion, about failure and not winning trophies being 'stitched into the badge' or something like that. Was so clear at that point he'd completely lost the plot. He should have just resigned after that game, was utterly embarrassing and the mistakes he made during it pretty much summed him up as a (full-time) Newcastle manager. Shite.

[johnnypd]

Can anyone recall why Roeder left before the last game of the season. Seemed a bit odd that he wasn't just given that extra game (at Watford iirc)?

 

because allardyce had quit bolton a few days earlier and that's who shepherd had been after. clear in retrospect that roeder was just a temporary appointment.

[Unbelievable]

Roeder's ineptitude as a full time manager after his successful caretaker spell was one of the most crushingly predictable stories of our recent times. Still incredible that he managed us in the PL.

 

I seem to recall he spent the majority of his nearly full season, constantly complaining about injuries.

 

That's one of the things I like about Pards, very relly does he whine or moan and always tries to focus on positivity, even after poor defeats.

 

Tbf to Roeder, Souness did this more often (with his "Lady Luck" s**** and all that).

 

Also, if I remember correctly we did have an unreal amount of injuries under Roeder.

 

Re: Pardew and not complaining about players missing: he actually refers to this in the LMA interview. Certainly one of his strengths.

[Guest BooBoo]

Pretty unforgivable that he clearly set up his side at Alkmaar to get a 0-0 draw. The fact that we capitulated 0-2 gifting AZ the exact result they needed to knock us out was, again, utterly predictable.

[Unbelievable]

Pretty unforgivable that he clearly set up his side at Alkmaar to get a 0-0 draw. The fact that we capitulated 0-2 gifting AZ the exact result they needed to knock us out was, again, utterly predictable.

 

Possibly so, but if I remember correctly that home match vs AZ Alkmaar was one of the better performances in those horrible years. We played them of the park and should have finished it there and then.

 

Going out to AZ Alkmaar in this way and then to Sporting the year after (?) after being 1-0 up over there and needing them to score 3 (with Dyer coming off injured who was brilliant in that particular match) were very hard to take, as I felt on both occasions that we were in with a shout of actually winning a European cup..

[johnnypd]

Pretty unforgivable that he clearly set up his side at Alkmaar to get a 0-0 draw. The fact that we capitulated 0-2 gifting AZ the exact result they needed to knock us out was, again, utterly predictable.

 

Huntington gave one of the worst NUFC performances i can remember in that match. woefully out of his depth. pisses me off that we should've been out of sight in the first leg but we got sloppy and lazy. a better, more authoritative manager would not have let that happen.

[Guest bimpy474]

Pretty unforgivable that he clearly set up his side at Alkmaar to get a 0-0 draw. The fact that we capitulated 0-2 gifting AZ the exact result they needed to knock us out was, again, utterly predictable.

 

Huntington gave one of the worst NUFC performances i can remember in that match. woefully out of his depth. pisses me off that we should've been out of sight in the first leg but we got sloppy and lazy. a better, more authoritative manager would not have let that happen.

 

Cant even blame the lad, a not good enough young centre back playing LB, just not fair on the boy.

[Pilko]

Pretty unforgivable that he clearly set up his side at Alkmaar to get a 0-0 draw. The fact that we capitulated 0-2 gifting AZ the exact result they needed to knock us out was, again, utterly predictable.

 

Huntington gave one of the worst NUFC performances i can remember in that match. woefully out of his depth. pisses me off that we should've been out of sight in the first leg but we got sloppy and lazy. a better, more authoritative manager would not have let that happen.

 

In fairness to Huntington, he only played at left-back that night because Carr ducked out at the eleventh hour and allowed the lad to be completely hung out to dry. I remember he got 2/10 in the Chronicle the next day which was harsh as fuck considering the likes of Bramble and Dyer got 6 and 7 out of 10.

[DJ_NUFC]

Worms are out from the can.

 

Souness was worse than Roeder. But then Roeder's fulltime campaign seemed to have mirrored Souness'

[Guest BooBoo]

Pretty unforgivable that he clearly set up his side at Alkmaar to get a 0-0 draw. The fact that we capitulated 0-2 gifting AZ the exact result they needed to knock us out was, again, utterly predictable.

 

Huntington gave one of the worst NUFC performances i can remember in that match. woefully out of his depth. pisses me off that we should've been out of sight in the first leg but we got sloppy and lazy. a better, more authoritative manager would not have let that happen.

 

It brutally signalled the end of that lad's career at the top level.

[David Icke - Son of God]

I still have a small soft spot for Roeder. He's was diabolical once given the job full time (his stint as caretaker was brilliant though, simply because it vindicated everyone who had been abusing Souness) but I was so used to us being shit by that stage I was more or less immune to watching us plod through the season to our then regular bottom half finish. I suppose the fact he talked about himself in the third person (among other mental traits), shook the hand of a pitch invading Mackem during the 4-1 and didn't slag the club off upon his departure marks him out as one of the more tolerable managers we have had in recent times. I certainly won't get into an argument with those that hate him though, because I can understand why.

 

As for Carr he was utter shite. He'd had one stonking season at Spurs a few years earlier and his career had been on the wane ever since. My two main memories of him are backing off Timothy Atouba against Spurs, letting him push further and further into our half eventually allowing him to score and, along with Parker, swearing at the supporters during the defeat to Sheffield United. To be fair to Carr he apologised for that. Scotty Lionheart didn't though.

[Guest BooBoo]

Regarding Roeder's caretaker stint, I imagine our surge of good form was just riding a huge wave of relief that Souness had gone. The players seemed to be enjoying themselves and the fans were just buzzing that the nightmare Souey era had ended.

 

It was clear that once that euphoria had worn off, that Roeder's weaknesses as a manager would become apparent as he tried to exert his own influence on a mediocre squad.

[David Icke - Son of God]

Pretty unforgivable that he clearly set up his side at Alkmaar to get a 0-0 draw. The fact that we capitulated 0-2 gifting AZ the exact result they needed to knock us out was, again, utterly predictable.

 

Huntington gave one of the worst NUFC performances i can remember in that match. woefully out of his depth. pisses me off that we should've been out of sight in the first leg but we got sloppy and lazy. a better, more authoritative manager would not have let that happen.

 

It brutally signalled the end of that lad's career at the top level.

 

He should've never had one in the first place.

 

Some of the backlines we put out around this period are genuinely frightening to look at. By rights we should've got relegated with the likes of Huntington, Ramage, Babayaro, Bramble, Moore and Edgar pushing for starts.

[Guest BooBoo]

It was a relegation squad but we had unexpected goals from Sibierski and to be fair, Oba had his moments.

 

As a squad, I would say it was weaker than the relegation squad, but the chaos surrounding the 08/09 season sunk that team. If KK had stayed, that squad could have finished top half.

[Pilko]

Regarding Roeder's caretaker stint, I imagine our surge of good form was just riding a huge wave of relief that Souness had gone. The players seemed to be enjoying themselves and the fans were just buzzing that the nightmare Souey era had ended.

 

It was clear that once that euphoria had worn off, that Roeder's weaknesses as a manager would become apparent as he tried to exert his own influence on a mediocre squad.

 

Some of the performances under Roeder were fucking dirge. I remember a 1-0 defeat at Reading where he finally got to play Owen (and the returning Shola), having harped on about the unavailability of the pair of them since the opening weeks of the season, and we looked promptly worse than when they weren't playing, which is saying a lot. Can remember Steven Taylor's shot into Row Z from 35 yards and a blatantly offside Owen goal being all we created in 90 minutes. Was totally fed up by then.

[David Icke - Son of God]

Regarding Roeder's caretaker stint, I imagine our surge of good form was just riding a huge wave of relief that Souness had gone. The players seemed to be enjoying themselves and the fans were just buzzing that the nightmare Souey era had ended.

 

It was clear that once that euphoria had worn off, that Roeder's weaknesses as a manager would become apparent as he tried to exert his own influence on a mediocre squad.

 

Some of the performances under Roeder were fucking dirge. I remember a 1-0 defeat at Reading where he finally got to play Owen (and the returning Shola), having harped on about the unavailability of the pair of them since the opening weeks of the season, and we looked probably worse than when they weren't playing. Can remember Steven Taylor's shot into Row Z from 35 yards and a blatantly offside Owen goal being all we created in 90 minutes. Was totally fed up by then.

 

I remember the Sky cameras panning onto our dugout to see Roeder and Terry Mac slumped right down in their seats, arms crossed looking complete devoid of ideas. A pretty telling image

[Guest BooBoo]

Monday night game? Yep was pretty shit.

[The College Dropout]

Worms are out from the can.

 

Souness was worse than Roeder. But then Roeder's fulltime campaign seemed to have mirrored Souness'

Souness ruined a very good squad. Ruined. Everyone else just fought amongst the debris.

[Guest BlacknWhiteArmy]

Regarding Roeder's caretaker stint, I imagine our surge of good form was just riding a huge wave of relief that Souness had gone. The players seemed to be enjoying themselves and the fans were just buzzing that the nightmare Souey era had ended.

 

It was clear that once that euphoria had worn off, that Roeder's weaknesses as a manager would become apparent as he tried to exert his own influence on a mediocre squad.

 

Some of the performances under Roeder were fucking dirge. I remember a 1-0 defeat at Reading where he finally got to play Owen (and the returning Shola), having harped on about the unavailability of the pair of them since the opening weeks of the season, and we looked promptly worse than when they weren't playing, which is saying a lot. Can remember Steven Taylor's shot into Row Z from 35 yards and a blatantly offside Owen goal being all we created in 90 minutes. Was totally fed up by then.

 

Was awful that. We played some bizzare diamond formation with Sibierski in the hole.